Ace vs. McD

[Knockout_Power]

Franklin and McDonald, how are you guys calling this. Ive been watching McDonald train the last couple weeks and I honestly dont think he is fast enough for "the old" Rich Franklin. That being said, if the Franklin of UFC 64 shows, its going to be a long fight. Funny how Leben was the previous oppenent to Silva just before beating Rich, hopefully history doesnt repeat itself.

Rich being one of my 2 favorite fighters (GSP being the other) Ive been catching nothing but shit about the last fight and a lot of fellow Edmontonians are calling a McDonald win for the hometown fans. I put $500 up to any of them, friend or not, that Franklin takes it. So far only 1 person agreed.

Anyways, Im calling 1st rd knockout by straight left hand up the middle like Quary around the 4 minute mark... Ive been wrong before, but whats on everyone else's mind?

[sooners04]

I agree, Franklin will win, KO. McDonald looked good against Herman and Leben but I have never been impressed with either of those two guys. McDonald is solid but his nickname alone should be enough for him to lose. Rich is on another level. Dispite the Silva loss that Rich was definately not prepared for, Rich is still the man in that class.

[MuscleScience]

Did you guys ever see any of Franklins fights when he was in college. The man was scary good. I cant see why franklin wouldnt cancel the fight or postpone it. His hand was still jacked from the David Louisou, or how ever you spell his name fight. I cant see silvia being better than the Crow honestly. But I have only seen him fight a few times were I have seen the crow fight alot.

[Knockout_Power]

I cant see silvia being better than the Crow honestly. But I have only seen him fight a few times were I have seen the crow fight alot.

Funny you mention this. We were sitting around last weekend talking about fights we wanted to see and I brought up that matchup. L'oiseau would be deadly on the inside, but I think Silva would be much better from distance and obviously on the ground

[MuscleScience]

I agree with you there, L,oiseau has a tendency to give up his back. I know he uses it to catch opponents sometimes with that spin out move he does. But one day someone will choke him out.

[MuscleScience]

It still amazes me that franklin was able to beat L'oiseau with a broken hand.

[Knockout_Power]

Didnt UFC drop Davids contract? Couple losses and bybye

[Knockout_Power]

It still amazes me that franklin was able to beat L'oiseau with a broken hand.

Not hard to protect a broken hand when your opponent is running away for the last 3 rounds. David did catch Rich with a solid right hand that put him down, but didnt capitalize.

[Quil]

I think Rich takes this as well. He's had a long layoff after the Silva fight to stew over that ass beating he took...I's say he will be in top form and win convincingly.

[$$TML 4 LIFE$$]

I say Rich takes it 2nd round tko....Ive been surprised how many people have called Jason Mcdonald to beat Franklin by sumbmission. He beat Leben who hasnt impressed me and ed herman....who i absolutly hate. Rich has got this 1 altho n e thing can happen.

[Hunter]

This is an easy win for franklin. A guy to crush to help get his confidence back.

[QuieTSToRM33]

I could see this fight going either way ... Franklin by KO or McDonald by submission

But ... I'm gonna go ahead and say Rich "Ace" Franklin via 1st round KO.

[test_cyp]

I like Franklin, but I think McDonald will take this one. He looks hungry and his cardio has been impressive. Rich is a great fighter, but he seems to be off in space something thinking of xyience drinks.

[thekaydense]

I like Franklin, but I think McDonald will take this one. He looks hungry and his cardio has been impressive. Rich is a great fighter, but he seems to be off in space something thinking of xyience drinks.

i agree. i feel franklin was the epitome of a paper champ.

[$$TML 4 LIFE$$]

Its weird after one brutal loss 2 silva, so many lost confidence in ace. When before that loss he was tearing through every 1

[test_cyp]

I've never really been impressed with Franklin.

[sonar1234]

Ace got one hell of a beating last time so either he is very hungry when he comes back or is still shook up by that huge lost.

Mcdonald i seen him fight many times and he is an athlete, this is going to be a very good fight.

I still think that Ace is going to win but its not going to be easy for him.

[Quil]

Its weird after one brutal loss 2 silva, so many lost confidence in ace. When before that loss he was tearing through every 1

I agree...before he lost, everyone was saying he was on par with or better than Hendo. Now people talk like he is some POS and should retire. This guy DISMANTLED Evan Tanner and David Loiseau, not to mention several highlight reel knockouts. Rich will be back with a vengance, starting Saturday...

[test_cyp]

Dayum, I was wrong as well. McDonald looked one dimensional and lost heart after he got hit in the mouth.

[Hunter]

i agree. i feel franklin was the epitome of a paper champ.

You obviously have no idea what a paper champion is.

A)Some one that loses there belt and does not gain it back via a fight i.e Hughes when he lost his belt to BJ
B)Some one who does not fight the best competition or backs out of a difficult fight i.e Ortiz.

Rich falls into neither of these classes.

[thekaydense]

You obviously have no idea what a paper champion is.

A)Some one that loses there belt and does not gain it back via a fight i.e Hughes when he lost his belt to BJ
B)Some one who does not fight the best competition or backs out of a difficult fight i.e Ortiz.

Rich falls into neither of these classes.

oh really?

paper champ is a variation of the chinease phrase paper tiger.

"Paper tiger is a literal English translation of the Chinese phrase zhǐ lǎohǔ (Chinese: 紙老虎), meaning something which seems as threatening as a tiger, but is really harmless."

and the american definition of paper champion "A variation of the phrase is paper champion, referring to a sports team or player who is heavily favored to win a title but succumbs to a superior opponent."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_tiger

[Quil]

And that applies to Rich Franklin how?

He was never "heavily favored to win" against Silva; in fact, most thought he had a good chance of losing that fight, albeit not in the fashion that he did.

I guess him destroying Evan Tanner to win the title means nothing to you...

[Hunter]

oh really?

paper champ is a variation of the chinease phrase paper tiger.

"Paper tiger is a literal English translation of the Chinese phrase zhǐ lǎohǔ (Chinese: 紙老虎), meaning something which seems as threatening as a tiger, but is really harmless."

and the american definition of paper champion "A variation of the phrase is paper champion, referring to a sports team or player who is heavily favored to win a title but succumbs to a superior opponent."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_tiger

First of all 90% of the united states would agree with my deffinations of a paper champion. Rich was not heavily favored against silva, he has faced the best competition the ufc could give him. He destroyed evan tanner twice. He pounded on a very game David L. Who was actually not far behind on the betting lines. Hang around the fight game awhile and actually learn the terms as they are used by most fighters and fans. Instead of going on wikipedia, your probably one of the few people that actually believes Franklin was a paper champion.

[Hunter]

oh really?

paper champ is a variation of the chinease phrase paper tiger.

"Paper tiger is a literal English translation of the Chinese phrase zhǐ lǎohǔ (Chinese: 紙老虎), meaning something which seems as threatening as a tiger, but is really harmless."

and the american definition of paper champion "A variation of the phrase is paper champion, referring to a sports team or player who is heavily favored to win a title but succumbs to a superior opponent."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_tiger

First of all 90% of the united states would agree with my deffinations of a paper champion. Rich was not heavily favored against silva, he has faced the best competition the ufc could give him. He destroyed evan tanner twice. He pounded on a very game David L. Who was actually not far behind on the betting lines. Hang around the fight game awhile and actually learn the terms as they are used by most fighters and fans. Instead of going on wikipedia, your probably one of the few people that actually believes Franklin was a paper champion.

[thekaydense]

First of all 90% of the united states would agree with my deffinations of a paper champion. Rich was not heavily favored against silva, he has faced the best competition the ufc could give him. He destroyed evan tanner twice. He pounded on a very game David L. Who was actually not far behind on the betting lines. Hang around the fight game awhile and actually learn the terms as they are used by most fighters and fans. Instead of going on wikipedia, your probably one of the few people that actually believes Franklin was a paper champion.

i dont give a shit what 90% of the US believes the word means. i KNEW what the word meant before i quoted wikipedia. ive been around the fight world since the early 90's, i think im good. Rich Franklin looked tough on the outside. everyone sucked his dick. he was UFC's poster child cause his good looks and he was a school teacher. Problem is, he never faced very many formidable opponent and he isnt very good. David L sucks nuts, evan tanner is very talented but was a party animal who never trained. (watch his comeback though.)

ps please dont call his win against shamrock anything, ken is a legend but worthless now. (fight looked fixed anyways.)

[Knockout_Power]

i dont give a shit what 90% of the US believes the word means. i KNEW what the word meant before i quoted wikipedia. ive been around the fight world since the early 90's, i think im good. Rich Franklin looked tough on the outside. everyone sucked his dick. he was UFC's poster child cause his good looks and he was a school teacher. Problem is, he never faced very many formidable opponent and he isnt very good. David L sucks nuts, evan tanner is very talented but was a party animal who never trained. (watch his comeback though.)

ps please dont call his win against shamrock anything, ken is a legend but worthless now. (fight looked fixed anyways.)

I really wanted to stay out of this one but I was compelled to change my mind. Franklin ran through the UFC with relative ease. Not to say he didnt learn a lot on the way through, but besides getting knocked down by tanner, and L'oiseau during mental lapses, I dont believe anyone actually came close to beating him.

Franklin will not admit to being in rough physical shape prior to the Silva fight, but anyone who looked at him before the match started could see he was dehydrated and lacking his usual energy. This is by no means an excuse, a fighter is expected to report for duty as is anyone else being paid for a job.

The reason it looked like such a brutal loss is because Franklin will not run away (a la David l'oiseau). He is coming at you with what he has and expects you to bring what you got. His mistake was trying to get into the inside and as he even stated after the fight " I was not expecting him to be that strong in the clinch". Franklin is a very confident fighter who, through very hard training, usually proves to be the dominant fighter in many aspects of his fights whether on the ground, in the clinch or stand up. Its natural for a confident fighter to press the action which has been his style since day 1.

If it had been almost any other fighter, the first knee would have put him down, it looked so bad because Franklin has the pain thresh-hold of a dead cat and took several more knee's, couple glancing punches and 3 more kicks.

This is by no means me defending his loss, but as has been stated by many other people, one loss means you are worthless in the sport and should retire. Hypothetically speaking, if he avenges with a win over Silva, does this mean Silva is now the paper champ and not worthy of his fighting contract as well?

Sorry for the novel, its just my 2 cents and I know that and a quarter still only gets you a phone call.

[thekaydense]

I really wanted to stay out of this one but I was compelled to change my mind. Franklin ran through the UFC with relative ease. Not to say he didnt learn a lot on the way through, but besides getting knocked down by tanner, and L'oiseau during mental lapses, I dont believe anyone actually came close to beating him.

Franklin will not admit to being in rough physical shape prior to the Silva fight, but anyone who looked at him before the match started could see he was dehydrated and lacking his usual energy. This is by no means an excuse, a fighter is expected to report for duty as is anyone else being paid for a job.

The reason it looked like such a brutal loss is because Franklin will not run away (a la David l'oiseau). He is coming at you with what he has and expects you to bring what you got. His mistake was trying to get into the inside and as he even stated after the fight " I was not expecting him to be that strong in the clinch". Franklin is a very confident fighter who, through very hard training, usually proves to be the dominant fighter in many aspects of his fights whether on the ground, in the clinch or stand up. Its natural for a confident fighter to press the action which has been his style since day 1.

If it had been almost any other fighter, the first knee would have put him down, it looked so bad because Franklin has the pain thresh-hold of a dead cat and took several more knee's, couple glancing punches and 3 more kicks.

This is by no means me defending his loss, but as has been stated by many other people, one loss means you are worthless in the sport and should retire. Hypothetically speaking, if he avenges with a win over Silva, does this mean Silva is now the paper champ and not worthy of his fighting contract as well?

Sorry for the novel, its just my 2 cents and I know that and a quarter still only gets you a phone call.

i think the xyience commercials have been getting to you man.

franklin barely fought anyone in the UFC. a washed up senior citizen in shamrock (which looked staged lol if you see the retarded "slip"). A inexperience nathan quarry, an out of shape drunk evan tanner. over rated loiseau (if you saw the last eliteXC event you know waht i mean.) The otheres were scattered and non of them were formidable competitors. this usually fits a paper champ theses days. they are fed cans, which he was. as soon as decent competition came along (silva) he got destroyed. if he comes back, great. ill be the first to admit he wasnt a paper champ and the loss was a fluke, but i doubt that will happen.