Reason i dont want to go back in TKD

[sonar1234]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk7O8ELJDvU

Now if there could only be a muay thai school opening near my house.

[godkilla]

nice vid

[Humanimal]

Taekwondo translated = take white dough.

[Patches24]

That's one of the things I love about MMA, it makes people realize that some of the stuff like karate and tkd doesn't teach much about real fighting.

[sonar1234]

That's one of the things I love about MMA, it makes people realize that some of the stuff like karate and tkd doesn't teach much about real fighting.

TKD did not evolve at all and its quit sad, i did tkd for 7 years and its really cool to do.

Kyokushin karate has evolved and is very effective in street fighting.

[Gettin Big]

i hate getting into the style arguement, but one thing is for sure in that match, the TKD guy for one thing is ITF, they dont fight full contact, they do semi contact point fighting, i am a master in WTF Taekwondo which is full contact 3 rounds, but no punching to the face, so to step in the ring with a seasoned muay thai fighter as a tkd fighter and to fight with muay thai rules the TKD fighter will probably get killed, but fight under TKD rules, then i believe the tkd fighter will prevail. I crosstrain my students with boxing and then you have a well rounded stand up fighter because WTF taekwondo has superb kicks and footwork, so put that together with some boxing skills and you have a guy that can go toe to toe with a muay thai fighter. That Taekwondo fighter was making some very serious mistakes like attacking with a back spin kick, thats a huge nono, that kick is a counter kick or a follow up kick, its to easy to get countered when using it as a single attack. Also that guy had no counter skills at all he just threw one attack and stopped, he wasnt a very skilled TKD fighter, so guys in my opinion, that fight was lopsided not by the styles but by the difference in the fighters skills.

[Patches24]

i hate getting into the style arguement, but one thing is for sure in that match, the TKD guy for one thing is ITF, they dont fight full contact, they do semi contact point fighting, i am a master in WTF Taekwondo which is full contact 3 rounds, but no punching to the face, so to step in the ring with a seasoned muay thai fighter as a tkd fighter and to fight with muay thai rules the TKD fighter will probably get killed, but fight under TKD rules, then i believe the tkd fighter will prevail. I crosstrain my students with boxing and then you have a well rounded stand up fighter because WTF taekwondo has superb kicks and footwork, so put that together with some boxing skills and you have a guy that can go toe to toe with a muay thai fighter. That Taekwondo fighter was making some very serious mistakes like attacking with a back spin kick, thats a huge nono, that kick is a counter kick or a follow up kick, its to easy to get countered when using it as a single attack. Also that guy had no counter skills at all he just threw one attack and stopped, he wasnt a very skilled TKD fighter, so guys in my opinion, that fight was lopsided not by the styles but by the difference in the fighters skills.

Interesting I had no idea there's more than one type of Tae Kwon Do.

[Alfamale]

Im a blackbelt in WTF Tkd and have over 70 wins. I quit 9 years ago and start train Muay Thai. I have fight alot and i am sure that my kicks is probably better then most of thai fighters because i mixed the tecnique from both styles. An other advantege i have in Muaythai fights is that i still use Tkd kicks like spinning backkick and axekicks.
But in a streetfight a pure Muay thai fighter will get hes ass kicked against a good grappler, takedown ground and pound is very effective.
If you wanna be a good fighter i recommend that you have both a good groundgame and are a good standup fighter.

Peace

[sonar1234]

Yeah i was in WTF myself for 7 years it does rock, the fact that you mix boxing with TKD is even better, i would probably go back if there where more punching technics.

ITF really sucks has TKD, they got killed each time they fought in our open competition.

[Gettin Big]

Im a blackbelt in WTF Tkd and have over 70 wins. I quit 9 years ago and start train Muay Thai. I have fight alot and i am sure that my kicks is probably better then most of thai fighters because i mixed the tecnique from both styles. An other advantege i have in Muaythai fights is that i still use Tkd kicks like spinning backkick and axekicks.
But in a streetfight a pure Muay thai fighter will get hes ass kicked against a good grappler, takedown ground and pound is very effective.
If you wanna be a good fighter i recommend that you have both a good groundgame and are a good standup fighter.

Peace

I agree 100%, these days you need to be well rounded, that means stand up and ground work, TKD is mostly a kicking sport, thats why they have such great kicks is because thats what they train most, boxing is all punching thats why they have superior punching skills>>>>so put an elite TKD guy and give him some good boxing skills so that he becomes elite in boxing and you will have a stand up fighter that could hold his own against any kickboxer or muay thai guy...NOW throw in some bjj, judo or some other grappling style and woila you have a well rounded fighter who can do it all. My main point im trying to make is dont judge a style because you see a video of a guy in one style beating another guy in another style. theres alot of variables besides what style the guy trains under, just my 2 cents worth

[zimmy]

I don't judge the style based on a video... i judge TKD because those kicks are some of the softest kicks i have ever seen. Not just in the video, but in general. I don't understand a fighting style that teaches kicking w/o putting your hips into it. Or doing unnecessary spin moves that produce more show than power and leave you off balance and open for attack.

But as an art... it is cool. I put it up there with Capoira.

[Alfamale]

I think your wrong Zimmy regarding that a TKD fighter cant kick hard. We had a regional competition on who kicked hardest on a sandbag, they mesured the the force in G. I kicked hardest and a heavyweight Tkd guy ended up second place. In Tkd competitions the dont kick hard because they need to to get points, its the speed and frequenzy that matters.
But still the Tkd is more simular to fencing than to other fullcontact martial arts.

[Gettin Big]

I don't judge the style based on a video... i judge TKD because those kicks are some of the softest kicks i have ever seen. Not just in the video, but in general. I don't understand a fighting style that teaches kicking w/o putting your hips into it. Or doing unnecessary spin moves that produce more show than power and leave you off balance and open for attack.

But as an art... it is cool. I put it up there with Capoira.

Not quite sure what TKD your watching, but I have been training for 20 plus years in TKD and we were always taught to use our hips for power in our kicks, and have you seen david crow fight? he has knocked more than one person out with a spin back kick in mma fights....hmmmm wonder if they were unneccesary spinning moves??? btw david crow started out in TKD so I know he uses tkd kicks in mma

[zimmy]

difference of opinion... anytime you risk balance or leaving yourself open for a kick (even spinning back kick) in lou of a solid regular kcik just hoping to surprise someone ... well to me is just not very smart. But to each his own.

And any art that doesn't teach people fundamentals of kicking (IE pick your damned hands up when you kick) will always loose my respect.

P.S. YOu can't use your hips when you kick AND kick 30 times in 20 seconds like the fly boys do.

[sonar1234]

Zimmy , depending on what you seen you havent been to a TKD competition, there are a lot of knockouts in TKD competition and even in the sparring in the class.

TKD kicks can be very lethal but when you are in close range thats where TKD fails miserably

[sonar1234]

David The Crow Loiseau did have success but is few last fight where really bad, is last fight against Villasinior he looked like a total biggener.

[Gettin Big]

difference of opinion... anytime you risk balance or leaving yourself open for a kick (even spinning back kick) in lou of a solid regular kcik just hoping to surprise someone ... well to me is just not very smart. But to each his own.

And any art that doesn't teach people fundamentals of kicking (IE pick your damned hands up when you kick) will always loose my respect.

P.S. YOu can't use your hips when you kick AND kick 30 times in 20 seconds like the fly boys do.

Zimmy my respect to you but your right we do have a difference in opinion. A good smart TKD fighter doesn't go off balance when they throw a kick, even with spin kicks and 360's we are on balance. I have no idea of your experience but obviousely you are not seeing good elite TKD. I am 36 years old and have been in Martial Arts for 24 years and in TKD for 20 and just became a Master when I tested for my 5th Dan Black Belt and I have respect for most of the Martial Arts, my passion just happens to lie with TKD. As for you saying that TKD has no power kicks tells me for sure that you haven't seen the TKD that I have. When we train in TKD there are alot of areas we work on ie: speed, power, footwork, flexibility etc. etc. if someone is kicking 30 kicks in 20 seconds then they are training speed, and if someone only uses speed kicks when they spar then they are not well rounded and probably not very experienced. We have a speed drill in my school that we use, we kick a kick pad that is held waist height and we kick it using alternate legs, we do this drill for 60 seconds, I have the record in my school with 176 kicks in 60 seconds, and my best student has 172 kicks in 60 seconds, this drill isnt to create power but to train our fast twitch muscle fibres and to increase our anerobic conditioning, we also do power kick drills to build power shots obviousely etc.I tell my students to always finish a kicking combination with a power shot, so if we attack with a 5 kick combination, the first 3 kicks may be just speed kicks to set up a power shot, I compare those speed kicks to a boxers jab, a boxers jab is not a power shot it's a speed shot to keep a fighters distance or to set up a power shot. You rarely if ever see a boxer get knocked out by a jab, and if you seen a boxer work on his jab hopefully you dont walk away and say "i dont like boxing because they dont use their hips when they punch, I have no respect for a punching style that punches 80 times in 20 seconds, they have no power in their punches", if you have seen the TKD I have seen you would never say that TKD doesnt use hips when they kick and that they don't have powerful kicks!! I have been to numerous Canadian and U.S. National Championships and have been to the largest International tournament in the world...the U.S. Open which was held in Orlando this year and you always see major knockouts where people are taken to the hospital on stretchers, this happens because they get kicked with a powershot.

[zimmy]

yah...one of the guys i train with has a american TKD school and has power... i guess i'm generalizeing with the mcDOJO's and there black belt in 2 years programs. But if you have been in it as long as you have then you were in it before the belt hand outs started. Just like bJJ started giving blacks out pretty fast.

[sonar1234]

I seen worst black belt in less then a year and a half.

[Gettin Big]

I seen worst black belt in less then a year and a half.

it took me 4 years of training 6 days a week to get my first dan black belt, i tell my students expect a black belt in 3-5 years depending on how much you train and how skilled you are. I also tell my students that if they think a black belt is an expert then they are watching too many bruce lee movies. I tell my students that when you receive your 1st Dan, you have just learnt the alphabet, now were going to teach you how to read and write, really a black belt is still just a beginner, they have only learnt the basics, now it will take years to master the basics, and once you get your 3rd dan you should start to be considered an expert.

[sonar1234]

Gettin Big i would surely enjoy training TKD with you then.

With the added boxing techics i am pertty sure it would not be the same TKD i practiced even if it was WTF

[Thin_Ice_]

O.K., the MT guy sucks, and the TKD guy is even worse. Watching these guys paw at each other like kittens would be funny if it weren't so depressing.

I'm a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, and in my academy, we were taught to get power from the hips. I can do a side kick concrete break on either leg, and I can do a board break with Bruce Lee's famous 2-inch punch, and some other nifty breaks, in addition to all the breaks I had to do to achieve black belt status, so I have no idea why these guys' strikes are so weak.

We were also taught to keep our hands up in guard position, and retract our leg quickly after a kick so it can't be grabbed so easily. My only real criticism of TKD in general is its use of counterproductive high kicks and fancy (useless) acrobatic kicks - but the intelligent TKD practicioner will keep those kicks for sparring to build flexibility and balance, while using the more practical moves on the street. Like many martial artists will tell you - it's not the martial art itself, it's the fighter and skill level.

[zimmy]

that sucks... he was banned.. good post

[sonar1234]

Why was he banned?

[UrRoyalHighness]

I am a black belt in TKD.. I trained for 15 years total.. I did ITF for the first eight then moved to Arizona and switched to WTF.. I kind of believe that TKD is not a art you should not consider in MMA fighting.. TKD is awesome if you like the tournament scene and getting medals and trophies.. but thats my opinion..

[sonar1234]

I am a black belt in TKD.. I trained for 15 years total.. I did ITF for the first eight then moved to Arizona and switched to WTF.. I kind of believe that TKD is not a art you should not consider in MMA fighting.. TKD is awesome if you like the tournament scene and getting medals and trophies.. but thats my opinion..

Remove the flashy kicks, keep the push kick, drop kick and the most lethal of them all the counter back kick.

No other art has the counter back kick, well timed and add a jump is a sure knockout with broken ribs.

I did TKD for 7 years WTF and plan to get back into Kyokushin karate real soon, i wont put my TKD training behind and think it can give me a serious edge in Kyokushin competition

[jbarkley]

i hate getting into the style arguement, but one thing is for sure in that match, the TKD guy for one thing is ITF, they dont fight full contact, they do semi contact point fighting, i am a master in WTF Taekwondo which is full contact 3 rounds, but no punching to the face, so to step in the ring with a seasoned muay thai fighter as a tkd fighter and to fight with muay thai rules the TKD fighter will probably get killed, but fight under TKD rules, then i believe the tkd fighter will prevail. I crosstrain my students with boxing and then you have a well rounded stand up fighter because WTF taekwondo has superb kicks and footwork, so put that together with some boxing skills and you have a guy that can go toe to toe with a muay thai fighter. That Taekwondo fighter was making some very serious mistakes like attacking with a back spin kick, thats a huge nono, that kick is a counter kick or a follow up kick, its to easy to get countered when using it as a single attack. Also that guy had no counter skills at all he just threw one attack and stopped, he wasnt a very skilled TKD fighter, so guys in my opinion, that fight was lopsided not by the styles but by the difference in the fighters skills.

On the flip side of that, I was spent some time training with some tkd guys and not being able to punch to the face really fowled me up, so when playing be those rules, I really needed to adjust my fighting and ended up doing poorly...I just couldn't break the habit of striking to the face with my hands...BTW, these guys new how to throw kicks, we were required to wear body armor in some training drills and when I got kicked there was no question of the power they were transmitting.....