got my ass kicked today...

[number twelve]

i just thought you guys might get a kick out of this...i have been training muay thai and BJJ for a lil while now, been progressing pretty well. as i know the only way to get better is to fight someone better than you are. well today i sparred with a guy who is 6'3" 270. i am 5'10" 190. i handle myself pretty well against ppl of similar size to me. my good strength to weight ratio really comes in handy on the ground...well lets just say i learned the hard way today about going toe to toe with large ppl. no head gear, just grappling gloves and mouth piece. i had so much trouble dealing with his reach advantage. as you can see by the pic, i caught a few bombs right to my left eye. i had trouble penetrating, he was spraying me with the jab and then as i tried to parray/side step it one time i left my self open and walked into a right. and then it happened again a few minutes later lol i have been icing it alot so my nose/eye isnt nearly as swollen now as it was then. im also including a pic of what i normally look like so you can all compare...
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[zimmy]

not bashing you man

but that's really not gonna help you any
going against a guy who is that much bigger... he's gonna be slower and shouldn't have been that much of a problem for ya other than reach.

And you DEFINATELY shouldn't spar w/o headgear when you aren't pulling your punches...

[number twelve]

thanks for the reply bro
well #1 he is a much better more experienced fighter than i am. #2 i liked the fact that he is bigger because i am a bouncer (he is the head of security at the bar i work at) and i figure i will eventually get into a situation where i need to stand off against a person much bigger than i am. so i felt like the experience was useful.

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[number twelve]

i definately agree with your about the headgear

[1819]

thanks for the reply bro
well #1 he is a much better more experienced fighter than i am. #2 i liked the fact that he is bigger because i am a bouncer (he is the head of security at the bar i work at) and i figure i will eventually get into a situation where i need to stand off against a person much bigger than i am. so i felt like the experience was useful.

-12

yea definitly aviod those kind of workouts. nothing good to come out of that except injury. i hope that you are training for other reasons than bouncing at a bar. roadhouse was a movie. smaller guys use their radios not muay thai. if you are serious about your training then yes it is definitly ok to work out with a better more experienced fighter. working out with a bigger guy is ok too just not that much bigger.

[Dude-Man]

There's a rule in boxing that i've been told never, ever to break.. don't spar with anyone more than 1 weight class above you without headgear for any reason.

[number twelve]

yea definitly aviod those kind of workouts. nothing good to come out of that except injury. i hope that you are training for other reasons than bouncing at a bar. roadhouse was a movie. smaller guys use their radios not muay thai. if you are serious about your training then yes it is definitly ok to work out with a better more experienced fighter. working out with a bigger guy is ok too just not that much bigger.

haha im definately not trying to be like patrick swayze. i love training regardless. i said i do security to give more background to my situation and how it happened.

[darr]

use to box when i was 4 year younger i maid the most stupidest mistake i spared the bigest guy in my club without head gear he caught me with a devastateing left hook resulting to that it detached the retna in my right eye ihave about 20% vision in that eye.cant box any more because of it but i still train.so think about that before ya spar or fight wit out head gear.no12.

[simm]

use to box when i was 4 year younger i maid the most stupidest mistake i spared the bigest guy in my club without head gear he caught me with a devastateing left hook resulting to that it detached the retna in my right eye ihave about 20% vision in that eye.cant box any more because of it but i still train.so think about that before ya spar or fight wit out head gear.no12.

Sorry to hear that bro.....

[Box This*]

There's a rule in boxing that i've been told never, ever to break.. don't spar with anyone more than 1 weight class above you without headgear for any reason.

Bit of sence.

Always use as much support as you can headgear wear a vest and make sure there using decent spaing gloves.

i went a few rounds with this kid back 4-5 years ago and every time he jabbed me i thought wow stay away from this kid.

It turned out his gloves were about 3 years old and all the insides had spread apart and he was practicaly hitting me with 3oz\ gloves on.

Never again..i always check now.

[sonar1234]

not bashing you man

but that's really not gonna help you any
going against a guy who is that much bigger... he's gonna be slower and shouldn't have been that much of a problem for ya other than reach.

And you DEFINATELY shouldn't spar w/o headgear when you aren't pulling your punches...

Bigger doesnt mean slower, in most case it does but i seen some very big guys be very fast has well.

For the headgear i agree with you that can be very dangerous when i was sparring in Kyokushin i weighted 142 pounds and fought against 200-250 pound guys i got knocked out crazy most of the time being kicked to the head and body.

Theses guys where big and very fast.

[KAEW44]

The rules of safe and beneficial sparring"

Mouthpiece + Headgear + Vaseline + Groincup + BOXING gloves + Shin Guards

Sparring with grappling gloves will only get you hurt, you dont get tougher when u get hit in the head.

[weeman001]

maybe you should train with someone smaller and faster... like me! unless your scared?? haha

[nyjetsfan86]

stop acting like a tough guy weeman

[Hellmaskbanned]

not bashing you man

but that's really not gonna help you any
going against a guy who is that much bigger... he's gonna be slower and shouldn't have been that much of a problem for ya other than reach.

And you DEFINATELY shouldn't spar w/o headgear when you aren't pulling your punches...

What makes you think he's "gonna be slower"?

I'm around that size and am at my fastest/quickest shape ever.

Just because someone is big doesn't mean he's gonna be slower than someone small.

[zimmy]

there are always exception...but the usual is with size comes a certain slowness. If you think you are quicker at a heavier weight than a well trained person at a lighter weight... then good for you... if you are faster than the smaller guys at your gym ... then you one of the exceptions or i'd like to stress the previous phrase "well trained"

[Hellmaskbanned]

there are always exception...but the usual is with size comes a certain slowness. If you think you are quicker at a heavier weight than a well trained person at a lighter weight... then good for you... if you are faster than the smaller guys at your gym ... then you one of the exceptions or i'd like to stress the previous phrase "well trained"

Your right though, not many large/athletic guys around.
Most are slow/uncoordinated etc.
Just like theres lots of slow smaller guys to.
just depends on how athletic, and trained you are like u said.

[number twelve]

this guy was just overall a better human than me. i wont make the mistake of not wearing headgear again. and weeman, ill kick your ass like i have done so many times before.

[nyjetsfan86]

word on the street is youre afraid of weeman

[Vinlander]

yea definitly aviod those kind of workouts. nothing good to come out of that except injury. i hope that you are training for other reasons than bouncing at a bar. roadhouse was a movie. smaller guys use their radios not muay thai. if you are serious about your training then yes it is definitly ok to work out with a better more experienced fighter. working out with a bigger guy is ok too just not that much bigger.

It sounds like the teacher lacks substantial knowledge. Working out with a larger opponent is good for real-world application. The world isn't divided into weight classes and all martial arts should be for practical use. But this was an unsafe environment and more of a giggle for immature kids who wanted a gander at an example of "real-life MMA fighting." Very immature.

[sonar1234]

It sounds like the teacher lacks substantial knowledge. Working out with a larger opponent is good for real-world application. The world isn't divided into weight classes and all martial arts should be for practical use. But this was an unsafe environment and more of a giggle for immature kids who wanted a gander at an example of "real-life MMA fighting." Very immature.

Tell that to Daniel Gauthier my first Kyokushin teacher i regularly got my ass kicked on class cause i was skinny 142 pounds fighting 200 pounds plus guys, kyokushin is full contact to the body and leg, but light contact in the face but even then you will go down if someone kicks you in the head at 200 pounds.

[Vinlander]

Tell that to Daniel Gauthier my first Kyokushin teacher i regularly got my ass kicked on class cause i was skinny 142 pounds fighting 200 pounds plus guys, kyokushin is full contact to the body and leg, but light contact in the face but even then you will go down if someone kicks you in the head at 200 pounds.

Sounds good on paper but what would've happened if a 200lb guy snapped your knee with a leg kick? Your path toward excelling in that martial art or even walking properly would be suspended for a very long time. Unless you're already an expert, it's a poor way to train. Too much risk for too little gain. Period.

[weeman001]

this guy was just overall a better human than me. i wont make the mistake of not wearing headgear again. and weeman, ill kick your ass like i have done so many times before.

kicked my ass.. yea maybe it was

1: when was chasing you around the truck b/c you were scared to face me after surfing no wait.. it was..

2: at the bar when you ran away from me half the night hahahha.

you big puss just admit that your scared of a 150lb 5'5'' kid

[notorious_mem]

kick his ass seabass.....

[sonar1234]

Sounds good on paper but what would've happened if a 200lb guy snapped your knee with a leg kick? Your path toward excelling in that martial art or even walking properly would be suspended for a very long time. Unless you're already an expert, it's a poor way to train. Too much risk for too little gain. Period.

Agreed this school was just dumb, and everybody knows in kyokushin school all around to never go to Daniel Gauthier school, i could have gotten injured for good for sure i was so skinny and 16 years old got my ass kicked regularly by 25-30 year old guys.

No brainer i know.

[sweetfights]

Sound advice given.
Stay withing your weight class or one above.
Always use all the safety gear.
With a size advantage like that, even a much slower opponent will dominate if they know how to use the jab- and it sounds like this guy did know how to use the jab. Most of the great champs knew and owned the jab.

[armbar83]

do you have a fight coming up? if not, theres no point in training at that intensity. all you'll end up doing is the new guy training regimen...

train too hard, get hurt, take a week off...come back, train to hard, get hurt, take 2 weeks off...ect.

train at an intensity that you can benifit from learning and experiencing combat but also continue to train that week. you wont really learn anything having to take weeks off at a time due to injury.

the only time i would tell you to train hard is if you have a fight coming up. you need to prepare mentally for someone really trying to take your head off, and there is a confidence and edge that comes from knowing there wont be any suprises because youve been hit hard and you know what it feels like. even if its to prepare for a fight you only do it like week 3 or 4 out then take it back down for weeks 2 or 3 to make sure you dont end up injured.

training like this will only get you beat up. something i do before i spar is say to the guy, "hey on a scale from 1 to 10 how hard are we going" just so im on the same page is him.

if you guys were going lighter, you could have thought some about how to get inside on him. if hes that much larger than you, try timing his jab and coming inside, go body..head..body..head...and get out. if your going to hard though, you wont be able to work different things because every time you screw up you get smashed and it makes you scared to try different things and more predictable.

good luck man...i hate head gear too, i hate not being able to see. i try to never wear it, but you should keep your hands up.

arm

[Tapout]

agree with armbar
the reason why jiu jitsu works so good in real fights is you can train really hard with people rolling full out till you get submission but when you add striking to it you can only go so hard for so long--thats why most striking stlyles are not as effective--when you spar in a striking style you have to pull punches as you can not go full out all the time and survive for long so you get used to pulling the shots and the next thing you know you are doing it in a fight

its good to train with somone that big but lay off the striking unless you are training for a particiluar fight just roll with him and get used to the weight and strength

if you are training for a tournament the best way is to train with 3 types
people your size with higher and lower skill levels
someone really big (as him) to feel weight and strength
and someone smaller and faster than you to get used to the speed

[sportmuaythai]

I spar with my trainer, so it's all about rythm, timing, choice of moves and speed. No power blows, very safe. I do muaythai exclusively, yet clinching is sparred seperately, without weapons exchanges, just grabbing and slap kneeing and throws. So I can spar with lighter or heavier partner *( I train with two or three trainers).
Just noticed Tapout's comment. With pad work, you do go full power, and you do get used to going full power. In muaythai, pad work is the core of the training.

[Tapout]

agree sport
must have pads in striking styles to be able to go full out all the time--and I dont mean the little pads on hands and feet for point sparing--I mean the think pads you hold
also muaythai is a different striking style than most--it is alot more aggressive and alot more hard contact is made and to survive it for long you need the thick pads--my bjj instructor trained it for years before starting bjj and he does incorperate some muaythai in our class--mostly leg kicks and holding back of head for knees to face
we train them by putting hands in front and hitting hands hard