MMA guy in need of assistance

[nemo9669]

Well for starters I’d like to say hello. I looked around and this seems to be the best source of info on the net for steroids . I’ll preface this entire post by saying that I know NOTHING about the subject, so please explain anything at a very remedial level.

I train in MMA. Mostly muay thai and BJJ, with a little wrestling and boxing to round me out. I got an injury in BJJ a few months ago, dislocating my shoulder. In fact, in the past several years I have dislocated both shoulders. They are now problematic joints that are easily re-injured. I’ve been told my tendons are stretched, making them pretty injury prone.

I’ve been told by a few people that certain steroids could help me in strengthening the joints and would really help out my situation better than any exercises and stretches on their own. Sadly, that is the extent of the info I have received.

If I’m going to cycle anyway, I’d like to see some strength gains all around, and obviously I cannot take anything that would hinder my endurance. Beyond that I can't specify anymore, because I don't really know what is availible. Testing is not an issue as I’m not fighting yet, and don’t plan to enter the ring for about six months. Even then, it will only be amatuer bouts.

Any information, as detailed as possible, would be very much appreciated. If you need any more info or background then what I wrote let me know. Thanks a lot.

[QuieTSToRM33]

You should look into glucosamine, chondroitin, and msm.

I would stay away from steroids if you're having bad joint issues.

[armbar83]

yah, i would agree with quiet.

it doesnt mean they dont exist, but im not aware of steroids that will give you any real healing benefits for your joints. for the most part, certain steroids will give you some joint relief via fluid retention, but wont heal up your joints....

be careful though, compounds like tren and winny are notorious for sucking out your joints and making your problem worse....

try rotator specific exercises...
using a cable crossover machine, adjust the height to head level and face away from the cable/machine while holding the handle with your arm at 90 degrees and your upper arm parallel with the floor. from there keeping your elbow at a fixed point in the air as the point of rotation, rotate your arm, pulling the cable down towards the floor and then slowly back, not moving your elbow. you can then face the machine, adjust the height to about waist level, and pull the cable towards you. just dont move your elbow.

[nemo9669]

yah, i would agree with quiet.

it doesnt mean they dont exist, but im not aware of steroids that will give you any real healing benefits for your joints. for the most part, certain steroids will give you some joint relief via fluid retention, but wont heal up your joints....

be careful though, compounds like tren and winny are notorious for sucking out your joints and making your problem worse....

try rotator specific exercises...
using a cable crossover machine, adjust the height to head level and face away from the cable/machine while holding the handle with your arm at 90 degrees and your upper arm parallel with the floor. from there keeping your elbow at a fixed point in the air as the point of rotation, rotate your arm, pulling the cable down towards the floor and then slowly back, not moving your elbow. you can then face the machine, adjust the height to about waist level, and pull the cable towards you. just dont move your elbow.

I didn't mean to imply that certain drugs would fix my joints. The way it was explained to me was that certain steroids would strengthen my shoulders, compensating for the stretched tendons, and helping to prevent further injury.

As for those exercises, I do those and several others as well as stretching twice daily. I just seem to have hit the wall (so to speak) on naturally preparing my shoulders for preventing further damage. It now seems like every other week I'll throw my shoulder in training. Even when it's minor, I'm out for a few days. I'm worried that it will be major at some point and put me out for months.

[Schwarzenegger]

deca supposedly induces growth of connective tissue (ie. tendons and what not)

[sonar1234]

I eard that too about deca but i am really not sure you might want to do some research on google for deca.

[stuuyh]

deca supposedly induces growth of connective tissue (ie. tendons and what not)

i damaged a tendon in my right shoulder whilst grappling,i was out for 3month still in pain,i started taking deca durabolin ,injecting into the delt,after roughly 2weeks i had no pain,and still to this day i do not suffer anymore from this old injury.

[lex57]

it seems you maybe kinda screwed in the sense that IF you do choose deca ....which is good for joints...be careful because deca stays in your system for a while if you're gonna be tested later. also you definately need to run some test with it also because deca will shut you down as far as natural test production. but keep researching.

[sonar1234]

it seems you maybe kinda screwed in the sense that IF you do choose deca....which is good for joints...be careful because deca stays in your system for a while if you're gonna be tested later. also you definately need to run some test with it also because deca will shut you down as far as natural test production. but keep researching.

Thats great advise i am stock with back pain and wonder if when i finish my treatments running a cycle myself.

[Quil]

You might consider looking into USPlabs Cissus RX...

[nemo9669]

After talking to some people and hearing the comments here (and hurting my shoulder again today) I think I want to try a cycle of Deca . I did some internet searching and I found plenty of info on the side effects, what it is supposed to do, etc. But I couldn't find any basic info that is necessary for me ( a guy whose never done a cycle).

Can someone please explain to me everything I need to know and buy for this.

I know a good pharmacy across the border where I used to get pain meds for cheap, so a source is no problem.

-I need to know what (specifically) to ask for.
-Anything else I should cycle with it.
-How to administer it, and how often.
-What dosage to use.
-Anything I need to change/adapt with my diet, training, sleep, whatever.
-Any info I'm not thinking of. Remember, I know NOTHING. My knowledge of chemical assitance in training goes no farther than a few basic GNC supplements.

Thanks.

By the way, if there is a better place to find this info or a better resource site, let me know.

[jbarkley]

After talking to some people and hearing the comments here (and hurting my shoulder again today) I think I want to try a cycle of Deca . I did some internet searching and I found plenty of info on the side effects, what it is supposed to do, etc. But I couldn't find any basic info that is necessary for me ( a guy whose never done a cycle).

Can someone please explain to me everything I need to know and buy for this.

I know a good pharmacy across the border where I used to get pain meds for cheap, so a source is no problem.

-I need to know what (specifically) to ask for.
-Anything else I should cycle with it.
-How to administer it, and how often.
-What dosage to use.
-Anything I need to change/adapt with my diet, training, sleep, whatever.
-Any info I'm not thinking of. Remember, I know NOTHING. My knowledge of chemical assitance in training goes no farther than a few basic GNC supplements.

Thanks.

By the way, if there is a better place to find this info or a better resource site, let me know.

Bro, I just wanted to reiterate that Deca can stay in your system up to 18 months. That being said....my doctor prescribed deca for me because of my joints, since I was already on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) there was no need to add additional Test. Now, in your case as mentioned you are going to want to add some test into the cycle. Probably, Testosterone Ethanate along with your nandrolone decanate (deca). Since you're using it for therapy and not to put on size, then a therapuetic dosage would be ample. The dose prescribed to me was 200 mg. a week and with 250 mg. of the TestE also weekly. Probably the most comfortable stick to use would be a 23g. 1 inch and inject into the shoulder. I would probably do 1/2 cc 100mg. twice a week on the deca and split the test the same way but inject the test on another day. I hope this helps...Livestrong!

[armbar83]

you would be fine mixing the gear in the pin and injecting the test/deca in one syringe. shoot it twice a week mon/thurs. make sure you run test with that deca, keeping the test dose slightly higher. if you can't run test with it, dont run the deca alone. i like the 250/wk test 200/wk deca. this will be plenty to get the joint benefit from deca. you should run this like 12 weeks.

be careful though, i think your kind of confused about something...
increasing muscle mass/strength in the shoulders will not help your joints. if anything it will create more stress on the joint. the deca will add fluid to your joints possibly helping them heal with the increased synovial fluid circulation. i would not go over a theraputic dose of this gear because you may end up doing more damage then good if your pushing alot of weight around.

good luck man...you could also try adequan/aflutop for joint pain and getting some more fluid in there...and save the deca/test...

[thekaydense]

deca is good for lubricating joints

Equipose is better for actually strengthening connective tissue

winny and tren are known to dry you out, but also winny is prescribed for rebuilding of connective tissue. so im assuming it may hurt lubrication but may actually strengther the joints.

var is neutral, but great for strength whilst maintaining size

for mma, i would suggest a cycle that looks something like this

test E 250 mg/week 1-12
EQ 200mg/week 1-12
deca 200 mg/week 1-12
var 60 mg day week 1-3 40mg day 4-14

keep you cals at maintenence level. strength should jump drastically, endurance wont be affected, bodyfat will drop, joints will strengthen, but with the low dose, you wont put on any "weight."

[nemo9669]

deca is good for lubricating joints

Equipose is better for actually strengthening connective tissue

winny and tren are known to dry you out, but also winny is prescribed for rebuilding of connective tissue. so im assuming it may hurt lubrication but may actually strengther the joints.

var is neutral, but great for strength whilst maintaining size

for mma, i would suggest a cycle that looks something like this

test E 250 mg/week 1-12
EQ 200mg/week 1-12
deca 200 mg/week 1-12
var 60 mg day week 1-3 40mg day 4-14

keep you cals at maintenence level. strength should jump drastically, endurance wont be affected, bodyfat will drop, joints will strengthen, but with the low dose, you wont put on any "weight."

This all sounds very good and I'll probably try that cycle you laid out. What kind of schedule should I run with these throughout the week as far as day and time of injections? Are these seperate shots, or should any be mixed? Does it matter where I inject, or can I rotate between the normal spots? (shoulder, ass, and thigh, right?)

Anything else I should need to know regarding supplements, eating, training, or sleep, that I might need to change for this specific cycle?

I'll research side effects, but anything anyone wants to point out from personal experience?

[armbar83]

blah

if its your first cycle man keep it simple. low dose test/deca ...

[armbar83]

deca is good for lubricating joints

Equipose is better for actually strengthening connective tissue

winny and tren are known to dry you out, but also winny is prescribed for rebuilding of connective tissue. so im assuming it may hurt lubrication but may actually strengther the joints.

var is neutral, but great for strength whilst maintaining size

for mma, i would suggest a cycle that looks something like this

test E 250 mg/week 1-12
EQ 200mg/week 1-12
deca 200 mg/week 1-12
var 60 mg day week 1-3 40mg day 4-14

keep you cals at maintenence level. strength should jump drastically, endurance wont be affected, bodyfat will drop, joints will strengthen, but with the low dose, you wont put on any "weight."

your telling this person who you know nothing about to take a gram of gear a week?? and according to your profile have no personal experience? nice...

[QuieTSToRM33]

IMO ... lay off the sauce ... it will not make you a better fighter and most likely will not help with your joints.

[armbar83]

you should listen to the american top team guys...we are kind of a big deal around here

[QuieTSToRM33]

you should listen to the american top team guys...we are kind of a big deal around here

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[armbar83]

back at you bud

[zimmy]

i'm not att...f u both

i agree though :P

[armbar83]

your ok though zimmy, at least with me man

[QuieTSToRM33]

your ok though zimmy, at least with me man

yeah he's ok ... even though he like alanis morrisette

[armbar83]

yeah he's ok ... even though he like alanis morrisette

nevermind then...

[armbar83]

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[QuieTSToRM33]

nevermind then...