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[Edgar]

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Do any of you guys like Aikido

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Question:

Is Commando Krav Maga and Krav Maga the same-thing?

[Odpierdol_sie!]

Question:

Is Commando Krav Maga and Krav Maga the same-thing?

They are in respect of what they are and where they come from.
If Krav Maga was Semi skimmed milk.... Commando Krav Maga would be full fat double cream.

Its krav maga on steroids !

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

They are in respect of what they are and where they come from.
If Krav Maga was Semi skimmed milk.... Commando Krav Maga would be full fat double cream.

Its krav maga on steroids!

lol.

So is Krav Maga worth taking? There seems to be some instructors around here. But no CKM...

I mean, its not just some watered down half ass version of CKM is it?

[Flagg]

So true,his body was build for acting (hence his big biceps) in wing chung no masters have developed biceps as all the actions are with tri.He was amazing but it pisses me of when guys think he is the real thing.Fedor would kill him

I disagree man, did Arnie lose credibility as a bodybuilder when he started making movies? Bruce Lee was a phenomenal athelete and ultra fast, i read a coupla books on him a few years ago, apparantly he beat the champion muai tai kickboxing champion in Thailand some time in the 70's. Could Bruce Lee in his prime succeed in the Octagon today? That's like asking if Muhamid Ali could beat Tyson in his prime, a lot of maybe's and subjective conjecture.

[pump.joe]

Do any of you guys like Aikido

I think Aikido is sweet, but proficiency requires decades. It's not really suitable for this thread.

[jsinur7]

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and yes, bruce lee is fake... i hate when karate guys go on and on about bruce lee.... he would get destroyed... he was for show and film...

[jsinur7]

I think Aikido is sweet, but proficiency requires decades. It's not really suitable for this thread.

things like akido and karate and a few others round out to no more then dance choregraphy and showmanship... they have no place in real fights... real fights are unexpected.. in karate class and demos they know what the opponents gonna do and they have a set response... it's glorified dancing

[pump.joe]

things like akido and karate and a few others round out to no more then dance choregraphy and showmanship... they have no place in real fights... real fights are unexpected.. in karate class and demos they know what the opponents gonna do and they have a set response... it's glorified dancing

You never had kumite in your karate class??

[jsinur7]

You never had kumite in your karate class??

of course and they all look the same... one gu trying to do a move and the other guy trying to do the move he learned to counter it... it's like dancing... it's all over kill... it's mostly for show... in real fights, it has no place... like in the ufc or wec or any mma, you rarely ever see any of it used cause it's not practical... it's great to know for balance and flexibility etc, but for actual fighting, it's nearly useless...

[pump.joe]

of course and they all look the same... one gu trying to do a move and the other guy trying to do the move he learned to counter it... it's like dancing... it's all over kill... it's mostly for show... in real fights, it has no place... like in the ufc or wec or any mma, you rarely ever see any of it used cause it's not practical... it's great to know for balance and flexibility etc, but for actual fighting, it's nearly useless...

Dunno what to tell you, dude. Guess you just had a different dojo. Kumite at my old dojo was like being in the ring.

[vBRAH]

I was considering learning Muay Thai We dont have any MMA training here that I know of so I thought Muay Thai would be great to learn either way!

[jsinur7]

Dunno what to tell you, dude. Guess you just had a different dojo. Kumite at my old dojo was like being in the ring.

i agree with you, but how much of the karate you learn do you actually use during that kumite??? maybe 5%??? punch punch puch occasional kick... all the fancy stuff isn't used

[pump.joe]

i agree with you, but how much of the karate you learn do you actually use during that kumite??? maybe 5%??? punch punch puch occasional kick... all the fancy stuff isn't used

I'll agree that not all the techniques are applicable. But there are definitely fighters in MMA using karate techniques. GSP, for instance.

[jsinur7]

I'll agree that not all the techniques are applicable. But there are definitely fighters in MMA using karate techniques. GSP, for instance.

using is one thing, but using effectively is another... like i said, it is definately a great foundation...

[roid_rage]

I'll agree that not all the techniques are applicable. But there are definitely fighters in MMA using karate techniques. GSP, for instance.

would you please tell me what karate technique gsp has ever used?? he practiced karate, he uses his gi and shit, but that's about all the karate bs you will ever see him doing.. nor lyoto machida... all the fancy stuff you learn at a karate dojo, kung fu dojo and shit... is no more than a fricking ballet, they make you waist a hell lot of time practicing all that bullshit... sorry if I disrespect anyone here, but thats the sad true, it doenst work in real fights...

jsinur7... you are so right... I just cant stop LMAO when I remember UFC 1 2 3, all this black belt guys coming from exotic MA, as soonest as they got in the ring... all the 10000000 million years of training just resumed in one thing, throwing punches around... like a normal bob, and getting their ass handle by pretty much anyone... that's the reason why you dont see any more of this guys fighting at MMA... now their excuse is... they are just toooo lethal to get in a ring, they traing to kill.. not to fight.. LMAO...

[J-Dogg]

Why does everything end up on the ground? Bare fisted you can really get punished for shooting on someone.

Fast accurate punches or a knee to the face will quickly make you forget you were even shooting.

In a street situation, IMO MT is best, BJJ is there for backup.

[roid_rage]

sooner or later, 90% of the fights end up on the ground...

[zimmy]

Why does everything end up on the ground? Bare fisted you can really get punished for shooting on someone.

Fast accurate punches or a knee to the face will quickly make you forget you were even shooting.

In a street situation, IMO MT is best, BJJ is there for backup.

You don't just shoot in ...you have to set it up and you have to be close enough but not to close.

p.S. there is more than just shoots to get people on the ground...throws and sweeps are great after you swing some and get tangled up a lil

[J-Dogg]

You don't just shoot in ...you have to set it up and you have to be close enough but not to close.

p.S. there is more than just shoots to get people on the ground...throws and sweeps are great after you swing some and get tangled up a lil

I agree, but many UFC fighters are able to dominate with just stand up and take down defense.

I still say in a standard fight instance MT is the best. Most people are not going to be trained in anything but a spear style shoot from high school wresteling.

[sooners04]

AHH, the never ending battle of MMA training vs. street training. I think Zimmy hit it on the head with his 2 instances. He was obviously better trained than his opponent and used it to win. Could his opponents buddy hit Zimmy in the head with an object while he had him down, sure. So it really doesn't matter what you train as long as you keep training and getting better. As far as "karate" choreographing the moves. Doesn't BJJ have "choreographed" moves, I believe they call it a technique though. Karate does the same thing, they use a "technique" to show how to defend against an attacker. Doesn't mean you have to use the EXACT technique in a fight, but it gives you a plan to defend yourself. The reason karate isn't really effective in the MMA world is because of the rules. The Kenpo Karate I practice uses the groin, throat, and eyes as it's main target areas, obviously if I train to strike those areas I'm not going to do well in an event that doesn't let me hit those areas. My style also practices controlling the head and striking the eyes/throat area if someone does try to take us down. Doesn't mean it will work every time, but it gives us a some kind of plan so we don't panic or lack confidence. As far as taking someone too the ground in a street fight, could come back to haunt you in a civil/criminal court as the judge could see you as the aggressor and rule in favor of the other person, just depends on the situation, I know if I was in a street fight, I would NEVER be the aggressor, that's just not how I train.

[roid_rage]

sooners04... that just make no sense...

I will ask again, how hard is to hit the groin, throat, and eyes, do you need 10 years of training to hit that? NO. pretty much in a week you could be a master at hiting groins, throats and eyes... There used to be some kempo fighters at the beggining, but they got their asses kicked so bad, that after a while, there was no kempo fighter no more (at least on kempo)...

If You ask me if they were able to use all kind of atacks at UFC 1 2 3, the out come would of been any different... I say... HELL NO, Why? because other guys will be able to use the same techniques against you.. so imagine royce holding your nuts, to make you leave an open spot for him to grab your arm and break it in 10 parts... The assumption that TM do not work on MMA 'cause their arent able to use dirty attacks... is just some excuse they tell you at your dojo so you can keep on practicing (and paying of course)... and the worst thing is that even the instructor belives it...

[sooners04]

sooners04... that just make no sense...

I will ask again, how hard is to hit the groin, throat, and eyes, do you need 10 years of training to hit that? NO. pretty much in a week you could be a master at hiting groins, throats and eyes... There used to be some kempo fighters at the beggining, but they got their asses kicked so bad, that after a while, there was no kempo fighter no more (at least on kempo)...

If You ask me if they were able to use all kind of atacks at UFC 1 2 3, the out come would of been any different... I say... HELL NO, Why? because other guys will be able to use the same techniques against you.. so imagine royce holding your nuts, to make you leave an open spot for him to grab your arm and break it in 10 parts... The assumption that TM do not work on MMA 'cause their arent able to use dirty attacks... is just some excuse they tell you at your dojo so you can keep on practicing (and paying of course)... and the worst thing is that even the instructor belives it...

Again I'll say that the person with the most training increases his/her odds of winning a fight. Just like in Zimmy's example. It's obvious you don't practice hitting the throat, eyes, or groin because it's a lot easier to hit someone's face or kick them in the leg than it is to strike their throat or eyes. That just comes down to target area. Even in UFC 1,2,3 there were rules, like no eye gouging. To say we practice JUST hitting those area's is another example that you no nothing about Kenpo. We practice blocking/avoiding strikes and then attacking those area's in a quick and effective manner. It's not an excuse for the instructor(ME) to use, it's just the easiest and quickest way to injure your opponent in a street situation and it's how we train, so it's what we are most comfortable with, just like Zimmy trains BJJ and is most comfortable taking the guy to the ground rather than boxing with him.

[bRKBEATz]

Sure Bruce Lee would lose to any MMA fighter of today's era.

However, for his time, he was one of the first to realize that mixing styles was the most effective way to fight. He was more than an actor - he was a great fighter, and one that realized that a person needs to use more than 1 style to win fights. As hge once said:

"Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves.

Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend."

[zimmy]

why does everyone bash on bruce lee? Have ya'll read his book when he was making his own style? It has some bjj in it!

[roid_rage]

Again I'll say that the person with the most training increases his/her odds of winning a fight. Just like in Zimmy's example. It's obvious you don't practice hitting the throat, eyes, or groin because it's a lot easier to hit someone's face or kick them in the leg than it is to strike their throat or eyes. That just comes down to target area. Even in UFC 1,2,3 there were rules, like no eye gouging. To say we practice JUST hitting those area's is another example that you no nothing about Kenpo. We practice blocking/avoiding strikes and then attacking those area's in a quick and effective manner. It's not an excuse for the instructor(ME) to use, it's just the easiest and quickest way to injure your opponent in a street situation and it's how we train, so it's what we are most comfortable with, just like Zimmy trains BJJ and is most comfortable taking the guy to the ground rather than boxing with him.

I'm sorry my friend, i'm sure you are totally conviced about your techniques, and sure as hell you are going to answer that you already used them, but I just dont buy that crap, blocking/avoiding? give me a break, unless you train full real contact, no matter how many times you simulate the situation, in real life, with the adrenaline going on, and specially not knowing where the heck the hit is coming from, you will get hit... , i'm telling you, it works to hit someone in the throat if you hit them buy sorprise, but as soon as the fighting has started, unless the other guy is a retard, it is pretty damm hard to hit to the throat, and even if you can hit the throat, its got to be clean shot to make any effect, other ways, is just like a hit to the neck, and what happend if you miss the hit? that you will most likely miss... uhmm?? going for the eyes? as soonest as you realize, if the other guy has a couple of more pounds that you, you are going be getting the beating of your life on the ground...

What I'm saying is that you cant base your whole MT in a couple of dirty tricks, again, you can be a master on hitting right spots in a couple of weeks, but being a real athlete, get the strengh, cardio and hability that a cross training gives you, that's what it makes you a good fighter, in the street or the mat... Sorry man, but I've done a lot of different MT, seen too many fights and been involved as well, and simply, dont buy the karate, kung fu shit no more.

[sooners04]

I'm sorry my friend, i'm sure you are totally conviced about your techniques, and sure as hell you are going to answer that you already used them, but I just dont buy that crap, blocking/avoiding? give me a break, unless you train full real contact, no matter how many times you simulate the situation, in real life, with the adrenaline going on, and specially not knowing where the heck the hit is coming from, you will get hit... , i'm telling you, it works to hit someone in the throat if you hit them buy sorprise, but as soon as the fighting has started, unless the other guy is a retard, it is pretty damm hard to hit to the throat, and even if you can hit the throat, its got to be clean shot to make any effect, other ways, is just like a hit to the neck, and what happend if you miss the hit? that you will most likely miss... uhmm?? going for the eyes? as soonest as you realize, if the other guy has a couple of more pounds that you, you are going be getting the beating of your life on the ground...

What I'm saying is that you cant base your whole MT in a couple of dirty tricks, again, you can be a master on hitting right spots in a couple of weeks, but being a real athlete, get the strengh, cardio and hability that a cross training gives you, that's what it makes you a good fighter, in the street or the mat... Sorry man, but I've done a lot of different MT, seen too many fights and been involved as well, and simply, dont buy the karate, kung fu shit no more.

I agree with EVERYTHING your saying, but I don't know why your singling out that the style I practice ONLY strikes throat, eyes and groin. We do punch and kick and block strikes. I'm not sure what styles you practice but don't you practice punching/kicking/blocking as well? It's easier to hit someone in the face than the throat but the difference is the damage done. If you miss punching someone in the face don't you take a chance of getting countered? You act like those are the ONLY things we train for? You know NOTHING of my style and you insist we don't train full contact. I would appreciate it if you didn't assume that you know EVERYTHING about EVERY martial art out there because you have seen a few different ways of training. You say that if I don't know where the strike is coming form I'm going to get hit, well YOU tell me how ANY style is going to prepare you for a strike that you don't see coming? As far as cardio goes in the street, in my experience in a street fight, the fight doesn't last long enough to worry about having good cardio, adrenaline takes you far enough to last a couple minutes easy. In the street someone breaks up the fight, either a bouncer/security or police of maybe a group of friends. Street fights aren't normally set up with both guys knowing that they are in a fight until someone makes the first move, in which case that will NEVER be me and if I have a chance to walk away from a fight you can bet I will EVERYTIME. NO need to jeopardize my job or life for fighting on the street if it can be avoided. One other thing that hasn't been brought up is training against someone with a weapon, I.E. club/knife. Again leaving would be optimal but what happens when you have NO other choice and you have to defend against that knife or club, do you have a plan of defense? I sure as hell do and I am confident I can survive the attack.

[roid_rage]

I agree with EVERYTHING your saying, but I don't know why your singling out that the style I practice ONLY strikes throat, eyes and groin. We do punch and kick and block strikes. I'm not sure what styles you practice but don't you practice punching/kicking/blocking as well? It's easier to hit someone in the face than the throat but the difference is the damage done. If you miss punching someone in the face don't you take a chance of getting countered? You act like those are the ONLY things we train for? You know NOTHING of my style and you insist we don't train full contact. I would appreciate it if you didn't assume that you know EVERYTHING about EVERY martial art out there because you have seen a few different ways of training. You say that if I don't know where the strike is coming form I'm going to get hit, well YOU tell me how ANY style is going to prepare you for a strike that you don't see coming? As far as cardio goes in the street, in my experience in a street fight, the fight doesn't last long enough to worry about having good cardio, adrenaline takes you far enough to last a couple minutes easy. In the street someone breaks up the fight, either a bouncer/security or police of maybe a group of friends. Street fights aren't normally set up with both guys knowing that they are in a fight until someone makes the first move, in which case that will NEVER be me and if I have a chance to walk away from a fight you can bet I will EVERYTIME. NO need to jeopardize my job or life for fighting on the street if it can be avoided. One other thing that hasn't been brought up is training against someone with a weapon, I.E. club/knife. Again leaving would be optimal but what happens when you have NO other choice and you have to defend against that knife or club, do you have a plan of defense? I sure as hell do and I am confident I can survive the attack.

Man, it was you the one saying and putting enfasis in the dirty tricks... not me, you sad that kempo guys dont work in MMA because of the rules, that was the discussion about...

Well, one last thing man, the problem with guys trainign to face arm opponents is that they are sure (as you are) that you could handle the situation, well, the truth is that if you do not take by sorprise the attacker, then out of 10 times, you are going to get hurt badly at least 9.. so just dont try it man...

By the way, I do BJJ...

[sooners04]

I will still say that the way I train would NOT work in MMA because it's not made for sport with rules, a referee, and both fighters knowing that they are in a fight. NONE of those instances are the case in a street fight. I'm still confused as to why you keep talking about attacking people by surprise? Why would I attack someone? That only leads to jail/civil lawsuits and retaliation. I'm talking about being aware that an attack is coming and being prepared for it, like I said before there is NO way of training that prepares you for the A-hole that sucker punches you.

[jamyjamjr]

iv been fighting for 5 years now, n when i really look at the different techniques needed for champs to be champs, i see the following;

1. sombo- good stuff, but by its self leaves vulnerabilites
2. good old fashioned bjj- great for ground game, but usually leaves fighters scared of getting hit due to poor stand up experience
3. greco-roman - if you do not incorporate some type of wrestling into your stock, your ground games gonna suck, as is your take down defense
4. boxing- ahhhhh the sweet science, gotta love it... a must have.... or
5. mui thai- gotta have those kicks guys, your feet are your most powerful weapons.. they can knock someone out through a block if youve trained yourself right....

the way i see it, you should be skilled at 1, 2,3 and 4 or 5. i personally do 1, 2, 3, and 4... im a boxer by blood, cant help it...

- theres nothing more bonding then two people who have love and respect for each other getting in the ring and trying to beat the crap out of one another only to strengthen that love and respect... this is the ultimate high