Ken Shamrock vs Kimbo Slice (GOD)

[yannick35]

Ken Shamrock is a legend of MMA, he was one of the first and was quit amazing in the first UFC PPV.

He never really got back into MMA after is WWF stint.

Aside from a big fat paycheck what can be is motivation going against Kimbo.

I dont know about you guys but that is a sure KO for Kimbo, Ken will want to stand like he did in is last fights and he is going to get knocked out.

He should have retired after is second defeat in UFC against Tito.

[WDMF]

I agree that Shamrock is just fighting for the paychecks. I'm not a Kimbo hater, but I have mixed emotions about Kimbo taking this fight. If he is serious about his career he needs to have the competition stepped up a little.

He is getting good paydays from EliteXC, but come on now. I'm ready to see what he can do instead of keep fighting fighters that can no longer effectively fight on the new level of fighters. This sharade is getting a little old.

[NaturalKid2008]

kimbo for the win

[warchild]

is shamrock still juiced outta his head?

[Pooks]

Maybe the winner of this fight can fight Bas Rutten

[yannick35]

is shamrock still juiced outta his head?

My guess is that after he left WWF to return to MMA he sort of stayed in is WWF gimmick.

Is first fights in Pride he was on steroids for sure, when he came back to UFC he was not, UFC are taking these drug test very seriously and that is good for the sport.

Now in is last fight in Cage Rage i am not sure, he is still very muscular even at 44 years old.

The point is that Ken just doesnt have it anymore.

Has for Kimbo well he is in is mid 30, i dont know how long he plans to fight, he trains with Bas Rutten which cannot be that bad, after is last fight with Thompson if Bas is brilliant he will work in Kimbo ground defense and sprawling.

Kimbo will get in trouble when he fight a real BJJ or a world class wrestler, my guess is that they wont have any trouble taking him down.

Kimbo is now a big star in the public eye to and dont forget that Elite XC is sort of a family oriented MMA show, since its on CBS, so Elite XC might be protecting is big star by feeding him grade C fighters.

If that is the case then it will be up to Kimbo to decide if he really wants to be a real MMA fighter and step up to a real challenge, maybe moving on to UFC, or remain where he is and keep pilling up the money fighting grade C fighters.

Dont you love sport entertainement. The commentators are doing a great job hyping up Kimbo but for us real MMA fans we have yet to be convience that he is the real deal.

I am not flaming kimbo i love to see that big massive moutain of muscles knock out guys its really cool to see, but at some point i would love to see more, like some ground and pound or an armbar LOL

[yannick35]

Maybe the winner of this fight can fight Bas Rutten

Not sure if Bas can fight again? WFA ran some drug test and Bas was taking a mountain of pain killers and more was quit a list if i can remember.

I know that he had a 3 fight deal with WFA.

Would be cool to see him fight again.

[WARMachine]

Hes already said he will never fight again...

And Ken already beat him (the best kneebar ive ever seen!)

My guess is that after he left WWF to return to MMA he sort of stayed in is WWF gimmick.

Is first fights in Pride he was on steroids for sure, when he came back to UFC he was not, Yeah right! Did you not see his first fight against Tito? Or his fight against Kimo? Come on!UFC are taking these drug test very seriously and that is good for the sport. Why is this good for the sport? Dont tell me youre against users in MMA? That would be pretty hypocritical!

Now in is last fight in Cage Rage i am not sure, he is still very muscular even at 44 years old.

The point is that Ken just doesnt have it anymore.

Has for Kimbo well he is in is mid 30, i dont know how long he plans to fight, he trains with Bas Rutten which cannot be that bad, after is last fight with Thompson if Bas is brilliant he will work in Kimbo ground defense and sprawling.

Kimbo will get in trouble when he fight a real BJJ or a world class wrestler, my guess is that they wont have any trouble taking him down.

Kimbo is now a big star in the public eye to and dont forget that Elite XC is sort of a family oriented MMA show, since its on CBS, so Elite XC might be protecting is big star by feeding him grade C fighters. Calling James Thompson and Ken Shamrock C grade fighters is a stretch.

If that is the case then it will be up to Kimbo to decide if he really wants to be a real MMA fighter and step up to a real challenge, maybe moving on to UFC, or remain where he is and keep pilling up the money fighting grade C fighters. Dana has already said he would never sign Kimbo, although Dana White's word is worth dogshit...

Dont you love sport entertainement. The commentators are doing a great job hyping up Kimbo but for us real MMA fans we have yet to be convience that he is the real deal. The real deal? Dude get serious... Rodgers will kill him eventually, and Rodgers would barely be a top 10 HW in the UFC, and that division is crap right now...

I am not flaming kimbo i love to see that big massive moutain of muscles knock out guys its really cool to see, but at some point i would love to see more, like some ground and pound or an armbar LOL

Ken Shamrock is a legend of MMA, he was one of the first and was quit amazing in the first UFC PPV.

He never really got back into MMA after is WWF stint.

Aside from a big fat paycheck what can be is motivation going against Kimbo.

I dont know about you guys but that is a sure KO for Kimbo, Ken will want to stand like he did in is last fights and he is going to get knocked out. Whats are you talking about? Ken is want to get this to the ground ASAP! Not saying he will, or that Kimbo wont KO him (which he just might), but Ken's sub game is lightyears away from Kimbo's, and that in itself is sad...

He should have retired after is second defeat in UFC against Tito. he should have retired after the fight with Frye, before his first fight with Tito...

[HeavyHitter]

they think kimbo will win, plus putting him against another known champion will give them high ratings. Shamrock is doing it to get one more last win before he retires, and i believe he should jump on this... maybe even give him an edge to fight some more...

but I believe it can go either way... if Shamrock is smart, he'll just wrestle Kimbo every time! I highly doubt he'll last one round if he stands up with him...

[yannick35]

war4BTT i am not for steroid usage in any sport, they are there and i guess there to stay but i feel that it is cheating, even more if your opponent doesnt take any.

I took steroid myself back in 1999 and i am not judging anyone who is using them. After all i trained in MMA for 3 months and the training is very hard. I never competed so i cannot say anything like the guys who compete.

At 36 years old and in not so good physical condition i just want to have fun, competition is over for me, hate off to anyone that competes.

I am really saying the Ken and Thompson are grade c fighter main reason is that they really dont have it anymore.

I know that Ken would have a huge advantage if he can put Kimbo down, i really dont know how much he will weight in is fight against Kimbo. Its been a while since we seen Ken pull out a submission against someone.

Is last Cage Rage appearance he got knockout real fast by Robert Berry. Ken stand up really is not has good has it was, its all in is advantage to take guys down.

Yupe I got Bas Rutten DVD career and the fight you are taking about is on there, he did get cough with a major knee bar.

UFC heavyweight division is not crap you have some very good fighters in there right now.

But its true that Affliction picked up the best of the best in the HW division for the MMA fighters.

I would really love to see Ken SHamrock retire with one last great victory, after all he earned it for sure, i did meet Ken back in 1998 in a strip bar after a WWF event, he was with that fat ass Marc Henry who was a real prick.

But Ken is a very cool guy that will talk to you, he did mention then that he wanted to return to UFC, he said that he beat Bas Rutten once and he wanted to beat him again for is HW title in UFC.

I just hate to see Ken get knocked out again, and even worst by a guy like Kimbo he could get a serious injury.

[rush_604]

Kimbo is pretty pathetic. Harsh got up in Brets face at the post fight interviews saying he would fight him. What the **** happened? People are saying that Kimbo needs to ease into good competition well Brett is barely top 20 if that. So why doesnt Kimbo fight him? Hopefully Ken can pull off a knee bar or any submission, and ruin EliteXc plans.

[DeputyLoneWolf]

Forget about Shamrock, I'd like to see Kimbo have to fight Randy Couture

[Voice of Reason]

Shamrock: ‘I Will Break His Leg’
Thursday, August 28, 2008

The contrasts couldn’t be clearer. Ken Shamrock is a grizzled veteran of mixed martial arts, a 44-year-old UFC Hall of Famer who has battled the most well-known fighters of the past 15 years in rings and cages across the world. Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson is a baby in the sport, a tough street fighter who banks on his heavy hands to get him toward a respect to match his box office appeal.

Shamrock (26-13-2) knows these differences. But heading into a fight with the bearded brawler on national network television Oct. 4 -- the main event of EliteXC “Saturday Night Fights” on CBS -- Shamrock is thinking just as much about what he and Slice (3-0) have in common.

“Where I’m at in this stage of my career, this is probably the biggest fight in my life since I started fighting,” Shamrock said. “This is the biggest, because, you know, I’m at the stage of my career where it’s put up or shut up. And you know, Kimbo’s at that same stage. Put up or shut up.”

Like Slice, Shamrock is coming off a less-than-stellar performance, which itself came after he’d lost four straight. In March, “The World’s Most Dangerous Man” fizzled against journeyman Robert “Buzz” Berry in London for the Cage Rage organization. Shamrock circled Berry tentatively, failed on a takedown attempt, and about three and a half minutes into the first round was hit with a right hook that felled him unceremoniously.

Slice also struggled in his last effort on May 31 against the cartoonish James Thompson. Slice was hurt and exposed on the ground, and gassed so hard he had trouble talking after the fight, which he managed to win with flailing punches in the third.

Shamrock believes Kimbo Slice was exposed in his bout with James
Thompson back in May. “Kimbo got exposed,” Shamrock said. “Because he got exposed, they’re going to go back and make sure they fix those things. So it’s not like they’re going to have the same fighter this time.”

There’s another similarity. Shamrock said he also won’t be the same fighter who stepped into Cage Rage in March. He said he was hit by an illness that intensified once he touched down in England and cut into his preparation. Experience alone wasn’t enough to get him through the fight, though he thought he could handle it.

“I don’t want to go into the symptoms,” Shamrock said about the ailment. “It was serious enough to where I lost 20 pounds and I was probably sick for about four weeks after I got back from England. I was hospitalized for about four days. It was a bad sickness. We got the right antibiotics and got everything cleared. I got myself back on the track again and going in the right direction and got my weigh back on. We started pursuing a fight, the Kimbo Slice thing came up and we said, ‘Wow, this is the perfect fight for me, man. You can’t gift wrap one better than this.’”

EliteXC managed to book a main event that is perfect for both Shamrock and Slice. Slice, 34, needs to face name opponents who present a threat, but not one dire enough to seriously damage his marketable aura. Shamrock, unquestionably in the twilight of his career, needs a high-profile opponent to maintain his relevance in the marketplace, preferably one with an experience deficit that could create openings.

The in-ring chemistry is right, and so is the potential to draw viewers to a broadcast that could keep the deeply indebted EliteXC above water. Slice and Shamrock have been in two of the three most-watched fights in the history of the sport stateside. The YouTube icon’s May 31 tilt with Thompson attracted 6.51 million viewers on CBS, while the third meeting between Shamrock and Tito Ortiz in October 2006 drew 5.7 million viewers during its initial live airing on Spike TV.

Shamrock, who has never met Slice, didn’t hesitate when asked to name the traits that make Slice a television draw.

“The way he looks, he’s very impressive looking,” Shamrock said. “He moves well for a big guy, before he gets tired, and talks well. He’s just got this image about him in the way he speaks. He’s a very, very intimidating person. He walks into the room, people look. When he talks, people listen. So he’s got that charisma. He’s got what it takes to be marketable. Now we’ll figure out whether he’s got what it takes to be a fighter.”

Shamrock is training at his Lion’s Den facility in Reno, Nev., and is looking to improve his punching power and his ability to cut angles on his feet. Shamrock first made his name using leg locks to submit boot-and-kickpad-wearing opponents in the Pancrase organization, but said he can handle Slice in all facets of the game.

“Honestly, I think I can test him anywhere,” he said. “He’s got big, heavy hands. Everyone says he punches hard and he probably does. But again, he doesn’t punch properly, in my opinion. He swings his hands, he moves his body back and forth trying to get as much power as he can, but there’s really no snap behind it. You can usually see the punches coming. I’m going to do what I need to do. If it goes to the ground, I’ll probably break his leg. I mean, no question. I will break his leg. If he gives it to me, I’m going to break it.”

One thing Shamrock said he needs to factor into his game plan is referees’ tendencies to stop his fights when he’s in deep waters. The stoppage in his second fight with Ortiz in 2006 touched off an audience backlash that compelled the UFC to put a rematch on free TV, and Shamrock feels he should have been given more time to regain his composure after being knocked down by “Buzz” Berry.

“I’m sure (referees) are concerned,” he said. “But they’ve got to keep in the back of their mind that I didn’t get to where I’m at by having people protect me.”

[WARMachine]

war4BTT i am not for steroid usage in any sport, they are there and i guess there to stay but i feel that it is cheating, even more if your opponent doesnt take any.

I took steroid myself back in 1999 and i am not judging anyone who is using them. After all i trained in MMA for 3 months and the training is very hard. I never competed so i cannot say anything like the guys who compete.

At 36 years old and in not so good physical condition i just want to have fun, competition is over for me, hate off to anyone that competes.

I am really saying the Ken and Thompson are grade c fighter main reason is that they really dont have it anymore.

I know that Ken would have a huge advantage if he can put Kimbo down, i really dont know how much he will weight in is fight against Kimbo. Its been a while since we seen Ken pull out a submission against someone.

Is last Cage Rage appearance he got knockout real fast by Robert Berry. Ken stand up really is not has good has it was, its all in is advantage to take guys down.

Yupe I got Bas Rutten DVD career and the fight you are taking about is on there, he did get cough with a major knee bar.

UFC heavyweight division is not crap you have some very good fighters in there right now.

But its true that Affliction picked up the best of the best in the HW division for the MMA fighters.

I would really love to see Ken SHamrock retire with one last great victory, after all he earned it for sure, i did meet Ken back in 1998 in a strip bar after a WWF event, he was with that fat ass Marc Henry who was a real prick.

But Ken is a very cool guy that will talk to you, he did mention then that he wanted to return to UFC, he said that he beat Bas Rutten once and he wanted to beat him again for is HW title in UFC.

I just hate to see Ken get knocked out again, and even worst by a guy like Kimbo he could get a serious injury.

Well take it from someone who does compete... Ive had 9 MMA fights... Ive competed most of my career at 170lbs but my last two have been at 185 and i plan on staying there(the cut has just become to hard). Im currently 6-3 and i havent fought since last November. Let me just tell you bro, steroids in any sport is not all its cracked up to be... Ive never been "on" a cycle during a fight, and i have only used them a total of 2 times after fights and never right before one... Honestly, i dont feel it makes a difference, it doesnt improve your standup, it doesnt improve you cardio, or your ground game...

I would just like for people to keep in mind of these things before rushing to judgement...

Btw, outta of the top ten HW's in the world

1) Fedor Emelianeko
2) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3) Josh Barnett
4) Randy Couture
5) Andrei Arlovski
6) Tim Sylvia
7) Fabricio Werdum
8) Gabriel Gonzaga
9) Mirko CroCop
10) Aleksander Emelianeko

Nog, Werdum, GG are the only ones there.... The rest are in Affliction(Randy will be, and CroCop is in Dream.) Nog has lost to Fedor 2X's, Werdum to Arlovski and Gonzaga to Randy... The UFC's HW's, are not the best in the world period...

[zimmy]

any merit this thread had as a serious discussion went out when you call kimbo god

[Voice of Reason]

LOL

[yannick35]

any merit this thread had as a serious discussion went out when you call kimbo god

Sorry Zimmy i tough you said i called Kimbo a GOD which is far from the thrut, very far from it.

[yannick35]

Well take it from someone who does compete... Ive had 9 MMA fights... Ive competed most of my career at 170lbs but my last two have been at 185 and i plan on staying there(the cut has just become to hard). Im currently 6-3 and i havent fought since last November. Let me just tell you bro, steroids in any sport is not all its cracked up to be... Ive never been "on" a cycle during a fight, and i have only used them a total of 2 times after fights and never right before one... Honestly, i dont feel it makes a difference, it doesnt improve your standup, it doesnt improve you cardio, or your ground game...

I would just like for people to keep in mind of these things before rushing to judgement...

Btw, outta of the top ten HW's in the world

1) Fedor Emelianeko
2) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3) Josh Barnett
4) Randy Couture
5) Andrei Arlovski
6) Tim Sylvia
7) Fabricio Werdum
8) Gabriel Gonzaga
9) Mirko CroCop
10) Aleksander Emelianeko

Nog, Werdum, GG are the only ones there.... The rest are in Affliction(Randy will be, and CroCop is in Dream.) Nog has lost to Fedor 2X's, Werdum to Arlovski and Gonzaga to Randy... The UFC's HW's, are not the best in the world period...

Great points for sure, UFC doesnt have the best HW but there divison doesnt suck either.

I really hope Affliction can keep coming up with great PPV has they did with there first card.

[yannick35]

Forget about Shamrock, I'd like to see Kimbo have to fight Randy Couture

I honestly dont think it will ever happen. Kimbo has to start fighting real MMA fighters.

I would love to see the Couture Fedor fight in Affliction of course

[Doub1e_J]

Strange fight because Kimbo has nothing to gain from it. He should be able to beat Shamcock easily. If he wins then it was to be expected. If Kimbo loses then the youtube legend was beaten by a washed up old timer.

Sadly I will still watch it though.

[WARMachine]

Can we just watch B level fighter Bret Rodgers KO this fool already and FINALLY be done with the whole internet sensation created fighter named "Kimbo Slice" ?

[yannick35]

Can we just watch B level fighter Bret Rodgers KO this fool already and FINALLY be done with the whole internet sensation created fighter named "Kimbo Slice" ?

Well he was mad because he didnt get the fight with kimbo and Thompson did.

That would be a good fight got to admit this Rogers guy is impressive.

[ectomorph28]

This is a huge joke of a fight. Ken hasnt won a meaningful fight in how long? He lost to Tito who hasnt won a meaningful fight in 7 years.

EliteXC is in this to survive and you cant blame them. They wont make any money feeding Kimbo guys like Brett Rogers who most people outside your hardcore fan has never heard of. Shamrock/Kimbo is a huge fight and Kimbo will steamroll Ken in most likely under 1-2 minutes.

[ectomorph28]

Well he was mad because he didnt get the fight with kimbo and Thompson did.

That would be a good fight got to admit this Rogers guy is impressive.

I actually dont think Rogers is impressive at all. I think Kimbo takes him quite easily.

[gooer]

Are you guys really that sure that Kimbo is going to win this? Ken is bad but not THAT bad, he's got ground game, and besides Kimbo really isn't very good. I think this should be an interesting fight.

[gooer]

I actually dont think Rogers is impressive at all. I think Kimbo takes him quite easily.

Wha..??

Brett Rogers = 8 wins 0 losses. He's bigger than Kimbo and didn't get famous by fighting in backyards, he earned it by fighting a cage. I think there's a reason Kimbo is dodging a fight with him.

[g0dsend]

Wha..??

Brett Rogers = 8 wins 0 losses. He's bigger than Kimbo and didn't get famous by fighting in backyards, he earned it by fighting a cage. I think there's a reason Kimbo is dodging a fight with him.

Agreed, that confrontation after the Kimbo/Thompson fight should have lead into the Rogers/Kimbo Fight. Kimbo in my opinion would get dominated.

[quarry206]

i'd kinda like to see ken win and then retire. ken and kimbo are kinda the same right now, u either love them or hate them.. but unlike kimbo ken is a hero of the sport and at his prime was the type of guy people didn't want to fight..

i'd like to see ken win, then retire, because kimbos fall tho for seen daily by many, it will be one remembered. and i'd like to see somebody i grew up watching go out with a fight people will remember..and remember him as a winnier.

i can't lie i like watching kimbo fight. he's fun to watch. but he is not a MMA fighter. ken is, and one of the all time greats. just hope he wins for everybody in the sport.

[WARMachine]

The first time i met Ken Shamrock, he seemed like a decent guy, the second time i bumped into him in my hotel lobby while i was in Saitama for a PRIDE FC 19 event, i came up to him saying "Hey Ken im (well not gonna say this ), we've met before, im mutal friends blah blah blah..." And the prick actually snapped and yelled, "Hey man, cant you see i dont want to talk to anyone?!"

I was kinda taken aback, idk, maybe he was just having a bad day, or w.e., but ever since then ive never liked shamrock.

Between that and his fued with Tito. Dispite this, i respect as a fighter and what hes done for MMA.


That being said, i hope Shamrock can pull it off and go out with his head held high...

[yannick35]

He is going to stand, in all of is recent fights he has kept them standing, and got knocked out.

He just doesnt have it anymore, he seems lost in there, quit sad to see an MMA legend like this going down this way.

At least Royce Gracie got some decent fights, part from that horrible beat down by Matt Hugues at UFC60.

[gooer]

The first time i met Ken Shamrock, he seemed like a decent guy, the second time i bumped into him in my hotel lobby while i was in Saitama for a PRIDE FC 19 event, i came up to him saying "Hey Ken im (well not gonna say this ), we've met before, im mutal friends blah blah blah..." And the prick actually snapped and yelled, "Hey man, cant you see i dont want to talk to anyone?!"

I was kinda taken aback, idk, maybe he was just having a bad day, or w.e., but ever since then ive never liked shamrock.

Between that and his fued with Tito. Dispite this, i respect as a fighter and what hes done for MMA.


That being said, i hope Shamrock can pull it off and go out with his head held high...

wow thats an interesting story. i can't say i'm that surprised he didn't see like that cool of a guy on ultimate fighter season 3. tito was the great coach that visited the house and got involved in the guys lives (and still trains some of them) and ken was distant, mostly a dick and didn't seem to care about the guys at all.

[Dobie-BOY]

Kimbo will crumble the first time he goes to the ground with a ground and pounder.... Kimbo is a gimmic.....

[Bigload]

im picking ken to get his ankle lock cranking.... i do like watching kimbo ko guys.... but u gotta give ken some respect!!!

[BITTAPART2]

munson wants Kimbo bad and is talking smack big time!!! he calls him out for not fighting any good quality foghters, i think munson would take his ass to the ground and rip his arm off or darse the dude with his own beard. But I think I can take Ken Shamrock now, hes like a meathead that has to bounce for a living, hes got nowhere else to make any $$

[BITTAPART2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-UuM...eature=related
str8 to the point, to the point no fakin, cookin mcs like a pound of bacon, sorry

[Philly Grappler]

This is a huge joke of a fight. Ken hasnt won a meaningful fight in how long? He lost to Tito who hasnt won a meaningful fight in 7 years.

EliteXC is in this to survive and you cant blame them. They wont make any money feeding Kimbo guys like Brett Rogers who most people outside your hardcore fan has never heard of. Shamrock/Kimbo is a huge fight and Kimbo will steamroll Ken in most likely under 1-2 minutes.

That is what this whole Kimbo thing boils down to; he was a name EliteXC threw out there to get people to watch. The reason Kimbo hasn't fought any real fighters yet is because he would get destroyed, thus ending EliteXC's money train.

[yannick35]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-UuM...eature=related
str8 to the point, to the point no fakin, cookin mcs like a pound of bacon, sorry

Now that i would really love to see.

[Tony Q]

I believe Ken has a shot at submitting Kimbo...

[sirsmirky]

Hello ALL,
new member here, and this thread interested me because I will be at the fight,
will be glad to share when I get back..

Can't Wait!

[WARMachine]

Thats a waste of money IMO bro....