Rampage Vs. Wand UFC 91

[J-Dogg]

Rumor has it they are adding this card on top of Brock/Randy for the 91 event.

Everyone I've talked to complains that they have seen the fight, than Wandy has Rampages number, that Rampage has a loss coming up.

I look forward to it though. The first 2 fights were all out battles, better than most of the fights you see in the UFC today.

I think Rampage has a good chance of winning. Since the losses he faced in the first 2 battles, his game has improved, he is a far better striker, he’s more accurate and is not looking to just brawl. In 2 of his last 4 fights, he’s beat people that Wandy was not able too. Dan Henderson (Gave Wandy his last defeat in pride) and Chuck Liddel. I know that does not always add up to Rampage beating Wandy because he beat someone who beat him, but I think it shows that Rampage has greatly improved his training and ability.

If Wandy were to face Forrest instead, I really think Forrest would pick him apart also. Forrest is a huge LHW and Wandy a small LHW. Forrest is okay just standing back and jabbing, he’s got a good guard and Wandy being the fighter he is, is not going to try to out BJJ him, he’s going for Kos.

[Panzerfaust]

Rumor has it they are adding this card on top of Brock/Randy for the 91 event.

Everyone I've talked to complains that they have seen the fight, than Wandy has Rampages number, that Rampage has a loss coming up.

I look forward to it though. The first 2 fights were all out battles, better than most of the fights you see in the UFC today.

I think Rampage has a good chance of winning. Since the losses he faced in the first 2 battles, his game has improved, he is a far better striker, he’s more accurate and is not looking to just brawl. In 2 of his last 4 fights, he’s beat people that Wandy was not able too. Dan Henderson (Gave Wandy his last defeat in pride) and Chuck Liddel. I know that does not always add up to Rampage beating Wandy because he beat someone who beat him, but I think it shows that Rampage has greatly improved his training and ability.

If Wandy were to face Forrest instead, I really think Forrest would pick him apart also. Forrest is a huge LHW and Wandy a small LHW. Forrest is okay just standing back and jabbing, he’s got a good guard and Wandy being the fighter he is, is not going to try to out BJJ him, he’s going for Kos.

I stopped reading when you mentioned MMA math....fight A beats fighter B but fighter B beats fighter A.

Wand by KO!

Another stupid matchup...and people complained about Wand vs Sakuraba III...this is no different, they should only fight if it is for a title. The real rumour is Shogun vs Rampage, at least Rampage only got one beatdown from Shogun.

[MuscleScience]

This is turning out to be a pretty good card

[WARMachine]

I stopped reading when you mentioned MMA math....fight A beats fighter B but fighter B beats fighter A.

Wand by KO!

Another stupid matchup...and people complained about Wand vs Sakuraba III...this is no different, they should only fight if it is for a title. The real rumour is Shogun vs Rampage, at least Rampage only got one beatdown from Shogun.

hahaha im gonna have to agree with that. MMAth is the dumbest thing to come into MMA since banning knees to the head of a downed oppenent.

The chute boxe style as a whole owns Rampage...

Shogun and Wand handed Rampage a beating...

I look forward to it though. The first 2 fights were all out battles, better than most of the fights you see in the UFC today.

What fights were you watching?

In the first fight Rampage layed on Wandy for the entire fight. They got stood up, Wandy beat his ass for about a minute, and then knocked Rampage out cold with a series of knees and punches...

The second fight was WAY better... Wandy was winning the standup, Page took it to the ground, and landed some nice punches before the round ended.
Round 2 starts, Wandy starts landing good shots, Page gets a takedown, Wandy gets up, soccer kicks him a few times, Jackson gets up, and Wandy hurts him with a right hand, starts with the Thai clinch, knees him lwith 5 knees and KO's Rampage and leaves him hanging through the ropes in a pool of his own blood...

If by battles you mean Wandy dominated him in both fights, then yeah, they were great battles...

[southmadejd]

Hopefully Rampage has learned how to defend knees to his big ass grape....has anybody heard an update on his arrest or anything?

[WARMachine]

Yeah hes been charged with two felonies...

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...=6966&zoneid=3

crazy stuff...

[Coop77]

Hopefully he won't be in jail

[J-Dogg]

I point out that I understand that MMATH does not mean much. But given that he has beaten 2 top fighters that have recently beaten Wandy does show that Rampage maybe has improved or Wandy is not the dominate fighter he once was in Pride, or maybe, and probably both. I think it makes for a closer fight.

The “post pride” chute box style, short of Anderson Silva has done awful in the UFC, probably the reason there marquee fighters have since left chute box. Given Rampages victories in the UFC, and chute boxes lack of, it makes for a more interesting fight post pride.

It would be different if Shogun and Wandy walked though everyone as most people expected (me included) in the 205 class. Fact is though; they have 1 win together this year. I think a matchup against either of them plays out in Rampages favor for now.

[Amorphic]

i thought dana white was going to keep rampage off the ufc until all of his legal/psychiatric problems were resolved

[BG]

Another stupid matchup...and people complained about Wand vs Sakuraba III...this is no different, they should only fight if it is for a title. The real rumour is Shogun vs Rampage, at least Rampage only got one beatdown from Shogun.

Very true.

[WARMachine]

I point out that I understand that MMATH does not mean much. But given that he has beaten 2 top fighters that have recently beaten Wandy does show that Rampage maybe has improved or Wandy is not the dominate fighter he once was in Pride, or maybe, and probably both. I think it makes for a closer fight.

The “post pride” chute box style, short of Anderson Silva has done awful in the UFC, probably the reason there marquee fighters have since left chute box. Given Rampages victories in the UFC, and chute boxes lack of, it makes for a more interesting fight post pride.

It would be different if Shogun and Wandy walked though everyone as most people expected (me included) in the 205 class. Fact is though; they have 1 win together this year. I think a matchup against either of them plays out in Rampages favor for now.

Look who they have fought! Your arguement holds no water. How does the matchup favor Rampage now? You cant just say that and suddenly its true.


Shogun lost to the current Champ, who like it or not, is the best 205er in the world!

Wandy has only lost to Chuck, who, is making ANOTHER run at the title...

This fight is gonna be more of the same...

Wandy by KO

[J-Dogg]

Look who they have fought! Your arguement holds no water. How does the matchup favor Rampage now? You cant just say that and suddenly its true.


Shogun lost to the current Champ, who like it or not, is the best 205er in the world!

Wandy has only lost to Chuck, who, is making ANOTHER run at the title...

This fight is gonna be more of the same...

Wandy by KO

Wandy has lost 3 of his last 4 fights. Chucky is making a run....He beat Wandy and lost 2 of his last 3 fights. Wandy had 2 losses in 6 years (from 2000 to 2006) but since then has a record of 4 losses to 3 wins. He is not dominating the LHW catagory like he did in pride in 2004 when he beat Quinton.

Jackson has won 6 of his last 7 fights including including victories over the Pride LHW champ and the UFC LHW champ. With his lost to Forrest being questioned, I belive Sherdog and MMAWeekly has him scoring a win on points.

Can you honestly say that Rampage has not improved his game since 2004?

[zimmy]

With his lost to Forrest being questioned, I belive Sherdog and MMAWeekly has him scoring a win on points.

lol being questioned? Um no...oh and another thing... sherdog? I hold more water in the opinions of the local group at hooters talking sh*t about how good they could be in the ring from behind there beer mugs.

[J-Dogg]

lol being questioned? Um no...oh and another thing... sherdog? I hold more water in the opinions of the local group at hooters talking sh*t about how good they could be in the ring from behind there beer mugs.

There was a lot of speculation in regaurds to who scored better in rounds of that fight. The judges gave Forrest round 1 and I belive that was the biggest part of the speculation, as a lot of people has page 10/9 in round 1.

Sherdog and MMAweekly (the web page not the message boards.....) scored the fight different in the play by play coverage, both had Page as the winner. I realize that may not hold presedence to you, but it's off the subject anyway. The point was that Rampages 1 lost in his last 7 fights was a close loss.

[WARMachine]

Wandy has lost 3 of his last 4 fights. Chucky is making a run....He beat Wandy and lost 2 of his last 3 fights. Wandy had 2 losses in 6 years (from 2000 to 2006) but since then has a record of 4 losses to 3 wins. He is not dominating the LHW catagory like he did in pride in 2004 when he beat Quinton.

Jackson has won 6 of his last 7 fights including including victories over the Pride LHW champ and the UFC LHW champ. With his lost to Forrest being questioned, I belive Sherdog and MMAWeekly has him scoring a win on points.

Can you honestly say that Rampage has not improved his game since 2004?

Wandys last three loses have been to CroCop (former Open-weight Champ, not to mention he is a top 10 HW) then to Hendo (who is the most decorated champion EVER, right behind Randy Couture, and the fight was for the title) and finally Chuck, who has been a top 3 205er for the last 5 years and making a run at the title... And the fight won F.O.Y honors!


Yes, Rampage has looked good since his beatings at the hands of Wandy and Shogun, but not so much in his last fight...

[J-Dogg]

Wandys last three loses have been to CroCop (former Open-weight Champ, not to mention he is a top 10 HW) then to Hendo (who is the most decorated champion EVER, right behind Randy Couture, and the fight was for the title) and finally Chuck, who has been a top 3 205er for the last 5 years and making a run at the title... And the fight won F.O.Y honors!


Yes, Rampage has looked good since his beatings at the hands of Wandy and Shogun, but not so much in his last fight...

Wandy had a good run, and he did face some really hard fights. He gave up a lot of wieght to CC. Hendo was on spot the entire fight when he beat Wandy and the Wandy / Chuck fight was close I think Wandy was just undersized and lacked aggression, but has seemed to gain some of that back judging from the pounding Jardin got.

4 years prior, Wandy had a draw with CC and beat Hendo, in the same period is when he beat Jackson as well. I'm a huge Wandy fan, I just feel that Jackson has a legitamate shot at winning given his improments, recent wins over quality opponets and Wandy does not seem as dominate as he was earlier in his career.

[WARMachine]

True...

I will agree he has a better shot, but its still a slim one...

Rampage seems to be regressing... The Hendo fight was EXTREMELY close( i feel Dan couldve taken that fight) and Rampage did not look that great, not to mention the loss to Forrest where he looked awful!

Now with being charged with two felonies, who knows where his mind is...

Whereas Wandy is coming off a brutal KO win over Keith and had a war with Chuck and he looks hungry for wins...

This has the making of a classic Wandy KO...

[BG]

Yes, Rampage has looked good since his beatings at the hands of Wandy and Shogun, but not so much in his last fight...

Looked intimidated a little. Like in pride vs Wandy and Shogun.

[yannick35]

I really dont understand all of theses analysis and critics, i guess i would be the only one enjoying this great fight addition to UFC 91, i was and always am a Pride fan, still sad that the company closed, but i have to admit that UFC has gotten a lot better then it was.

I know that they already fought twice, once at the GP finals in 2003 and later again that year, Wandy won both fights, the first time he destroyed Rampage and the second time it took him a little longer.

Wandy is not the same fighter he was, Dan Henderson is one of the best fighters out there but he got tagged has mister decision because at that time almost all is fights went to decision, what happens he fights Wandy and knocks him out.

If rampage is intelligent he will come in with a different gameplan this time around.

I am not predicting anything for this fight, who knows it might even end with a decision.

[False Positive]

Although I would prefer to see Rampage get wrecked by Shogun, Wandy will do. Anyone down playing this fight is insane! Two of the premeire names in the sport and two of the very best at 205. What were you hoping for Nate Quarry vs. Pete Sell II or maybe Leben vs. Terry Martin II? Get over it and enjoy what promises to be a fight of the year candidate.

[Panzerfaust]

I point out that I understand that MMATH does not mean much. But given that he has beaten 2 top fighters that have recently beaten Wandy does show that Rampage maybe has improved or Wandy is not the dominate fighter he once was in Pride, or maybe, and probably both. I think it makes for a closer fight.

The “post pride” chute box style, short of Anderson Silva has done awful in the UFC, probably the reason there marquee fighters have since left chute box. Given Rampages victories in the UFC, and chute boxes lack of, it makes for a more interesting fight post pride.

It would be different if Shogun and Wandy walked though everyone as most people expected (me included) in the 205 class. Fact is though; they have 1 win together this year. I think a matchup against either of them plays out in Rampages favor for now.

You fail to mention some seriously important details

Out of all the Pride fighters coming to the UFC, Wanderlei was the ONLY one who did not take or receive a "warm up" fight ala

Rampage: Eastman
CroCop: Eddie Sanchez
Nog: Herring
Gono: McCormick
Shogun: Forrest (was supposed to be a warmup. lol)

Wanderlei: Chuck Liddell

Not to mention coming off a hellacious OWGP schedule fighting HW's, getting KTFO by a completely on point CroCop, dropping a loss to Hendo by KO (sick as shit but whatever, its a loss)....leaves Chute Boxe, moves to the US.

That is alot of change for anyone, let alone a fighter getting ready to redebut back inside the Octagon against one of the LHW's top fighters in the world in Chuck Liddell.

Wanderlei's conditioning was good for his return, what he lacked was sparring and a gameplan. He had no sparring partners for that fight which is why he is now at Extreme Couture and is part of the Pro team and trains with everyone with Forrest being his main sparring partner.

We didn't get to see much since he KTFO Jardine in 33 seconds but that was his first fight in the UFC in which he trained with the Pro team and had sparring partners.

I will be the first to say Wanderlei will not "walk" through Rampage. It can be a good fight with some back and forth action but I want to see new matchups not old rehashed Pride matchups. Let them fight if one of them has the title. Other then that..the matchup is a ****ing joke and the exact thing people bashed Pride for doing (ie: giving Sakuraba 3 shots at Wanderlei when he lost them all).

[WARMachine]

^^^ Vaild points all around...