oli thompson vs brock lesnar

[24tyrone]

what do you guys think

who would win
brock lesnar or oli thompson

he was 2006 britains strongest man and hes a strong guy and now hes in mma

theyre both big strong heavyweights

[BgMc31]

5X Worlds Strongest Man, Mariusz Pudzianowski also is going into MMA.

http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/ope...SM_to_MMA.html

[BgMc31]

Here's a video of Oli Thompson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vkD0UQXbG0

[Flagg]

MMA is becoming a free for all now.

[BG]

5X Worlds Strongest Man, Mariusz Pudzianowski also is going into MMA.

http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/ope...SM_to_MMA.html

He couldnt stop using gear. If he stopped juicing now it would probably take 2 years for him to piss clean .

[BG]

MMA is becoming a free for all now.

You know what buddy, it is mma but when it comes down to it its just fighting. Now dont get me wrong, it take talet training ect, ect. But a good natural fighter can do pretty well in mma.

[bighital]

Brock would Kick Oli ass...Oli just dont have it...

[24tyrone]

ye ai agree
basically if you know how to fight

you jus gotta learn a few submissions and your good to go

[BgMc31]

He couldnt stop using gear. If he stopped juicing now it would probably take 2 years for him to piss clean .

THAT'S BLASPHEMY!!! LOL!!! I agree though!!! Mariusz is probably the greatest strongman ever (sans Bill Kazmaier), but the crossover into MMA is crazy. Kinda reminds me of Micheal Jordan's stint in baseball and we all know how that turned out!!!

[redz]

Lesnar by dominance. He would just take him down and pound the crap out of him until ref stoppage.

[southmadejd]

Is this a joke?

[Hunter]

ye ai agree
basically if you know how to fight

you jus gotta learn a few submissions and your good to go

yeah thats it, a few subs and your good to go.

[J-Dogg]

yeah thats it, a few subs and your good to go.

Honestly, I personally think of all professional sports, MMA is probably the most physically inclined and the quickest to learn.

A top notch athlete could certaintly compete at a professional level right now, with 1 year of full time training.

People forget Forrest Griffen was a officer, with zero MMA training 4 months prior to TUF.

It will be that way for awhile too.

Your top tier athletes have the choice of NFL, NBA,MLB, NHL, they can get full rides through college off these. They can play for 15-20 years, making millions of dollars a year, millions more in promotions.

Or they can drop out of college, try to get on TUF and make 100k, maybe a career with 10 million if they are one of the best in the world.

I'm not taking anything away from MMA, I think it's great. But it requires less skill than most sports, even boxing requires more technical skill and training.

[Hunter]

Honestly, I personally think of all professional sports, MMA is probably the most physically inclined and the quickest to learn.

A top notch athlete could certaintly compete at a professional level right now, with 1 year of full time training. Yeah you can do the samething in boxing doesnt mean your going to win.
People forget Forrest Griffen was a officer, with zero MMA training 4 months prior to TUF. thats false

It will be that way for awhile too.

Your top tier athletes have the choice of NFL, NBA,MLB, NHL, they can get full rides through college off these. They can play for 15-20 years, making millions of dollars a year, millions more in promotions.

Or they can drop out of college, try to get on TUF and make 100k, maybe a career with 10 million if they are one of the best in the world.

I'm not taking anything away from MMA, I think it's great. But it requires less skill than most sports, even boxing requires more technical skill and training.

Off the top of my head I can think of over 50 ways to finish a single leg i.e wrestling and thats not even trying. Bjj same way its insane, how many finishes to even an armbar. Before you bring up brock lesner he is an insane athlete and was a talented wrestler before that a corner store of mma.

why has bob sapp lived up to everything since a football player can come in and dominate or a talented striker like ludwig? Everyone under estimates mma techincal level.

[J-Dogg]

Off the top of my head I can think of over 50 ways to finish a single leg i.e wrestling and thats not even trying. Bjj same way its insane, how many finishes to even an armbar. Before you bring up brock lesner he is an insane athlete and was a talented wrestler before that a corner store of mma.

why has bob sapp lived up to everything since a football player can come in and dominate or a talented striker like ludwig? Everyone under estimates mma techincal level.

Bob Sapp is a awfully poor example.

He does not train MMA, he prides himself on his "beast style" of fighting because it's his nitch and what makes him marketable.... He has to stay 325lbs, and fight like a gorilla or he's just another guy rolling on the mat.

I've boxed since my young teens and I've trained BJJ for 2 years now, and even if you know every leg lock in the world, you can train to defend them in a fraction of the time it takes to learn them.

Athletic ability is very very important, GSP would be a crappy wrestler if he was not so athletic. He would not get 80% of his take downs if he was not so explosive and powerful for a 170lbs. Faber literally wins all his fights of sheer athletic ability.

Even Quiton Jackson use to be a consistent top contender in Pride with just raw athletic ability. He had some wrestling back ground, but he walked onto the mat and was the 3rd best in the state with no training.

Some people will just have that athletic ability to walk on and win, some can train forever and not ever be on top.

Royce Gracie is a prime example, the guy is the pitamy of BJJ skill. Has trained more than anyone his age ever could, he was born on a mat and his father put him in a arm bar before he breached his mothers vagina. He was completely dominated by Huhges who is consistently dominated today.

Mir and Brock is a perfect example also. Mir is one of the smartest, more dedicated athlete to the art of MMA, learning all the time, technically no one is probably superior to Mir, and no one has more knowledge than him. Yet he is completely dominated by a guy with 4 fights under his belt simply because he is/was bigger, faster and stronger.

[BgMc31]

MN_Fighter,

You and I have had this discussion a thousand times in the past. I think the point people are trying to make is guys like Brock are bringing the level of technical skill in MMA down. While no one is disputing that BJJ is very technical and takes years to learn, it's doesn't necessarily have to be a cornerstone of your repetoire to be an effective MMA fighter. It seems to many that just sheer power, strength, and athleticism can (not necessarily,will) allow you to be successful in MMA.

But what people fail to realize is a fighter is a special breed of person. It's easy to learn how to throw a punch or kick, but something altogether to take one.

[Hunter]

Bob Sapp is a awfully poor example.

He does not train MMA, he prides himself on his "beast style" of fighting because it's his nitch and what makes him marketable.... He has to stay 325lbs, and fight like a gorilla or he's just another guy rolling on the mat.

I've boxed since my young teens and I've trained BJJ for 2 years now, and even if you know every leg lock in the world, you can train to defend them in a fraction of the time it takes to learn them.

Athletic ability is very very important, GSP would be a crappy wrestler if he was not so athletic. He would not get 80% of his take downs if he was not so explosive and powerful for a 170lbs. Faber literally wins all his fights of sheer athletic ability.

Even Quiton Jackson use to be a consistent top contender in Pride with just raw athletic ability. He had some wrestling back ground, but he walked onto the mat and was the 3rd best in the state with no training.

Some people will just have that athletic ability to walk on and win, some can train forever and not ever be on top.

Royce Gracie is a prime example, the guy is the pitamy of BJJ skill. Has trained more than anyone his age ever could, he was born on a mat and his father put him in a arm bar before he breached his mothers vagina. He was completely dominated by Huhges who is consistently dominated today.

Mir and Brock is a perfect example also. Mir is one of the smartest, more dedicated athlete to the art of MMA, learning all the time, technically no one is probably superior to Mir, and no one has more knowledge than him. Yet he is completely dominated by a guy with 4 fights under his belt simply because he is/was bigger, faster and stronger.

Yeah he is athletic but its his timing that is amazing and the way he flows which allows his takedowns more then anything.

In a shit wrestling state. Do you really believe that would have happened in cali, oklahoma, minn, iowa?

That was not a prime gracie(not that it would have made a difference. Also hughes is a very good bjj artist and has competed and done well in no gi tournys.

Werdum, Nog, Penn, Mia all superior in techinque to Mir

[Brown Ninja]

BJ Penn would beat him.

[J-Dogg]

Yeah he is athletic but its his timing that is amazing and the way he flows which allows his takedowns more then anything.

In a shit wrestling state. Do you really believe that would have happened in cali, oklahoma, minn, iowa?

That was not a prime gracie(not that it would have made a difference. Also hughes is a very good bjj artist and has competed and done well in no gi tournys.

Werdum, Nog, Penn, Mia all superior in techinque to Mir

I bet you've never lost a conversation in your life

[BG]

Yup J I agree. Im not taking anything away from MMA or the fighters, but with a good high school wrestling back ground, being tough you can do well in this sport. Thing is with MMA, you can find very good coach's with ease. Have some natural talet and a good team can make you a good fighter.

[lostcause]

unless you are playing quaterback, football requirs the least amount of skill out of any major sport. but i do love it!

[BgMc31]

unless you are playing quaterback, football requirs the least amount of skill out of any major sport. but i do love it!

That is the most assinine comment I've ever read!!!! You must have never played it!!!

[illwillogical]

That is the most assinine comment I've ever read!!!! You must have never played it!!!

I hear you claim to be former NFL. Do you hide your identity?

[BgMc31]

I've never posted my real name, but I have posted pics. I wasn't a big time player or anything. Mostly special teams, practice squad, cut mid season a couple times, that kind of guy.

Plus I've been out the league for 10yrs now.

[lostcause]

That is the most assinine comment I've ever read!!!! You must have never played it!!!

there is no way of ever proving any of this from either side. to compete at the highest level of any sport takes a great deal of talent, training, skill, and genetics. this is my point. hypothetical: if you take a high school kid (17) who is 6ft 185 lbs who has never played any sport, rank in order wich one of these he would be able to compete in the earliest: baseball, football, basketball, mma, golf.

1.football 2. basketball 3. mma 4. baseball 5. golf

yes i have played/coached football my whole life and am an avid fan. ive seen kids with absolutly no experience playing football be able to walk on the field and compete for starting jobs immediately. you dont see that in any of these other sports, thats my point. in football, speed and size trumps technique, in the others technique trumps speed and size.

[BgMc31]

You are talking high school sports and I don't know what state you are from that what you are saying doesn't always apply, especially in football happy states like Texas, California, and Florida where natural talent is abundant. Unlike any other sport, no one can come from high school and be an effective football player, regardless of talent. And there has been very very very few athletes that have come to professional athletes from other sports and were successful. The NFL has many athletes (track stars, basketball players, wrestlers, etc.) who thought because they have natural ability they could play the sport. The vast majority have failed!!!!!

If you are referring to high school sports, then your theory applies to just about every sport but golf. A good athlete will excel at just about any sport in a small talent pool. But at the professional level, to say football needs the least amount of technique and skill then you truly don't know the game, regardless of how long you've coached. I've been there, I've seen it!!!

[J-Dogg]

there is no way of ever proving any of this from either side. to compete at the highest level of any sport takes a great deal of talent, training, skill, and genetics. this is my point. hypothetical: if you take a high school kid (17) who is 6ft 185 lbs who has never played any sport, rank in order wich one of these he would be able to compete in the earliest: baseball, football, basketball, mma, golf.

1.football 2. basketball 3. mma 4. baseball 5. golf

yes i have played/coached football my whole life and am an avid fan. ive seen kids with absolutly no experience playing football be able to walk on the field and compete for starting jobs immediately. you dont see that in any of these other sports, thats my point. in football, speed and size trumps technique, in the others technique trumps speed and size.

lol your 1-5 is WAAAAAY (wtf) off.

1. Golf - Probably the least physically dependent sport there is

2. Baseball - Hitting a 100MPH fast ball, does not require a ton of muscle, but great coordination and tons of practice, throwing one 100MPH takes more technique than muscle.

3. Basketball- requires a ridiculous amount of skill. Strength and size helps with posting and rebounding, but it's a very skilled game.

4. Football- a over powering lineman can be good, with just raw strength, but it takes more than just speed and strength to play most positions.


Look at the best players ever in these sports, Tiger Woods, Micheal Jordan, Babe Ruth, Joe Montana.

Any of those guys strike you as genetic freaks?

As far as MMA, the only guy you can really say has been "the best" who has not lost a lot of fights recently would be Fedor, and is the guy we are mostly debating here. Most of your good veteran fighters, are loosing to younger, more athletically gifted fighters. MaCheeta, BJ and Spider are really the MMA guys who are winning off of a skill set and not just athletic ability.

[J-Dogg]

You are talking high school sports and I don't know what state you are from that what you are saying doesn't always apply, especially in football happy states like Texas, California, and Florida where natural talent is abundant. Unlike any other sport, no one can come from high school and be an effective football player, regardless of talent. And there has been very very very few athletes that have come to professional athletes from other sports and were successful. The NFL has many athletes (track stars, basketball players, wrestlers, etc.) who thought because they have natural ability they could play the sport. The vast majority have failed!!!!!

If you are referring to high school sports, then your theory applies to just about every sport but golf. A good athlete will excel at just about any sport in a small talent pool. But at the professional level, to say football needs the least amount of technique and skill then you truly don't know the game, regardless of how long you've coached. I've been there, I've seen it!!!

This guy is 100% correct. Who has ever came out of High School and done well in football?

All very good points.

[lostcause]

lol your 1-5 is WAAAAAY (wtf) off.

1. Golf - Probably the least physically dependent sport there is

2. Baseball - Hitting a 100MPH fast ball, does not require a ton of muscle, but great coordination and tons of practice, throwing one 100MPH takes more technique than muscle.

3. Basketball- requires a ridiculous amount of skill. Strength and size helps with posting and rebounding, but it's a very skilled game.

4. Football- a over powering lineman can be good, with just raw strength, but it takes more than just speed and strength to play most positions.


Look at the best players ever in these sports, Tiger Woods, Micheal Jordan, Babe Ruth, Joe Montana.

Any of those guys strike you as genetic freaks?

As far as MMA, the only guy you can really say has been "the best" who has not lost a lot of fights recently would be Fedor, and is the guy we are mostly debating here. Most of your good veteran fighters, are loosing to younger, more athletically gifted fighters. MaCheeta, BJ and Spider are really the MMA guys who are winning off of a skill set and not just athletic ability.

you basically said the same thing that i did. i was ranking based on wich sport took the most technical skill, not athletic ability. sorry, i type so slow i forget the point im trying to convey.

[lostcause]

You are talking high school sports and I don't know what state you are from that what you are saying doesn't always apply, especially in football happy states like Texas, California, and Florida where natural talent is abundant. Unlike any other sport, no one can come from high school and be an effective football player, regardless of talent. And there has been very very very few athletes that have come to professional athletes from other sports and were successful. The NFL has many athletes (track stars, basketball players, wrestlers, etc.) who thought because they have natural ability they could play the sport. The vast majority have failed!!!!!

If you are referring to high school sports, then your theory applies to just about every sport but golf. A good athlete will excel at just about any sport in a small talent pool. But at the professional level, to say football needs the least amount of technique and skill then you truly don't know the game, regardless of how long you've coached. I've been there, I've seen it!!!

im from one of the states where football is king (GA) and the talent pool is extremely deep. alot of the reason athletes cannot come out of HS into the nfl is because they havent had time for their bodies to develop. the difference in HS (18) and nfl (22) bodies is dramatic. it is common for freshmen to come in and put on 20lbs of muscle and add 100lbs to their maxs in one year. their bodies are nowhere near fully developed at 18 and they have only a fraction of the strength and size they will get in the next 2-3 yrs. football requires you to be more physical than technical. so even when their skills reach pro level they have to wait on their bodies to reach pro level, this is not the case in any other sport.