Andersom silva ,p4p the best

**icepick27** · 08-09-2009, 09:59 AM

is there still any people that say hes not ? that is what a p4p cham does move up a weight class fight the best and knock them out , i have the up most respect for this man awsome fighter ,great sportsmanship

**Tambit24** · 08-09-2009, 10:19 AM

If he takes down GSP now there will be no doubt in my mind.

**icepick27** · 08-09-2009, 10:24 AM

i love gsp , i have watch him since his first fight ,he is the man and i think he is definlitly #2 p4p in the world , but ANDERSON is way bigger then he and a better stiker gsp will get kod

**Biohazard74** · 08-09-2009, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tambit24

If he takes down GSP now there will be no doubt in my mind.

That will never happen to begin with. Although Anderson looked a bit on the heavy side last night i really think he hits twice as hard at it. BUt i definately dont think he can ever go down to even 180. I knew he'd win against forrest but i definately didnt expect that humiliation. He toyed with Forrest and even stood there a couple of times for forrest to hit um. Forrest is'nt the hardest puncher in the world but he "IS" a 20 lb bigger fighter. & was the world champion. IMO this win was even way more impressive than Machidas win over Evans. I honestly believe he is the best fighter in the world at the moment p4p.

**lostcause** · 08-09-2009, 03:06 PM

no doubt about him being p4p the best. i would rather see him stay at 205 and become a true lhw and face all of the challengers in that division vs cutting back down to 180 for one fight. i would be more excited about the middle weight division with him out of the picture. its like the PGA, you cant appriciate how good everyone is because one fighter is so far ahead of everyone else. anderson can afford a loss or two at 205 and still be #1 p4p, imo.

**Tjohn6231** · 08-09-2009, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by icepick27

i love gsp , i have watch him since his first fight ,he is the man and i think he is definlitly #2 p4p in the world , but ANDERSON is way bigger then he and a better stiker gsp will get kod

I agree. Joe Rogan said last night that Silva walks around at 220 lbs when hes not cutting weight. Hes just too big for GSP. I think Silva's striking is better than GSP. It would be an awesome fight though.

**Tambit24** · 08-09-2009, 04:23 PM

How bout if fedor dropped down to 205 and they met up?????

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 08-09-2009, 04:33 PM

i was there last night and ill tell ya a couple times it looked like forrest just fell down...but then on that last punch it looked the same way..till the replay. He caught forrest right on the chin. It was a quik jab but placed perfectly..and im thinkin thats what happend the other two times forrest fell.
"At first i thought "Wtf, he threw that fight"
I dont think so now though

**Hunter** · 08-09-2009, 04:36 PM

It would be very very hard to argue against anderson being the pound for pound best after that performance. Although I expected more and am still wondering what happened, I would rank anderson as the pound for pound best then gsp then fedor.

**Hunter** · 08-09-2009, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by lostcause

no doubt about him being p4p the best. i would rather see him stay at 205 and become a true lhw and face all of the challengers in that division vs cutting back down to 180 for one fight. i would be more excited about the middle weight division with him out of the picture. its like the PGA, you cant appriciate how good everyone is because one fighter is so far ahead of everyone else. anderson can afford a loss or two at 205 and still be #1 p4p, imo.

I dont think he could afford the loses esp in pound for pound ranking. I really agree with the pga analogy. I dont see him staying at 205, becouse he wont Machida so all he would do is keep knocking off contenders for Machida to fight. It was like horn was fighting, he wouldnt fight rich at 185 so he was just knocking off potential contenders.

**lostcause** · 08-09-2009, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by mn_fighter

I dont think he could afford the loses esp in pound for pound ranking. I really agree with the pga analogy. I dont see him staying at 205, becouse he wont Machida so all he would do is keep knocking off contenders for Machida to fight. It was like horn was fighting, he wouldnt fight rich at 185 so he was just knocking off potential contenders.

machida, tho extremely impressive, hasnt defended the title yet and the LHW belt seems to be extremely slippery. idk how long he will be champion, tho he could go on a run like AS/GSP/bj and be champ for years but i think highly unlikely in the 205 division. personally i would like for him to loose (nothing personal) and drop down to 185 and mix things up down there. i would love to see the machida-rich rematch, and him fight wandy, hendo, and vetor. AS vs any of these guys doesnt really interest me. i wouldve said AS vs wand but against AS aggression kills and would prob look alot like last nite.

**icepick27** · 08-10-2009, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Tambit24

How bout if fedor dropped down to 205 and they met up?????

i think it would be a good fight but fedor would loose ..anderson silva is alot taller and longer the fedor, fedor ain t that big . fedors best bet it to take it to the ground

**quarry206** · 08-10-2009, 07:59 AM

i think the p4p debate is always dumb, because there are way way too many factors to put into it. I mean i guess you can make a list of who is great p4p.. but to say best, there are way too many factors..

gsp,bj penn, fedor, randy C, Machida...........

**quarry206** · 08-10-2009, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by icepick27

i think it would be a good fight but fedor would loose ..anderson silva is alot taller and longer the fedor, fedor ain t that big . fedors best bet it to take it to the ground

icepick, usually i don't disagree with you totally. i just feel u have different views then most.. but we are all just playing off of what we have seen or know personally ...

but that statement is complete garbage.. ok u know i can see where u could think fedor would not beat lesner, i don't think it , but it is not un-logical.. but to think silva could beat fedor, is CRAZY... i think you really really need to watch some videos of fedor, or see his long history of beating people of crazy height and size..

we are all pissed fedor is not coming to the UFC, but lets not pretend that makes him garbage..

**lostcause** · 08-10-2009, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by quarry206

i think the p4p debate is always dumb, because there are way way too many factors to put into it. I mean i guess you can make a list of who is great p4p.. but to say best, there are way too many factors..

gsp,bj penn, fedor, randy C, Machida...........

its just something to debate and can never really be proven. its like babe ruth vs barry bonds, jordan vs lebron, ali vs rocky. its just for fun and intrieging conversations. btw, AS is without a doubt p4p #1.

**quarry206** · 08-10-2009, 09:12 AM

the only reason i'll disagree is because GSP is an amazing talent that i don't think should be left out.. and though people will give me shit about this, i don't think fedor can be left out, and 'IF' he comes over to the UFC within the next two years and beats lesner or carwin.. i think he will go down as the best p4p

but i will agree AS is such an amazing talent, and honestly a really great guy it seems as a person. AS and GSP are surely up there as p4p best ever, and also up there as probably the two best guys to lead the sport

**Brown Ninja** · 08-10-2009, 11:35 AM

GSP has fought WAY better competition. Anderson enters the conversation again after that last performance but is still a fight out to me.

**lostcause** · 08-10-2009, 11:49 AM

GSP has lost to serra (nobody) just 2 yrs ago and has beaten hughes and serra, neither are relavent anymore, fitch and alves by decision (both dominating proformances tho) and a p4p ranked bj penn, who was alot smaller.

AS has won 10 strait in the ufc (record) and has whiped out an entire division of top contenders (finished 8 of them, cote injury) and has beaten 3 guys exchamps.

and you say that he still has to prove himself? if you dont think he is p4p the best, thats fine, just dont use the "hasnt fought anybody" excuse bc that is ludacris.

**Tambit24** · 08-10-2009, 07:07 PM

^^^^ very good points.

**quarry206** · 08-10-2009, 07:26 PM

well like we agree its a debate for fun.. we can never prove or dis prove it... i think the last fighter to prove his ability to fight anywhere was Roy jones jr. (boxing).. and though he is fighting way past his prime and probably f*cking up his legend status himself.. he was the last person to be able to fight at give or take 40pounds and win all the titles..

as far as MMA yes silva is surely in the top of the P4P list.. and he proved that he could do more than just dance around the ring this last weekend..

but though GSP lost to serra, what makes that loss different is he himself openly admitts thats what put him from good fighters to being better.. he lost and was shown a weakness.. and fixed it.. and in MMA u will lose, and it is how u come back and learn from what u did wrong... in MMA you will lose, more than a few times.. it is how u learn and come back from that in which u become great

GSP is just as much as a P4P as silva.. and tho i would put penn in the talks he is not in the talks for the number one slot..

**icepick27** · 08-11-2009, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by quarry206

icepick, usually i don't disagree with you totally. i just feel u have different views then most.. but we are all just playing off of what we have seen or know personally ...

but that statement is complete garbage.. ok u know i can see where u could think fedor would not beat lesner, i don't think it , but it is not un-logical.. but to think silva could beat fedor, is CRAZY... i think you really really need to watch some videos of fedor, or see his long history of beating people of crazy height and size..

we are all pissed fedor is not coming to the UFC, but lets not pretend that makes him garbage..

i seen almost all of fedors fights , and i think he is real good just not as good as every one makes him out to be , i know anderson beating fedor is a little bit of A stretch , but not by a landslide ,if fedor came down in weight and stood next to anderson , he would look small for one , 2 his stand up is light years above fedors , 3 hes longer and has a huge reach on fedor , 4 he has way better defense standing up then fedor ,5 he has way better kicks and knees then fedor 6 and his footwork would make fedor look silly ,fedor is better on the ground thats it , fedor would have to put him on the ground and beat him down there standing up silva has the edge ,i hear what your saying quarry ,and u make more sense then alot of these guys ,but all iam saying that it wouldnt be such a miss match

**Biohazard74** · 08-11-2009, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Brown Ninja

GSP has fought WAY better competition. Anderson enters the conversation again after that last performance but is still a fight out to me.

I must tell you that this is the "WORST" comment you have ever said

Anderson is fighting and has fought the best at 2 weight clases. One of which he looks fat as hell at. Im going to have to agree with lostcause here.

**icepick27** · 08-11-2009, 07:43 AM

quarry206 .... O and i dont have differnt veiws then most , iam shure if we talked about 10 fighters we would agree 9 out of 10 times about them , and the one being fedor iam just not a fan i just think he is way overrated ,but i do give credit were credit is due , he is great and he is good , but p4p is all about what you have done lately ,and again i know i say this alot but lately he has done nothing , and dont dare say Andre arloski and tim sylvia ...

**icepick27** · 08-11-2009, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by biohazard74

i must tell you that this is the "worst" comment you have ever said

Anderson is fighting and has fought the best at 2 weight clases. One of which he looks fat as hell at. Im going to have to agree with lostcause here.

agree^^^^^^ HOW CAN HE SAY ANDERSON DIDNT FIGHT NO ONE

**quarry206** · 08-11-2009, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by icepick27

quarry206 .... O and i dont have differnt veiws then most , iam shure if we talked about 10 fighters we would agree 9 out of 10 times about them , and the one being fedor iam just not a fan i just think he is way overrated ,but i do give credit were credit is due , he is great and he is good , but p4p is all about what you have done lately ,and again i know i say this alot but lately he has done nothing , and dont dare say Andre arloski and tim sylvia ...

i was refering to most on this board as fair as difference of opinion.... mainly because most people on this board watch mma when ufc wasn't anything.. so now that ufc is the king of MMA now, for alot of people we just don't like people forgeting what made MMA the sport it is today as fair as talent. dana white just learned how to market it.

to be honest i'm a lesner fan just as you. i think he is an amazing athlete and a great HW, i just don't see him beating fedor, but it doesn't mean i dislike lesner, or even think fedor is unbeatable, i only think lesner wouldn't .. and as for silva, i agree with you i think he is amazing too, i also am a big fan and was really hoping he did something this fight to show everybody he was great (which he did)....

and just like everybody we can only say our opinion since none of this has or probably will ever happen... but silva is a natural 205-210 guy.. fedor for a weigh in could get to 205.. but fedor wouldn't lose any strength. and fedor is a stronger and better striker, maybe not as fast, or as great at dodging.. but could trade punches better... as far as height, fedor is 6foot, silva 6'2'' so no real size difference... and on the ground, fedor takes ground and pound to a whole new level..... so though i agree with you I think silva is one of the three people in the running for best active p4p person.. i don't think u can put him up against fedor, who is also in the running.. because of the weight difference is way too much for compairing.

i think silva is amazing, and not being able to fedor does not make him any less amazing.. but there is a degree of of weight jump that is not able to compair... it is not fair to silva to ever even to think about a fight like that..

**lostcause** · 08-11-2009, 10:04 AM

anderson would have a dominant reach advantage and the best striking in all of mma, and fedor has KO power and a great chin, but is not neccesarily great at the stand up game. he keeps his hands real low and relies on his power when he is on his feet. him at 205 and cutting weight for the first time in his life, he will most def lose alot of strength.

on the other side fedor has the best g&p in mma, not neccesarily wrestling but inflicts more damage on the ground than anyone else. AS is succeptable to takedowns, but no1 has been able to inflict any damage, mostly bc his bjj is so good.

i would go with AS on this one, but i wouldnt put any money on this one bc i see it going either way.

**100m champ** · 08-11-2009, 03:19 PM

The fight that has too be made is Gsp Vs Silva! And Fedor will never Fight in the Ufc he has no interest and has a personal dispute with Dana White

**icepick27** · 08-11-2009, 06:59 PM

i love gsp and i love anderson silva , but iam not a fan of gsp vs anderson silva ,i just think that silva is to big and a mismatch for gsp he is alot bigger even if the met at 185.silva is alot bigger he can be a small heavy weight if he wanted , and gsp would be a small 185 not big on this match but i understand

**Brown Ninja** · 08-12-2009, 12:03 AM

Cote is overrated as hell. Thales just lost to Sakara. Leben has a hard head but is terrible. Marquardt is legit. Lutter is a mutt. Franklin is a very good fighter. Hendo is a legend and if he fights smart he can beat Silva.

**Biohazard74** · 08-12-2009, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by Brown Ninja

Cote is overrated as hell. Thales just lost to Sakara. Leben has a hard head but is terrible. Marquardt is legit. Lutter is a mutt. Franklin is a very good fighter. Hendo is a legend and if he fights smart he can beat Silva.

Maybe at 185 he had a chance. At 205 he is done. Hendo lost to Rampage, Rampage lost to Forrest. Forrest out smarted him the whole fight basically. And Forrest was made a joke of by Silva. IMO the only one that has a chance at 205 with Silva(because of his quickness and punching power) is probably Rashad Evans(call me crazy). And Machida of course.

**lostcause** · 08-12-2009, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Brown Ninja

Cote is overrated as hell. Thales just lost to Sakara. Leben has a hard head but is terrible. Marquardt is legit. Lutter is a mutt. Franklin is a very good fighter. Hendo is a legend and if he fights smart he can beat Silva.

what is your point?

**Brown Ninja** · 08-12-2009, 08:41 PM

that his opponenets have not been as good as GSP's

**lostcause** · 08-13-2009, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Brown Ninja

that his opponenets have not been as good as GSP's

if you honestly think that man than there is no convincing you with logic. they both have faught great competition and exceled, thats the reason they are #1 and #2, and not 3 and 4 like machida and fedor (machida after 2 more wins vs top contenders will def make it a hard call; fedor cant steak his claim until he comes to the ufc).

**icepick27** · 08-13-2009, 08:35 AM

^^^^^agree

**bigdog65** · 08-13-2009, 09:55 AM

Honestly guys i do not think Anderson should overlook Dan Henderson. The last time they met besides the fact Anderson made him tap was that Dan won that first round. I dont think Anderson can put Hendo down with a punch or kick, that man had a chin of steel. But as much as I like Hendo, Anderson would prolly submit him like last time. But hey you never know.

**Hunter** · 08-14-2009, 10:56 AM

Win Thiago Alves Decision (Unanimous) UFC 100 - Lesnar vs. Mir 2 7/11/2009 5 5:00
Win B.J. Penn TKO (Corner Stoppage) UFC 94 - St. Pierre vs. Penn 2 1/31/2009 4 5:00
Win Jon Fitch Decision (Unanimous) UFC 87 - Seek and Destroy 8/9/2008 5 5:00
Win Matt Serra TKO (Knees to the Body) UFC 83 - Serra vs. St. Pierre II 4/19/2008 2 4:45
Win Matt Hughes Verbal Submission (Armbar) UFC 79 - Nemesis 12/29/2007 2 4:54
Win Josh Koscheck Decision (Unanimous) UFC 74 - Respect 8/25/2007 3 5:00
Loss Matt Serra TKO (Punches) UFC 69 - Shootout 4/7/2007 1 3:25
Win Matt Hughes TKO (Head Kick and Punches) UFC 65 - Bad Intentions 11/18/2006 2 1:25
Win B.J. Penn Decision (Split) UFC 58 - USA vs Canada 3/4/2006 3 5:00
Win Sean Sherk TKO (Punches and Elbows) UFC 56 - Full Force 11/19/2005 2 2:53
Win Frank Trigg Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 54 - Boiling Point 8/20/2005 1 4:09
Win Jason Miller Decision (Unanimous) UFC 52 - Couture vs Liddell 2 4/16/2005 3 5:00
Win Dave Strasser Submission (Kimura) TKO 19 - Rage 1/29/2005 1 1:52
Loss Matt Hughes Submission (Armbar) UFC 50 - The War of '04 10/22/2004 1 4:59
Win Jay Hieron TKO (Punches) UFC 48 - Payback 6/19/2004 1 1:42
Win Karo Parisyan Decision (Unanimous) UFC 46 - Supernatural 1/31/2004 3 5:00
Win Pete Spratt Submission (Rear Naked Choke) TKO 14 - Road Warriors 11/29/2003 1 3:40
Win Thomas Denny TKO (Cut) UCC 12 - Adrenaline 1/25/2003 2 4:45
Win Travis Galbraith TKO (Elbows) UCC 11 - The Next Level 10/11/2002 1 2:03
Win Justin Bruckmann Submission (Armbar) UCC 10 - Battle for the Belts 2002 6/15/2002 1 3:23
Win Ivan Menjivar TKO (Punches) UCC 7 - Bad Boyz 1/25/2002 1 4:50

Win Forrest Griffin KO (Punch) UFC 101 - Declaration 8/8/2009 1 3:23
Win Thales Leites Decision (Unanimous) UFC 97 - Redemption 4/18/2009 5 5:00
Win Patrick Cote TKO (Knee Injury) UFC 90 - Silva vs. Cote 10/25/2008 3 0:39
Win James Irvin KO (Punches) UFC - Fight Night 14 7/19/2008 1 1:01
Win Dan Henderson Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 82 - Pride of a Champion 3/1/2008 2 4:52
Win Rich Franklin TKO (Knees) UFC 77 - Hostile Territory 10/20/2007 2 1:07
Win Nate Marquardt TKO (Punches) UFC 73 - Stacked 7/7/2007 1 4:50
Win Travis Lutter Submission (Elbows) UFC 67 - All or Nothing 2/3/2007 2 2:11
Win Rich Franklin KO (Knee) UFC 64 - Unstoppable 10/14/2006 1 2:59
Win Chris Leben KO (Knee) UFC - Ultimate Fight Night 5 6/28/2006 1 0:49
Win Tony Fryklund KO (Elbow) CR 16 - Critical Condition 4/22/2006 1 2:02
Loss Yushin Okami DQ (Illegal Kick) ROTR 8 - Rumble on the Rock 8 1/20/2006 1 2:33
Win Curtis Stout KO (Punches) CR 14 - Punishment 12/3/2005 1 4:59
Win Jorge Rivera TKO (Knees and Punches) CR 11 - Face Off 4/30/2005 2 3:53
Loss Ryo Chonan Submission (Flying Scissor Heel Hook) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 3:08
Win Lee Murray Decision (Unanimous) CR 8 - Knights of the Octagon 9/11/2004 3 5:00
Win Jeremy Horn Decision (Unanimous) Gladiator FC - Day 2 6/27/2004 3 5:00
Win Waldir dos Anjos TKO (Corner Stoppage) CF 1 - Conquista Fight 1 12/20/2003 1 5:00
Loss Daiju Takase Submission (Triangle Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 8:33
Win Carlos Newton KO (Flying Knee and Punches) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 1 6:27
Win Alexander Otsuka Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 22 - Beasts From The East 2 9/29/2002 3 5:00
Win Alex Stiebling TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 1 1:23
Win Roan Carneiro Submission (Punches) Meca 6 - Meca World Vale Tudo 6 1/31/2002 1 N/A
Win Hayato Sakurai Decision (Unanimous) Shooto - To The Top 7 8/26/2001 3 5:00
Win Israel Albuquerque Submission (Strikes) Meca 5 - Meca World Vale Tudo 5 6/9/2001 1 6:17
Win Tetsuji Kato Decision (Unanimous) Shooto - To The Top 2 3/2/2001 3 5:00
Win Claudionor Fontinelle TKO (Strikes) Meca 4 - Meca World Vale Tudo 4 12/16/2000 1 4:35

Notable wins in bold, decent wins in italics.

I personally give the edge to anderson becouse he has moved up a weight class and had wins, I think gsp has fought better overall compeitition.

When Anderson fought Newton he was passed his prime imho. Leites just lost to sakara who is a c level fighter and beat Cote who is a b level fighter. Still I give him a slight edge just becouse of moving up although I think gsp is the more dominant champion at his weight class.

**Hunter** · 08-14-2009, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by mn_fighter

Win Thiago Alves Decision (Unanimous) UFC 100 - Lesnar vs. Mir 2 7/11/2009 5 5:00
Win B.J. Penn TKO (Corner Stoppage) UFC 94 - St. Pierre vs. Penn 2 1/31/2009 4 5:00
Win Jon Fitch Decision (Unanimous) UFC 87 - Seek and Destroy 8/9/2008 5 5:00
Win Matt Serra TKO (Knees to the Body) UFC 83 - Serra vs. St. Pierre II 4/19/2008 2 4:45
Win Matt Hughes Verbal Submission (Armbar) UFC 79 - Nemesis 12/29/2007 2 4:54
Win Josh Koscheck Decision (Unanimous) UFC 74 - Respect 8/25/2007 3 5:00
Loss Matt Serra TKO (Punches) UFC 69 - Shootout 4/7/2007 1 3:25
Win Matt Hughes TKO (Head Kick and Punches) UFC 65 - Bad Intentions 11/18/2006 2 1:25
Win B.J. Penn Decision (Split) UFC 58 - USA vs Canada 3/4/2006 3 5:00
Win Sean Sherk TKO (Punches and Elbows) UFC 56 - Full Force 11/19/2005 2 2:53
Win Frank Trigg Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 54 - Boiling Point 8/20/2005 1 4:09
Win Jason Miller Decision (Unanimous) UFC 52 - Couture vs Liddell 2 4/16/2005 3 5:00
Win Dave Strasser Submission (Kimura) TKO 19 - Rage 1/29/2005 1 1:52
Loss Matt Hughes Submission (Armbar) UFC 50 - The War of '04 10/22/2004 1 4:59
Win Jay Hieron TKO (Punches) UFC 48 - Payback 6/19/2004 1 1:42
Win Karo Parisyan Decision (Unanimous) UFC 46 - Supernatural 1/31/2004 3 5:00
Win Pete Spratt Submission (Rear Naked Choke) TKO 14 - Road Warriors 11/29/2003 1 3:40
Win Thomas Denny TKO (Cut) UCC 12 - Adrenaline 1/25/2003 2 4:45
Win Travis Galbraith TKO (Elbows) UCC 11 - The Next Level 10/11/2002 1 2:03
Win Justin Bruckmann Submission (Armbar) UCC 10 - Battle for the Belts 2002 6/15/2002 1 3:23
Win Ivan Menjivar TKO (Punches) UCC 7 - Bad Boyz 1/25/2002 1 4:50

Win Forrest Griffin KO (Punch) UFC 101 - Declaration 8/8/2009 1 3:23
Win Thales Leites Decision (Unanimous) UFC 97 - Redemption 4/18/2009 5 5:00
Win Patrick Cote TKO (Knee Injury) UFC 90 - Silva vs. Cote 10/25/2008 3 0:39
Win James Irvin KO (Punches) UFC - Fight Night 14 7/19/2008 1 1:01
Win Dan Henderson Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 82 - Pride of a Champion 3/1/2008 2 4:52
Win Rich Franklin TKO (Knees) UFC 77 - Hostile Territory 10/20/2007 2 1:07
Win Nate Marquardt TKO (Punches) UFC 73 - Stacked 7/7/2007 1 4:50
Win Travis Lutter Submission (Elbows) UFC 67 - All or Nothing 2/3/2007 2 2:11
Win Rich Franklin KO (Knee) UFC 64 - Unstoppable 10/14/2006 1 2:59
Win Chris Leben KO (Knee) UFC - Ultimate Fight Night 5 6/28/2006 1 0:49
Win Tony Fryklund KO (Elbow) CR 16 - Critical Condition 4/22/2006 1 2:02
Loss Yushin Okami DQ (Illegal Kick) ROTR 8 - Rumble on the Rock 8 1/20/2006 1 2:33
Win Curtis Stout KO (Punches) CR 14 - Punishment 12/3/2005 1 4:59
Win Jorge Rivera TKO (Knees and Punches) CR 11 - Face Off 4/30/2005 2 3:53
Loss Ryo Chonan Submission (Flying Scissor Heel Hook) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 3:08
Win Lee Murray Decision (Unanimous) CR 8 - Knights of the Octagon 9/11/2004 3 5:00
Win Jeremy Horn Decision (Unanimous) Gladiator FC - Day 2 6/27/2004 3 5:00
Win Waldir dos Anjos TKO (Corner Stoppage) CF 1 - Conquista Fight 1 12/20/2003 1 5:00
Loss Daiju Takase Submission (Triangle Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 8:33
Win Carlos Newton KO (Flying Knee and Punches) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 1 6:27
Win Alexander Otsuka Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 22 - Beasts From The East 2 9/29/2002 3 5:00
Win Alex Stiebling TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 1 1:23
Win Roan Carneiro Submission (Punches) Meca 6 - Meca World Vale Tudo 6 1/31/2002 1 N/A
Win Hayato Sakurai Decision (Unanimous) Shooto - To The Top 7 8/26/2001 3 5:00
Win Israel Albuquerque Submission (Strikes) Meca 5 - Meca World Vale Tudo 5 6/9/2001 1 6:17
Win Tetsuji Kato Decision (Unanimous) Shooto - To The Top 2 3/2/2001 3 5:00
Win Claudionor Fontinelle TKO (Strikes) Meca 4 - Meca World Vale Tudo 4 12/16/2000 1 4:35

Notable wins in bold, decent wins in italics.

I personally give the edge to anderson becouse he has moved up a weight class and had wins, I think gsp has fought better overall compeitition.

When Anderson fought Newton he was passed his prime imho. Leites just lost to sakara who is a c level fighter and beat Cote who is a b level fighter. Still I give him a slight edge just becouse of moving up although I think gsp is the more dominant champion at his weight class. Just my two cents anyway.

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**J-Dogg** · 08-14-2009, 03:27 PM

I'm just going to slap you all in the face to get my point across......

the HW class is SO WEAK no HW can even be considered the top P4P champion.

They can't exactly "move up" a weight class because they cleaned out the class.

Fedor did in Pride/K1 but he has 2 fights since then to what I feel "unworthy" true contenders.

Even if Fedor beats Lesnar who has a wooping 5 MMA fights now, he can't even be considered better than Anderson or GSP for that matter, because the lack of talent in the HW class.

Not only is Anderson cleaning out his weight class in impression fashion, he is starting on the next class up and in just as impressive fasion. It's worse than watching Urisian Bolt sprint against high school kids.

What's more impressive even, is Anderson is not a real huge, strong or athletic guy. He is winning off just talent. Just pure smart moves, and the most well placed punches in MMA. He makes the shots look effortless. Even Fedor was getting punched around by AA before Fedor caught him.

**Hunter** · 08-14-2009, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by J-Dogg

I'm just going to slap you all in the face to get my point across......

the HW class is SO WEAK no HW can even be considered the top P4P champion.

They can't exactly "move up" a weight class because they cleaned out the class.

Fedor did in Pride/K1 but he has 2 fights since then to what I feel "unworthy" true contenders.

Even if Fedor beats Lesnar who has a wooping 5 MMA fights now, he can't even be considered better than Anderson or GSP for that matter, because the lack of talent in the HW class.

Not only is Anderson cleaning out his weight class in impression fashion, he is starting on the next class up and in just as impressive fasion. It's worse than watching Urisian Bolt sprint against high school kids.

What's more impressive even, is Anderson is not a real huge, strong or athletic guy. He is winning off just talent. Just pure smart moves, and the most well placed punches in MMA. He makes the shots look effortless. Even Fedor was getting punched around by AA before Fedor caught him.

I agree I posted up anderson and gsp records just so you people can look at the opponents and judge for themselves. I agree As is the best p4p fighter I stated that after he beat forrest so badly

**southmadejd** · 08-14-2009, 10:34 PM

^^Dude wasn't Carlos Newton like 30 or 29 when he fought Silva? Correct me if I am wrong but that sounds right around the prime age.

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