Diet on SD cycle...

**edgarr** · 05-02-2006, 01:05 PM

I am about to start a SD cycle on Monday 20/20/20/20. I started taking milk thistle, FF Niacin and Hawthorn Berry this week and will continue it throughout the cycle. I also take multi-vitamin, V-c, calcium and gultamine. I am ending a 2 week on/off cycle of clen and plan on running clen my first 2 weeks with SD and then off the last 2 weeks of SD and back on for the first 2 weeks of PCT. I am 5'9, 185, 15% BF. Here is my current diet, what do you think of this diet while on SD and should it change during PCT??? Thanks.

6:00
5 egg whites
20gm oatmeal
15gm whey protein
Cal 201.88 Protein 32 Carbs 19.5 Fat 1.5

9:00
1 can tuna
10ml of Flaxseed oil
Cal 386 Protein 65 Carbs 0 Fat 11.8

12:00
8oz chicken breast
15gm whey protein
10ml Flaxseed oil
Cal 356 Protein 58 Carbs 3 Fat 12

3:00
1 can tuna
10ml of Flaxseed oil
Cal 386 Protein 65 Carbs 0 Fat 11.8

6:00 Pre-Work out
28gm whey protein
5ml flaxseed oil
Cal 143.2 Protein 23 Carbs 2 Fat 4.6

6:45-7:45 WorkOut

8:00
45gm whey protein
80g dextrose
1 banana
Cal 555 Protein 36 Carbs 110 Fat 0

9:30
170gm of cottage cheese
5ml Flaxseed oil
Cal 163 Protein 19.5 Carbs 6 Fat 6.1

Total
Cal 2191 Protein 298.5 Carbs 140.5 Fat 47.8

**rissinite** · 05-02-2006, 01:08 PM

This to me looks like a cutting diet. I followed a clean bulk with a ton of clean calories and put on 13lbs of solid muscle. You will not gain fat on Superdrol if you eat clean. My advice to you would be to up the calories another 1000-1200 with the foods you already have listed....just more of them

**1buffsob** · 05-02-2006, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by rissinite

This to me looks like a cutting diet. I followed a clean bulk with a ton of clean calories and put on 13lbs of solid muscle. You will not gain fat on Superdrol if you eat clean. My advice to you would be to up the calories another 1000-1200 with the foods you already have listed....just more of them

That's debatable. Extremely debatable.

1buffsob

**lc1987** · 05-02-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by 1buffsob

That's debatable. Extremely debatable.

1buffsob

agree. i read a lot of sd log and some people gain about 3-4 of fat during cycle but some look "leaner" after cycle. depends on the diet i beleive.

**1buffsob** · 05-02-2006, 01:23 PM

You can still gain fat on any compound, whether it be SD or 1g of test and 500mg tren . Just because the food you eat is clean, doesn't mean you won't put on fat. If it did, I wouldn't be in my 7th week of cutting.

1buffsob

**lc1987** · 05-02-2006, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by 1buffsob

You can still gain fat on any compound, whether it be SD or 1g of test and 500mg tren . Just because the food you eat is clean, doesn't mean you won't put on fat. If it did, I wouldn't be in my 7th week of cutting.

1buffsob

i have a question though. how come some people on this board said that they are leaner after coming off sd cycle.

**edgarr** · 05-02-2006, 01:27 PM

What I am trying to get done here is to lose some BF while keeping muscle. I would be happy if I put on 5-6lbs of muscle and went down a few points of BF. I understand that SD can have some diuretic effects in the first couple of weeks/cycle. I know someone that ran SD for 4 weeks and looks like he only put on water weight (although a lot). I am thinking that by controlling my diet I can put on muscle instead. But I have been told not to think so much!

**1buffsob** · 05-02-2006, 01:28 PM

Some people come leaner off any type of cycle, not just SD. It depends on the diet.

1buffsob

**abokeef** · 05-02-2006, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by 1buffsob

Some people come leaner off any type of cycle, not just SD. It depends on the diet.

1buffsob

So, You mean if you are on AAS and you are doing a cutting cycle, would youkeep ur cals low. Lets say bodywieght X 15. and keep the protine intake high about 1.5X bodywight.

**1buffsob** · 05-02-2006, 02:12 PM

Umm, no. Where did you get these figures?

I base all my macros off of LBM, not bodyweight. 1.35g protein per lb of LBM is my standard. Fats and carbs depend upon time frame and goals. Also, I don't think aas would warrant a different approach to cutting.

1buffsob

**crash187ct** · 05-02-2006, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by 1buffsob

That's debatable. Extremely debatable.

1buffsob

i agree

**crash187ct** · 05-02-2006, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by 1buffsob

Some people come leaner off any type of cycle, not just SD. It depends on the diet.

1buffsob

and genetics

**1buffsob** · 05-02-2006, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by crash187ct

and genetics

Yeah, but that doesn't count since I don't have them.

1buffsob

**Venum** · 05-02-2006, 02:34 PM

if someone wants to up their calories alot without adding too much fat to their diet, how do you do it? You only need so much protein per day, so what is left just eat alot of carbs to up calories?

**1buffsob** · 05-02-2006, 02:40 PM

Venum's got it. I'm all for pushing the protein 'envelope' when bulking. But if your carbs aren't adequate enough to provide continious energy, your body turns on protein for a fuel source, and that's just a waste of protein. Gotta have those carbs.

1buffsob

**rissinite** · 05-02-2006, 04:39 PM

All I was saying is that based on what he is eating in his diet, along with the timing, he will not put on fat. Granted, if he goes 1000 cals above maintenance it could be an issue, but he could go 300-500 above maintenace and have EXTREMELY MINIMAL fat gain at most. He's got a solid diet, solid approach, my advice was to use the SD with the same approach, just more calories of the already listed foods.

**edgarr** · 05-02-2006, 10:26 PM

so where should I add cals. Should I add more carbs, I could double the oatmeal in the meal 1, or add some in my pre work out, or find a protein that has some carbs or.....?????? I don't think that adding 1000 more cals would help. Knowing my body I would put on unwanted weight. thanks.

Edgar

**mwolffey** · 05-03-2006, 08:55 AM

add more oatmeal to meal 1...and if you can add another pro/complex carb meal after your post wokout shake...like tuna or chicken, and some brown rice????that would bump up carbs to a better level....and be sure to get those carbs on SD, it depletes carbs pretty well from what i hear, so the more, the better....but what bob says is truem the more protein...the better....good luck bro

**rissinite** · 05-03-2006, 02:03 PM

Here's what I'd do... in caps. And feel free to look at my SD log in the supplement forum...good shit there.

Originally Posted by edgarr

6:00
5 egg whites
20gm oatmeal
15gm whey protein
Cal 201.88 Protein 32 Carbs 19.5 Fat 1.5
MAKE IT 10 EGG WHITES, LOSE THE WHEY, AND DOUBLE THE OATS

9:00
1 can tuna
10ml of Flaxseed oil
Cal 386 Protein 65 Carbs 0 Fat 11.8
GOOD

12:00
8oz chicken breast
15gm whey protein
10ml Flaxseed oil
Cal 356 Protein 58 Carbs 3 Fat 12
NO NEED TO SUPPLEMENT WITH WHEY HERE, JUST GET A BREAST AND A HALF... FOOD IS MORE OPTIMAL IF YOU CAN GET IT...WHICH YOU CAN

3:00
1 can tuna
10ml of Flaxseed oil
Cal 386 Protein 65 Carbs 0 Fat 11.8
GOOD....MAN YOU'RE GONNA GET SICK OF FLAX THOUGH

6:00 Pre-Work out
28gm whey protein
5ml flaxseed oil
Cal 143.2 Protein 23 Carbs 2 Fat 4.6
I ALWAYS LIKE A SMALL PRO/CARB MEAL BEFORE WEIGHTS, B/C I HATE FEELING FULL WHILE WORKING OUT (FROM THE FAT); WHEY WITH GROUND OATS WORKS WELL

6:45-7:45 WorkOut

8:00
45gm whey protein
80g dextrose
1 banana
Cal 555 Protein 36 Carbs 110 Fat 0
GOOD

9:30
170gm of cottage cheese
5ml Flaxseed oil
Cal 163 Protein 19.5 Carbs 6 Fat 6.1
I WOULD RECOMMEND A BETTER PROTEIN SOURCE FOR PPWO THAN COTTAGE CHEESE. SHOULD BE CHICKEN, EGG WHITES OR TUNA HERE
Total
Cal 2191 Protein 298.5 Carbs 140.5 Fat 47.8

Remember, just because your goal is to gain a little mass while maintaining a "hard" look doesn't mean that you should restrict your carbs while on SD. Do some research as many on this board will say carbs should be elevated while running SD. I think you could get away with substituting your meals 2 and 4 with PRO/CARB instead of PRO/FAT, but that's just from my experience with SD.

**mwolffey** · 05-03-2006, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by rissinite

Here's what I'd do... in caps. And feel free to look at my SD log in the supplement forum...good shit there.

Remember, just because your goal is to gain a little mass while maintaining a "hard" look doesn't mean that you should restrict your carbs while on SD. Do some research as many on this board will say carbs should be elevated while running SD. I think you could get away with substituting your meals 2 and 4 with PRO/CARB instead of PRO/FAT, but that's just from my experience with SD.

ditto...from what i hear, carbs are best with SD