whey prot vs gainer shake doubts?!?

[blazerelf]

Hi I'm 5,10 ECTOMorph weigting 150lb.
Clearly my goal is to gain weight and I have used Gainer since I began lifting and it has helped me alot (slowly but has), but I keep getting told that gainers are garbage full of filler and to use protein shake by itself; When using common sence from the calories facts i can tell pure whey prot is low in fats and carbs which makes it kind of less usefull for me on gaining weight, has no carbs and no fat which is something I really need in my diet,specially when skinny and aiming to gain weight; people say I should just add my own oats and maybe some scoops of fish oil to make it more calorie rich, but the issue with this is that I already do this to my gainers since almost the beggining.

I would split my gainer shake in 3 meals each composed of about 35g prot+ one cup oat+2 scoops fish oil+ 1 ounce of turkey meat on eahc of them them; the gainer by itself has its own carbs and fat so + what i added make it even richer in nutrietns of all type and still I would barely build 2-5lb a month; so imagine if I used a whey prot instead with oats and fish oil it would be hundreds of calories less than when i used gainer and increasing the dose of oats to compensate would be simply crazy, just imagine yourself eating 2 CUPS!of oat with each of the 3 shakes, 1 cup is already really dense imagine consuming double to compensate the fact pure whey has almost no carb, how could this logically make me gain more than a gainer?!?

Also I predict people will say to eat real food, and my answer to that before someone bother saying this will be, I eat 3 other meals beside the suplemental 3 shakes which = 6 meals a day; and to show its not a bunch of junk food ill post them:
**Macros:calories/fat/carb/prot

MEAL1
1 cup rice/ aprox 3-4 oz chicken/beef/fish/turkey +Brocolli or salad
455cal/10g/53g/35g

MEAL 2
1 cup rice/ aprox 3-4 oz chicken/beef/fish/turkey + brocolli or salad
455cal/10g/53g/35g

MEAL 3
3 whole medium eggs
3 oz chicken
335cal/16g/1g/42g

MEAL 4,5,6
[SHAKE+1 CUP oat+2 scoop fish oil+ 1 ounce turkey (On each)
the nutritional fact on this would vary if i use gainer or whey prot and would be:
If gainer=1087/36/148/60
if whey prot=687/33/44/58

Based on this fact i want to know if it is better to use whey even tought It will clearly reduce alot my calories (by 400 calories!) and Im aiming to gain or using it is alright, and if the answer is that I should use whey prot then why? and how could something with less calories would make me gain? beside whatever suggestion you all feel i should fix or so is all welcome.Thanks.

The gainer shake names is G-mass incase someone wants to check its ingredient and calorie facts.

[Windex]

You need to remove the link as per forum rules. It would be better to just make your own weight gainer shake:

- Protein Powder
- Peanut Butter
- Oats
- Milk
- Maybe a banana
- Blend away.

[gbrice75]

^^^ this. Those pre made gainers usually have more shit in them that you've never heard of than anything else I can think of. Well those and bars.

[oscarjones]

Yeah, if you want a higher fat content in your whey try Muscle Milk.

[Daveman]

The biggest problem with premade gainers is that they lack alot of micronutritional density, instead they focus on massive amounts of calories through sources like sugars, which aren't bad persay, however a home-made gainer will usually be much "rounder" and better overall.


My personal recommendation has always been custom MRP shakes.

My go to formula is always
- Protein Powder of Choice'
- Peanut Butter
- Whole Oat Flour
- Spinach


Most people get scared off by the spinach however the other 3 ingredients are more than enough to make a nutritionally dense and calorically dense shake.

[blazerelf]

You need to remove the link as per forum rules. It would be better to just make your own weight gainer shake:

- Protein Powder
- Peanut Butter
- Oats
- Milk
- Maybe a banana
- Blend away.

it woul d still be lesss calories than with gainer, I Would be eating still less, as said when I use to take gainer i added 1 cup to each shake (3 in total) and milk too (forgot to state i do put milk on them..); about peanut butter I already take like 2 scoops fish oil per shake and a total of 144g fat per meal, IDK but don't you think it already pritty enough fat for a diet? and should be more worried of getting carbs?; about banana its a good option but still it would give like..30g carbs? so pritty much no matter how i try to create a new shake from whey, it will always have hundreds of calories less and too thick; beside way more expensive; idk man but i feel their is too much to lose there unless ur trying to be lean or so, but im going for the gains.

[blazerelf]

The biggest problem with premade gainers is that they lack alot of micronutritional density, instead they focus on massive amounts of calories through sources like sugars, which aren't bad persay, however a home-made gainer will usually be much "rounder" and better overall.


My personal recommendation has always been custom MRP shakes.

My go to formula is always
- Protein Powder of Choice'
- Peanut Butter
- Whole Oat Flour
- Spinach


Most people get scared off by the spinach however the other 3 ingredients are more than enough to make a nutritionally dense and calorically dense shake.

wouldn't a 1 cup oat shake with also 2 scoops fish oil be already too thick and fatty to be adding peanut butter?

[gbrice75]

wouldn't a 1 cup oat shake with also 2 scoops fish oil be already too thick and fatty to be adding peanut butter?

Uh, more water, or whatever the liquid of choice is?

[blazerelf]

Uh, more water, or whatever the liquid of choice is?

Man i think u commented on my before post called (hOW TO BOOST my apetite?!??! help!) where I was stating the shake was very dense and filled me alot that by the time next meal(3 hours later) i would still be kinda satisfied because of the oat and its fibre; so now imagine adding more water to it + a thick peanut butter, that kinda hard man lol. I guess the best i can do without forcing my body too far to vomit or forcing food way too much would be to some how reduce my activity level and maybe eat an extra 1.5 cup of rice + 2 cups more of milk.