For those who train in the morning before eating..

[Back In Black]

i never train(lifting weights) on empty stomach. to weak to make make gains and potential for injury. now cardio on empty stomach is different story which i do quite often. but even then i will take in amino acids and/or protein shake. no one should not eat before training with weights

Man, you really need to some reading and stop believing the bro science bullshit.

[Giggle]

Hey GB - things are going well. Some days I have time to go train after work, but for the other days I've been fine training about 0530. I've tried amino tabs and/or a protein shake, but sometimes I just train fasted. I've been feeling great and training hard either way!

[gbrice75]

Hey GB - things are going well. Some days I have time to go train after work, but for the other days I've been fine training about 0530. I've tried amino tabs and/or a protein shake, but sometimes I just train fasted. I've been feeling great and training hard either way!

Awesome Giggle!! As long as you're training (and feeling great) ....

[ickythump]

I'm very busy so I workout when I can, that said it's usually 5an when the gym opens... when I was deciding to do that I did my own research but I got a lot of he'll from gbrice sms I think 405?? I never lose any stamina or strength (I log my workouts) fasted or not but if you're debating on am workouts it's definitely worth trying either method...... this thread has covered most bases it appears, I was just tossing in my two cents because when I was reading threads I was really just looking for as many opinions as possible :-)

[gbrice75]

I'm very busy so I workout when I can, that said it's usually 5an when the gym opens... when I was deciding to do that I did my own research but I got a lot of he'll from gbrice sms I think 405??

Probably 405, lol. You joined in 2012, I had already been running IF (and therefore, training fasted) since 2011, so I wouldn't have given ya crap about it, lol.

[ickythump]

Probably 405, lol. You joined in 2012, I had already been running IF (and therefore, training fasted) since 2011, so I wouldn't have given ya crap about it, lol.

geezz.... stupid phone man...I meant help from not hell..... that sns should have been and :/ that said, someone who had a monitor or vet tag definitely trashed me!!

[gbrice75]

geezz.... stupid phone man...I meant help from not hell..... that sns should have been and :/ that said, someone who had a monitor or vet tag definitely trashed me!!

Ahh, gotcha man. Well with the bold in mind, I'm *still* going with 405. Bahahaha!!!

[ickythump]

Ahh, gotcha man. Well with the bold in mind, I'm *still* going with 405. Bahahaha!!!

for an update, I noticed great results with IF and fasted am lifting ( definitely used bcaa's) but after a month I felt I was losing muscle, after 2 months I was positive, but I read about cycling fasting if you have that problem, I'll try and find a link to it

oops, meant to add that you could be right about 405 Lolol I don't recall his position on all that now tho

[gbrice75]

for an update, I noticed great results with IF and fasted am lifting ( definitely used bcaa's) but after a month I felt I was losing muscle, after 2 months I was positive, but I read about cycling fasting if you have that problem, I'll try and find a link to it

oops, meant to add that you could be right about 405 Lolol I don't recall his position on all that now tho

He's all into it now. Fasting, etc.

[ickythump]

He's all into it now. Fasting, etc.

gooood, goooooooood...... let the fasting related hormones flow thru you, 405

[theRZA]

hey GB you still running IF? and if so, have you had success running a bulk with it?

[mockery]

hey GB you still running IF? and if so, have you had success running a bulk with it?

Bulking on if comes down to one thing. can you consume ur bulking calories in a small window ie: can you eat 1000calories of whole food in a sitting then again in 2 hours then again in 2 hours?

if the answer is yes, then you could bulk on IF.

Ideally though if you want to "bulk" just eat, people spend to much time paralyzing themselves with what they read online. it really is as simple as getting calories in.

IF would only be a option if for some reason ie: you're a chef at work and you cant really eat during work hours or something.

[MyteeJ]

Great to see some others who "have to" work out early am to fit it in.

I'm up at 4am and on the gym floor by 5:30 am. 5 egg whites, vitamins, coffee, "green" drink and BCAA's prior to the workout. I tried two pieces of whole grain bread with my morning meal but that was too much for me.

I consume a heavier carb meal the night before but I don't know if I actually benefit from it for the workout the next morning.

[ickythump]

gbrice just recommended I try a cab heavy meal before bed ( I'd be using aas tho)....I did fasted workouts when cutting, but itstopped working after, two months u think, I kept going and it cost me muscle.... I'll look at it as a kick start to a cut next time

[kelkel]

Just saw this thread. People really train in the morning without eating? What's wrong with them?

[sawyer86]

Every third week i have to train i the morning. Up at 5am training at 6am. Once im up and have my coffee im ok. Protein shake with instant oats soon as i open my eyes.

[gbrice75]

Just saw this thread. People really train in the morning without eating? What's wrong with them?

In my own case, early morning is the only opportunity I have to train. Certainly not my preference, but I have no choice. I've trained both fed and fasted. The problem with eating beforehand is the fact there's simply not enough time for digestion/assimilation to occur, so I really don't reap the benefits of a good am meal. It will blunt muscle breakdown however, and aid in the PWO recovery process.

[ickythump]

kel it's obv not a building thing, and I tailored it to my body's response, I stoped bebefitting after a bit but before that it was great, next cut I'll lead into it do IF with dated workouts for a month or two then climb into a bulk

[mockery]

Just saw this thread. People really train in the morning without eating? What's wrong with them?

I grow just fine with out eating before i work out with early morning training wich is usually 90 minutes. 3 cups of water, 1 shot of cofee and 10g bcaa before during and after training. PWO meal with in 1-2 hours of my work out.

trying to eat then lift 15 minutes later is a bigger issue in my mind.

Food isnt fuel for your body.

[kelkel]

In my own case, early morning is the only opportunity I have to train. Certainly not my preference, but I have no choice. I've trained both fed and fasted. The problem with eating beforehand is the fact there's simply not enough time for digestion/assimilation to occur, so I really don't reap the benefits of a good am meal. It will blunt muscle breakdown however, and aid in the PWO recovery process.

kel it's obv not a building thing, and I tailored it to my body's response, I stoped bebefitting after a bit but before that it was great, next cut I'll lead into it do IF with dated workouts for a month or two then climb into a bulk

I grow just fine with out eating before i work out with early morning training wich is usually 90 minutes. 3 cups of water, 1 shot of cofee and 10g bcaa before during and after training. PWO meal with in 1-2 hours of my work out.

trying to eat then lift 15 minutes later is a bigger issue in my mind.

Food isnt fuel for your body.

How dare you guys take me seriously about anything! Let's not make a Mockery out of this!

[mockery]

gbrice just recommended I try a cab heavy meal before bed ( I'd be using aas tho)....I did fasted workouts when cutting, but itstopped working after, two months u think, I kept going and it cost me muscle.... I'll look at it as a kick start to a cut next time

cutting will lose muscle regardless, even at 1lb a week of body weight you will start losing lbm, using large amounts of aas is the only way to combat this along with having a great prep coach.

biggest problem internet weekend warriors have is they never get big enough before they "cut" so they start small and end up smaller. Cutting properly should have you looking bigger with less scale weight.

Im meeting more bigger guys that only eat when they are hungry, drink when they are thirsty and just train hard, and never go online to Google shit.
People spending to much time second guessing themselves, wanting to try an new diet fad or strength routine every 3 weeks and look piss poor.

[kelkel]

cutting will lose muscle regardless, even at 1lb a week of body weight you will start losing lbm, using large amounts of aas is the only way to combat this along with having a great prep coach. True in many cases

biggest problem internet weekend warriors have is they never get big enough before they "cut" so they start small and end up smaller. Cutting properly should have you looking bigger with less scale weight. Like a bodybuilder in a contest. Lighter but looks much larger.

Im meeting more bigger guys that only eat when they are hungry, drink when they are thirsty and just train hard, and never go online to Google shit.
People spending to much time second guessing themselves, wanting to try an new diet fad or strength routine every 3 weeks and look piss poor.

Basic, fundamental hard training and a healthy diet simply work. Most people just don't train hard enough.

Well said M.

[DPTUK]

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[ickythump]

cutting will lose muscle regardless, even at 1lb a week of body weight you will start losing lbm, using large amounts of aas is the only way to combat this along with having a great prep coach.

biggest problem internet weekend warriors have is they never get big enough before they "cut" so they start small and end up smaller. Cutting properly should have you looking bigger with less scale weight.

Im meeting more bigger guys that only eat when they are hungry, drink when they are thirsty and just train hard, and never go online to Google shit.
People spending to much time second guessing themselves, wanting to try an new diet fad or strength routine every 3 weeks and look piss poor.

that is all very true.... tho I must say I researched mechanisms behind hormonal responses and found studies on intermittent fasting it wasn't following fads, if I give advice I tell people to watch very carefully how they respond to it as there are so many mixed reviews

[DPTUK]

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[ickythump]

I've been watching gbrice and 405 on the keto, might try that before summer

[ickythump]

also, I'm starting first aas cycle but I got good fat-less bulking results going two weeks bulk/ two weeks cut, based on a study of hormonal responses to over feeding, some people say it's the best way to bulk as a non aas lifter

[mockery]

also, I'm starting first aas cycle but I got good fat-less bulking results going two weeks bulk/ two weeks cut, based on a study of hormonal responses to over feeding, some people say it's the best way to bulk as a non aas lifter

hormonal changes in the body take two weeks give or take, For any change to be taking place. All you are doing is confusing your body not making any gains and just moving WATER weight up and down.

is this a layne norton thing? if so i would throw it out the window.

[mockery]

I've been watching gbrice and 405 on the keto, might try that before summer

what are your goals for using keto?

Each pound of muscle at 454 g is about 22 percent protein, even with proper well structured carb re feeds adding any mass will be slow or non existent compares to a regular balanced diet.

Yes the human body doesn't need carbs to survive but if you wanna get big then better go eat your rice and potatoes.

[ickythump]

hormonal changes in the body take two weeks give or take, For any change to be taking place. All you are doing is confusing your body not making any gains and just moving WATER weight up and down.

is this a layne norton thing? if so i would throw it out the window.

it was a medical study, idk who that is

[ickythump]

what are your goals for using keto?

Each pound of muscle at 454 g is about 22 percent protein, even with proper well structured carb re feeds adding any mass will be slow or non existent compares to a regular balanced diet.

Yes the human body doesn't need carbs to survive but if you wanna get big then better go eat your rice and potatoes.

well it would be to burn body fat of course!! after I get size in!

[gbrice75]

what are your goals for using keto?

Each pound of muscle at 454 g is about 22 percent protein, even with proper well structured carb re feeds adding any mass will be slow or non existent compares to a regular balanced diet.

Yes the human body doesn't need carbs to survive but if you wanna get big then better go eat your rice and potatoes.

I disagree, again. Some people respond better to higher carbs, others are fine without them. I know quite a few guys (not weekend warriors as you imply) who run high fat/low (nearly zero) carb diets year round, and continue to make gains.

[mockery]

I disagree, again. Some people respond better to higher carbs, others are fine without them. I know quite a few guys (not weekend warriors as you imply) who run high fat/low (nearly zero) carb diets year round, and continue to make gains.

Are these the same people that if they take a day off the gym or spend a week at home they lose 15 kilos?

People are very dishonest about drug use and very dishonest about their cheat meals and binge eating.

I know people like you say that dont eat carbs, they are big, but looking back a few years now, i dont think they have got bigger aside from water weight. YOu and i can agree to disagree about the importance of carbs in muscle fibers but i like Mike Mentzers take on the importance of carbs over protein. Im not saying i am right over anyone else and every day we are learning.

The bigger problem with peoples logs on this forum is they yoyo diet and allow themselves to get fat through poor eating then spend all this effort to diet down, rinse and repeat.

Im very much pro fats, i love them, eating fats has made me a healthier person, but working along side world bodybuilding coaches ive opened my eyes to a few things that i use to be ignorant about.

BUt in your defense, frank zane says he only ate carbs every 4 days, a potato with dinner. And look how sexy he was, and still is.

[DontTaseMeBro]

This is a good discussion. I Hope we can get even more input.

For what its worth, I get up at 5:45 and train at 6:30. All I have time (or apatite) for before my workout is a pre-workout energy supplement (been using cellucore c4) with some extra creatine and BCAA's. I have to warm up a good bit, but my energy seems good and I'm able to go pretty intense for 45 min - 1hr. The gym is completely empty at that time other than the occasional person walking on a treadmill.

I do 45 minutes of cardio (running) every other day at the same time with no pre-workout supplement or meal of any kind.

All that having been said, I've considered biting the bullet and switching to afternoon workouts after a couple more months of moderate cutting (being the boss has a few benefits). While I believe fasted cardio is the way to go for fat burning, it seems like it would be best to have some protein on board to build muscle and some carbs to ramp up the intensity if one is trying to build muscle. Am I making this too complicated?