I've decided to do something that goes against every fibre of my being

**SocioMachiavelli** · 10-20-2018, 05:07 AM

and go on a cut.

How do you guys approach a cut in relation to nutrition or even how you work out? I'm just wanting some different perspectives or alternative approaches that may make it a little more interesting or tolerable than my usual method. Especially with the winter coming up and christmas, it may make it a little more difficult to be as disciplined if I do the same boring sh*t

**HoldMyBeer** · 10-20-2018, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by SocioMachiavelli

and go on a cut.

How do you guys approach a cut in relation to nutrition or even how you work out? I'm just wanting some different perspectives or alternative approaches that may make it a little more interesting or tolerable than my usual method. Especially with the winter coming up and christmas, it may make it a little more difficult to be as disciplined if I do the same boring sh*t

I do everything exactly the same (workout wise) but just cut 500 cal/day on the diet (250 calories on non workout days because I refuse to eat less than 2kcal in a day).

I use diet breaks to reset metabolism (2 weeks calorie deficit, 2 week calorie maintenance) and keep my sanity. Studies have shown diet breaks to lead to greater fat loss with equated time. So for example, 16 weeks straight dieting vs 32 weeks with diet breaks (because only dieting half the time), showed 70% more fat loss (can't remember exactly number, but it was around there)

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**SocioMachiavelli** · 10-20-2018, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer

I do everything exactly the same (workout wise) but just cut 500 cal/day on the diet (250 calories on non workout days because I refuse to eat less than 2kcal in a day).

I use diet breaks to reset metabolism (2 weeks calorie deficit, 2 week calorie maintenance) and keep my sanity. Studies have shown diet breaks to lead to greater fat loss with equated time. So for example, 16 weeks straight dieting vs 32 weeks with diet breaks (because only dieting half the time), showed 70% more fat loss (can't remember exactly number, but it was around there)

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That's a very interesting approach, I have always had the mindset of why take 32 weeks to achieve what could be done in 16. But given the time of year, I think i'm going to look in the literature for something to support this approach and maybe run with it.

**HoldMyBeer** · 10-20-2018, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by SocioMachiavelli

That's a very interesting approach, I have always had the mindset of why take 32 weeks to achieve what could be done in 16. But given the time of year, I think i'm going to look in the literature for something to support this approach and maybe run with it.

This is where I get a lot of my info. He quotes the source too.
https://youtu.be/TaaA2fsuXZU

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**Capebuffalo** · 10-20-2018, 07:37 AM

Check out carb cycling.

**Windex** · 10-20-2018, 07:51 AM

You can ramp up cardio and be at maintenance calories and still cut, gets around having to eat less food.

As Cape said carb cycling is another option.

Fasting also an option and/or fasted cardio.

**GearHeaded** · 10-20-2018, 10:19 AM

another way to come into a diet is with a different mindset then normal. think about TIMING of your macro choices and your meals. instead of just total daily macros and calories. organize those all into different timed 'events' where there is a focus on why your eating what your eating.
eg. ,
IF I were to send you copies of a lot of my clients diets you would see that all the daily meals are broken down and macros accounted for. but next to each meal you will see either the words "Lipolytic Emphasis" or "Anabolic Emphasis" . thats because I make each individual meal serve a goal or a purpose and we eat it for a reason. the timing of meals are broken down and a big part of the diet. its not about restriction as much as it is about TIMING these "Lipolytic' or "Anaboic" opportunities .

its a lot like carb cycling, but I cycle more then just carbs, I cycle fats, micro nutrients, veggies and fiber, and in some cases even protein. that way each meal serve an exact purpose for the time its to be eaten and is going to aide in either our goals of burning fat (lipolytic) or holding onto muscle (anabolic).

so I'd just think more about the timing of your foods and where the macros fall in each meal, then simply calories in vs calories out over a day.

**waltr64** · 10-20-2018, 10:19 AM

I have tried a lot of different approaches over the years and although they say it is all about the calories, personally I do better with lower carbs (I think this is dependent on the individual). I try to stay about 200 calories below maintenance and add in some carido (which I hate) with the goal of losing 1.5 pounds per week while keeping my muscle. To do this I have added a little Tren .

**SocioMachiavelli** · 10-20-2018, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Check out carb cycling.

I do that already lol. Thanks for the suggestion though

**SocioMachiavelli** · 10-20-2018, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer

This is where I get a lot of my info. He quotes the source too.
https://youtu.be/TaaA2fsuXZU

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Thanks... he links to the articles in there. Also a comment from under the video " I've been on a diet break for a few years now"

**SocioMachiavelli** · 10-20-2018, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Windex

You can ramp up cardio and be at maintenance calories and still cut, gets around having to eat less food.

As Cape said carb cycling is another option.

Fasting also an option and/or fasted cardio.

Those are two of my current methods

**SocioMachiavelli** · 10-20-2018, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

another way to come into a diet is with a different mindset then normal. think about TIMING of your macro choices and your meals. instead of just total daily macros and calories. organize those all into different timed 'events' where there is a focus on why your eating what your eating.
eg. ,
IF I were to send you copies of a lot of my clients diets you would see that all the daily meals are broken down and macros accounted for. but next to each meal you will see either the words "Lipolytic Emphasis" or "Anabolic Emphasis" . thats because I make each individual meal serve a goal or a purpose and we eat it for a reason. the timing of meals are broken down and a big part of the diet. its not about restriction as much as it is about TIMING these "Lipolytic' or "Anaboic" opportunities .

its a lot like carb cycling, but I cycle more then just carbs, I cycle fats, micro nutrients, veggies and fiber, and in some cases even protein. that way each meal serve an exact purpose for the time its to be eaten and is going to aide in either our goals of burning fat (lipolytic) or holding onto muscle (anabolic).

so I'd just think more about the timing of your foods and where the macros fall in each meal, then simply calories in vs calories out over a day.

Very interesting stuff, I'll try to incorporate that into my current cut.

**Obs** · 10-20-2018, 11:33 AM

Tren , epedrine, clean maitenance diet

**Chrisp83TRT** · 10-20-2018, 01:04 PM

What I find that is useful ( personal experience)

Either once a week or once every other week having a refeed day.
Load up on carbs ( good ones ) esp if you reduce your carbs by a lot.

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**tarmyg** · 10-20-2018, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

You can ramp up cardio and be at maintenance calories and still cut, gets around having to eat less food.

As Cape said carb cycling is another option.

Fasting also an option and/or fasted cardio.

This is what I do. Lowering calories should be the last option, IMHO!

**AR's King Silabolin** · 10-31-2018, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by SocioMachiavelli

and go on a cut.

How do you guys approach a cut in relation to nutrition or even how you work out? I'm just wanting some different perspectives or alternative approaches that may make it a little more interesting or tolerable than my usual method. Especially with the winter coming up and christmas, it may make it a little more difficult to be as disciplined if I do the same boring sh*t

Why cut now?
I always start my cut in Mars.

Up the protein. At least 350 g.
Cut carbs. Just use carbs after training.
And possible quick ones in the preworkout.

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**Eduke93** · 11-01-2018, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by SocioMachiavelli

and go on a cut.

How do you guys approach a cut in relation to nutrition or even how you work out? I'm just wanting some different perspectives or alternative approaches that may make it a little more interesting or tolerable than my usual method. Especially with the winter coming up and christmas, it may make it a little more difficult to be as disciplined if I do the same boring sh*t

Personally, I keep it simple. Calories in calories out, track your macros, gradually pull out calories, introduce more cardio and implement some drugs (If your planning on using for this cut)

This way you can take the “flexible” approach and for example Christmas you can save all your calories from your Christmas dinner and pig out.. This isn’t ideal for bodybuilding, but it’s definitely a good way to keep things interesting this time of year.

The if it fits your macros approach is a great tool providing you don’t take advantage of the idea and fill your calories out with junk, keep it clean and green with the occasional bit of junk in there…