Safety

**davidtheman100** · 08-17-2014, 11:03 PM

How safe is it to order when you're in America? What are some precautions one might wanna take before placing an order and filling out info?

**davidtheman100** · 08-18-2014, 04:29 PM

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**MuscleInk** · 08-18-2014, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by davidtheman100

How safe is it to order when you're in America? What are some precautions one might wanna take before placing an order and filling out info?

Can you be more specific? Are you asking about ordering overseas for delivery into US?

Varied opinions around nonUS orders. Many suggest there are enough domestic sources you shouldn't need to go overseas. Others have ordered overseas and likely continue. I personally only work with local vendors I have existing relationships with. I don't ordered overseas ever because it's not worth the headache and added attention it can bring.

**davidtheman100** · 08-18-2014, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Can you be more specific? Are you asking about ordering overseas for delivery into US?

Varied opinions around nonUS orders. Many suggest there are enough domestic sources you shouldn't need to go overseas. Others have ordered overseas and likely continue. I personally only work with local vendors I have existing relationships with. I don't ordered overseas ever because it's not worth the headache and added attention it can bring.

Yes, i'm talking about ordering overseas and how i would go about filling out information and if it is advisable to pay with a credit card or not? It says the site is US based but the real location is being hidden meaning it probably is not on US soil and also it says that it does 100% shipping to the US so i'm kind of having mixed feelings about it.

The main thing i wanna know is would the package possibly get intercepted and is there a high chance of getting in some sort of trouble especially if you've been doing your own research on google about the website prior to the order? I just want to take safety precautions beforehand so i don't have any regrets about my purchase. The orders will be fairly small.

**davidtheman100** · 08-18-2014, 06:53 PM

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**Docd187123** · 08-18-2014, 07:15 PM

You're thinking about ordering AAS with a credit card?

**davidtheman100** · 08-18-2014, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Docd187123

You're thinking about ordering AAS with a credit card?

I've never made an online order before so i'm looking for help hence the point of this thread.

**Docd187123** · 08-18-2014, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by davidtheman100

I've never made an online order before so i'm looking for help hence the point of this thread.

I would HIGHLY advise you to NOT pay with a credit card for any AAS. I already knew that before my first order.

Precautions you'd take would be to research reviews of the lab from multiple places, never order more than you can afford to lose, try a small sample order first (this won't protect against selective scamming towards a future bigger order though), never use a credit card or paypal, and there's many more common sense things

**davidtheman100** · 08-18-2014, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Docd187123

I would HIGHLY advise you to NOT pay with a credit card for any AAS. I already knew that before my first order.

Precautions you'd take would be to research reviews of the lab from multiple places, never order more than you can afford to lose, try a small sample order first (this won't protect against selective scamming towards a future bigger order though), never use a credit card or paypal, and there's many more common sense things

What type of payment method would you recommend?

Alright, i will try it with a small order as i was going to make a small order anyway.

**Docd187123** · 08-18-2014, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by davidtheman100

What type of payment method would you recommend?

Alright, i will try it with a small order as i was going to make a small order anyway.

I've only used WU but also had the option of MG. For this last cycle I decided to stop buying from UGL's and make my own gear. My supplier for raws only took WU/MG.

**austinite** · 08-18-2014, 08:41 PM

The cops are going to get you. Oh wait... you'll just turn yourself in because you respect them so much and hate to be 'anti-american'.

**davidtheman100** · 08-18-2014, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Docd187123

I've only used WU but also had the option of MG. For this last cycle I decided to stop buying from UGL's and make my own gear. My supplier for raws only took WU/MG.

ok WU it is

**davidtheman100** · 08-18-2014, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

The cops are going to get you. Oh wait... you'll just turn yourself in because you respect them so much and hate to be 'anti-american'.

I'm getting them back for all the red lights they run!

**flenser** · 08-19-2014, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by davidtheman100

The main thing i wanna know is would the package possibly get intercepted and is there a high chance of getting in some sort of trouble especially if you've been doing your own research on google about the website prior to the order? I just want to take safety precautions beforehand so i don't have any regrets about my purchase. The orders will be fairly small.

There is a chance of your order getting intercepted (seized). I that case you will receive a notice from customs. Do not respond to it in any way. The source you order from should have a policy for reshipping seized packs. If they don't, use a different source.

**jtstretch** · 08-19-2014, 09:01 AM

Where can one find reliable sources? Online or not. I found a couple but have been reluctant to order.

**Docd187123** · 08-19-2014, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by jtstretch

Where can one find reliable sources? Online or not. I found a couple but have been reluctant to order.

This isn't a source board so only scammers will help you there

**davidtheman100** · 08-19-2014, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by flenser

There is a chance of your order getting intercepted (seized). I that case you will receive a notice from customs. Do not respond to it in any way. The source you order from should have a policy for reshipping seized packs. If they don't, use a different source.

Alright that's good for future purchases. I think i'm just gonna stick to PH's until i'm able to get back to college and meet with my distributor it seems like unless you have direct contact with a dealer you're in for a big guessing game and risk of penalty.

**MuscleInk** · 08-19-2014, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by davidtheman100

Alright that's good for future purchases. I think i'm just gonna stick to PH's until i'm able to get back to college and meet with my distributor it seems like unless you have direct contact with a dealer you're in for a big guessing game and risk of penalty.

Ugh....I wouldn't use PHs if they were given to me free.

Yes, it's often a risk ordering online. You may not get the product, you may get partial product or it could be seized by customs as indicated by others in their replies. Some guys have had luck with ordering overseas, I personally won't do it, and several people would rather stick to domestic suppliers (even though most of the raw materials are coming from abroad).

It takes time to find a good vendor. It's a learning curve. Fortunately, I stick with pharm-grade and when that's not an option, local sources are the best resources for me.

**davidtheman100** · 08-19-2014, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Ugh....I wouldn't use PHs if they were given to me free.

Yes, it's often a risk ordering online. You may not get the product, you may get partial product or it could be seized by customs as indicated by others in their replies. Some guys have had luck with ordering overseas, I personally won't do it, and several people would rather stick to domestic suppliers (even though most of the raw materials are coming from abroad).

It takes time to find a good vendor. It's a learning curve. Fortunately, I stick with pharm-grade and when that's not an option, local sources are the best resources for me.

I'm one of those lucky people that doesn't really have any on-cycle or post cycle negative side effects while i'm on them, and the gains are great. I don't know, maybe i will regret taking them when i'm in my 40's/50's but that was a risk i was willing to take when i took them.

They really are just oral steroids , they butcher the ingredients by 2 or 3 letters and throw their shit on the market.

**MuscleInk** · 08-19-2014, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by davidtheman100

I'm one of those lucky people that doesn't really have any on-cycle or post cycle negative side effects while i'm on them, and the gains are great. I don't know, maybe i will regret taking them when i'm in my 40's/50's but that was a risk i was willing to take when i took them.

They really are just oral steroids, they butcher the ingredients by 2 or 3 letters and throw their shit on the market.

Ever had your liver function test done recently?

....and I've pretty much stepped away from the oral steroids now too.

**davidtheman100** · 08-19-2014, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Ever had your liver function test done recently?

....and I've pretty much stepped away from the oral steroids now too.

I really can't blame you for that. But yeah, my liver values weren't elevated and i'm in the normal range for adult men which is fine by me. Worst thing about the PH's was the lethargy which peaks around the 2nd week. I also don't go over the recommended doses, which is probably where the problems start to occur.

**MuscleInk** · 08-19-2014, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by davidtheman100

I really can't blame you for that. But yeah, my liver values weren't elevated and i'm in the normal range for adult men which is fine by me. Worst thing about the PH's was the lethargy which peaks around the 2nd week. I also don't go over the recommended doses, which is probably where the problems start to occur.

Good to know you're staying on top of things.