AI vs Estrogen Blocker

[comradebillyboy]

What are the pros and cons or a comparison of AIs and Anti Estrogens for keeping estrogen levels reasonably low while taking test? Which is better for bloating? Since AIs suppress conversion of test to estrogen, is it more effective than a simple estrogen blocker like tamoxephene?

[zaggahamma]

hey comrad..i have a similar thread going....have you already tested your estro or are you looking for precautionary measures. Mine went up from 19 to 65 after taking 300mg cyp for a week. My doctor only gave me the name of a product over the counter called 6-0XO. If i could get a RX or the $$ I had it narrowed down to Arimidex or Nolva. The Nolva sounds like it improves your lipid profile as well.

[comradebillyboy]

hey comrad..i have a similar thread going....have you already tested your estro or are you looking for precautionary measures. Mine went up from 19 to 65 after taking 300mg cyp for a week. My doctor only gave me the name of a product over the counter called 6-0XO. If i could get a RX or the $$ I had it narrowed down to Arimidex or Nolva. The Nolva sounds like it improves your lipid profile as well.

I hadn't heard about the lipid profile issue.

I am taking Nolva now. Its the same as tamoxiphene. I started it 3 weeks into my cycle. Bloating is going down now after 2weeks eod. Its the estrogen blocker. It does not prevent conversion of test to estrogen. The gist of my question is this: what is better, to block estrogen or to prevent the conversion of test to estrogen? Will the AI keep test levels higher, if conversion is inhibited?

I read a bit about the 6-OXO and it claims to be an AI. AR sells a couple of AIs that should be similar to the prescription drugs as well as some chemicals similar to Nolva.

[zaggahamma]

Yeh, you do pose a good question in there. Have you read the steroid profiles at the home page here at steroid.com? That's where i read that the nolva you are taking improves cholesterol that's why i considered it as my hdl went down from 59 to 35. Glad the nolva is helping your bloat. I forgot how much test you said you were taking. I guess the extra that i have been taking is going to waste since some is converting to estro.

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what is better, to block estrogen or to prevent the conversion of test to estrogen? Will the AI keep test levels higher, if conversion is inhibited?

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[balin]

nolva blocks e's at certain tissues. where as arimidex stops the conversion to e2, so there is much lower levels floating around the body.

[zaggahamma]

nolva blocks e's at certain tissues. where as arimidex stops the conversion to e2, so there is much lower levels floating around the body.

So the nolva will block against gyno, but the estro will still reduce the effect of the testo?

[comradebillyboy]

I found this article, which seems to answer my question pretty well:
"Should Nolvadex be Avoided at All Cost? by Dharkam" (January 30, 2006)
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...d-nolvadex.htm
Dharkam argues that AIs such as letro are the superior option for controlling unwanted estrogen.

[vermin]

They both have their uses - blockers are esp. important to have around to stop gyno symptoms in their tracks if the estrogen gets ahead of the aromatase inhibitors.

[Kale]

Give me a-dex over Nolvadex any day.

[comradebillyboy]

They both have their uses - blockers are esp. important to have around to stop gyno symptoms in their tracks if the estrogen gets ahead of the aromatase inhibitors.

good to know

thanks.

[Spyke]

My estrogen levels were high so my doc put me on arimidex . So once you start taking it, how long till your estrogen levels actually drop?

[Ufa]

My estrogen levels were high so my doc put me on arimidex. So once you start taking it, how long till your estrogen levels actually drop?

The PDR states it will be in your system with in 3 days. So instantly. Blood tests, AI's ,welcome Hotel California.

[Spyke]

Thanks Ufa, I gotta say after a rough start you have started to grow on me. LOL. But every so often you still leave me scratching my head, like, what does Hotel California mean??????

[Ufa]

Just a Song. You can check out any time but you can never leave. "Eagles"

[Spyke]

Now I get it! At this point I don't ever want to leave! Hrt has been great for me and I can't remember when I felt this good. Also it has turned me on to the whole anti aging thing which I think is going to become mainstream in the next few decades.

[Ufa]

Now I get it! At this point I don't ever want to leave! Hrt has been great for me and I can't remember when I felt this good. Also it has turned me on to the whole anti aging thing which I think is going to become mainstream in the next few decades.

You sound like a nice person I sincerely hope you don't get burt out. It's
changed my life entirely. I used to drink french wine and champagne. No
more, I feel my friends think I'm a little boring. But, I feel great so they
can go be their bad selves. Take care.

[zaggahamma]

well, i'm not sure if this is a sign that my over the counter estro reducer is working but I just did a back and light bi workout and my arms felt like they were going to explode and I can't remember ever being that pumped...could this also be a sign that estro is being reduced?

[Spyke]

Who knows.... At this point blood tests are the only thing that I go by. The placibo effect is very real and very strong.

[zaggahamma]

Who knows.... At this point blood tests are the only thing that I go by. The placibo effect is very real and very strong.

good point but i wasn't even thinking about the stuff at all...i take it the night before...but anyway, is it common to get noticably better pumps when on AI's?
anyone?

[vermin]

If so it is news to me - at 1mg anastrozole a day I can't say I've noticed anything.

[balin]

If e levels get to low that is not health either as it affects lipid levels. And libido can drop or dissapear.

[Ufa]

If so it is news to me - at 1mg anastrozole a day I can't say I've noticed anything.

I took 1mg of arimidex by astraZenica for about 8 months. Now, because of
estro I take .5 Doc wants me to go lower still. I subscribe to the taper theory.

[zaggahamma]

well, i go in tommorrow for an estro /test review and hopefully lipids...the script originally had been checked for test/free test...but i had the script for so long i got bored and played tic tac toe on some extra areas that might interest us
my last estro was shiat (65) and i only had a couple of days on the over the counter estro caps....hope it went down a little and my test a lot from 1300!