doc has me on 200mg cyp/month. is it enough?

[rustyself]

got him talked into letting me inject every 2 weeks, 100mg or 1/2 cc of depo test. i just want to maintain a theraputic level, not supra levels, just high normal. im 34 years old. if not, how do i talk him into higher doses?

thanks for the input!

rusty

[cj1capp]

got him talked into letting me inject every 2 weeks, 100mg or 1/2 cc of depo test. i just want to maintain a theraputic level, not supra levels, just high normal. im 34 years old. if not, how do i talk him into higher doses?

thanks for the input!

rusty

just let him know you dont feel any different and could we up the dose some.

[SMAN12b]

WELCOME TO AR

like cj said, wait the first month and tell him you not feeling any different and he may go higher

[boxingbean]

indeed......a month....its ur call

[zaggahamma]

rusty...welcome..from my dealings with docs and test levels...they are usually pretty conservative and target more mid-range levels...have you discussed what levels he is targeting or what you want already. 200mg/month is a pretty conservative dose which is quite common when first starting under doctor's care and IMO the way to start anyway. And as SMan stated...it is more of your symptoms that you should be targeting rather than a broad range of blood levels and usually the best way to ask for a higher dose as well....good luck

[rustyself]

thanks for the reply guys! im was wondering why he started me so low, when my total level was only 82. that explains alot!

rusty

[mick-g]

I think standard hrt is 200mg every 2nd or 3nd wk.

[zaggahamma]

I think standard hrt is 200mg every 2nd or 3nd wk.

that's actually what i was prescribed 200/3weeks but i self administer.....also i failed to add that it is pretty much a general consensus in this forum that if to achieve the most stable blood levels/mood, etc. splitting that dose up into once or even more popular twice a week injections
example in jaselle's case 200mg/month where he goes 100 every 2 weeks...most that have been on hrt for some time recomend 50mg/wk or 25mg/twice a week...i even tried to look at the half life of the compound/ester and administer on the day that it supposedly starts to fall....recently, though once a week has been working well

[mick-g]

I don't know what the endos i taked to are pent on 200mg every 3rd wk? Its like they don't know or care to explain.

[taiboxa]

wow thats dicked thats like 2x injects of 100mg? thats like LESS THAN an average person produces LOL
100mg- 40% ester weght so u get ~64mg for 14 days LOL thats NOTHING in 14 days a good person will produce ATLEAST 100mg of pure test so tell him he is ****ing retarded and to atleast double it!

had to edit i misspelled ester w/ exter and wanted to make the dam post make sense

[Mobligator]

Rusty, you didn't mention how old you are but a total T. level of 82 is definitely Hypogonadism, (unless you've been previously doing some roids, etc. )
I seriously doubt that taking 50 mg a week is going to bring your level up to normal and your Doc will discover that on your next blood work-up. You'll most likely need at least 100mg per week to reach the normal level. Your T. is almost as low as my age. BTW. today is my birthday and I want to thank Anabolic Review for the Happy Birthday they sent me. I'm now 39.

thanks for the reply guys! im was wondering why he started me so low, when my total level was only 82. that explains alot!

rusty

[taiboxa]

Rusty, you didn't mention how old you are but a total T. level of 82 is definitely Hypogonadism, (unless you've been previously doing some roids, etc. )
I seriously doubt that taking 50 mg a week is going to bring your level up to normal and your Doc will discover that on your next blood work-up. You'll most likely need at least 100mg per week to reach the normal level. Your T. is almost as low as my age. BTW. today is my birthday and I want to thank Anabolic Review for the Happy Birthday they sent me. I'm now 39.

lol like i stated in my prevoius post he is only getting 25mg of test per week
everyone forgest that on large ester compounds the ester takes up to 50% of the moleculer space meaning you may not be getting all u think u are!

[liftin4life]

I hope I'm not hijacking by asking this...but I do wonder what's "enough" to bring someone up from that low?

I'm 25yrs old and at 51ng/dl and 11ng/dl free due to a pituitary tumor and my endo is going to put me on 100mg/wk of Testosterone Enanthate .

How much IS enough? Does it vary that much from person to person or should I try to convince her to start me out higher?

[taiboxa]

I hope I'm not hijacking by asking this...but I do wonder what's "enough" to bring someone up from that low?

I'm 25yrs old and at 51ng/dl and 11ng/dl free due to a pituitary tumor and my endo is going to put me on 100mg/wk of Testosterone Enanthate .

How much IS enough? Does it vary that much from person to person or should I try to convince her to start me out higher?

i personally like runnig about 125mg/wk

IMO test is one of the absolute SHITTIEST compounds for MUSCLE GROWTH/Development.. u wanna BB'd GET ON some dht's and Nor19 compounds! thats where the money is wat.. u want health and well being or just something to keep ur weiner working while on stronger/suppresive substances thats where test comes in

when on cycle i run 125mg/wk
when im crusing which is TRT (testReplacement therapy) i run 250mg/wk up it a lil to help retain gains since i drop all other compounds...

but anyways 125-250mg/wk is most ideal IMO for a great all around dose!

[balin]

Your Dr. will most likely only care about what the
#1 lab tests say
#2 how you feel.
Tell him you definitely feel better for the first few days then the affects drop off. Show him how low your values are at the end of the second week. And see if you can talk him into a weekly shot with a dosage closer to 100mg/week. At 100mg/week my T level is still at the top of the "normal" scale before I take my weekly shot.

[rustyself]

well, went back a few more times, and told him the amount he has me on is NOT working, crashing BIG TIME after a week and few days. explained to him what i had learned here, and he said he didnt know alot about hrt, and what did i want to do? we had a good talk, and he honestly listened to me. i left with a script for 200mg/week, and arimidex .

i think i have found my regular doctor, he really was interested in what i had to say.

[ironaddict69]

wow, good man. stixk with him, any doctor that will listen to you is a keeper. theyre hard to come by. congrats. im on 200 a week too, but my doc even let me try 300, and that IS NOT good for HRT, wayyyy too much estrogen even with a blocker.

[zaggahamma]

well, went back a few more times, and told him the amount he has me on is NOT working, crashing BIG TIME after a week and few days. explained to him what i had learned here, and he said he didnt know alot about hrt, and what did i want to do? we had a good talk, and he honestly listened to me. i left with a script for 200mg/week, and arimidex .

i think i have found my regular doctor, he really was interested in what i had to say.

[zaggahamma]

wow, good man. stixk with him, any doctor that will listen to you is a keeper. theyre hard to come by. congrats. im on 200 a week too, but my doc even let me try 300, and that IS NOT good for HRT, wayyyy too much estrogen even with a blocker.

that's a new one to me....thought i was safe with the 'dex
gotta get it checked

[LuckyDragon]

Your Dr. will most likely only care about what the
#1 lab tests say
#2 how you feel.
Tell him you definitely feel better for the first few days then the affects drop off. Show him how low your values are at the end of the second week. And see if you can talk him into a weekly shot with a dosage closer to 100mg/week. At 100mg/week my T level is still at the top of the "normal" scale before I take my weekly shot.

Your lucky bro, 125mg/week took it to about 399ng/dl for me(it was from the pharmacy legit upjohn test cypionate ). It would take about 250 for me to reach the top of the normal range midway through the week and dont have a clue why. The endo I have is decent(as in he isn't horrible saying anything about 300 is outstanding). However it will be hard to convince him to try 200 or above.


Some people can take 50mg and they go through the roof, but I took 400mg for 11 weeks and came out at 672 after a week...again from a pharmacy through a doctor...wtf!

[mick-g]

If you cant get him to give you the normal 200mg e3w or e2w, then id find someone who can get it for me. Depo test is usually cypionate here in the usa, Europe uses enathate more for trt. 100mg every 2nd wk is on the low side, but maybe your test levels are not that low.? I know for fact many endos won't go above what they think will get your test to the normal ranges. Its like they are afraid of reprecusions or something. They think test is like this drug that going to kill you if they give you alittle more than what they think is normal, lol!

[x_rick_x]

I started at 100mg EOW, than 16wks later it was upped to 200mg EOW. Another 16wks went bye and I was still low, now I'm 200mg/1cc Test Cyp. EW - I Feel Great!

Everyone is different I guess.

[zaggahamma]

I started at 100mg EOW, than 16wks later it was upped to 200mg EOW. Another 16wks went bye and I was still low, now I'm 200mg/1cc Test Cyp. EW - I Feel Great!

Everyone is different I guess.

True that....
Good for you man...hope that dose works great for you...are you having to go in for injections...just curious how many patients are allowed to self administer.

take care

[x_rick_x]

Injections are the only way to go! I have been at 200mg Every Week for 6 months now (I think) I do have to go to the Doctors office each Monday morning, Its one the way to the gym (and work) so Its not a big deal; in and out, maybe 10 min. This week I switched to another Doctors office because I did not like my first doctors “condescending attitude” on blood test I needed. (Unrelated to the Test shots). My new Doctor is pretty young and may let me do self-injections, I not sure yet I’ll just wait and see.

As far as overall well-being I feel wonderful! I went from 6’3 250lbs (38 pants) to 6’3 240 34/35 pants! I have not lost much weight but I have gained a lot of strength and muscle!


The wonders of Test Cyp!

[zaggahamma]

Injections are the only way to go! I have been at 200mg Every Week for 6 months now (I think) I do have to go to the Doctors office each Monday morning, Its one the way to the gym (and work) so Its not a big deal; in and out, maybe 10 min. This week I switched to another Doctors office because I did not like my first doctors “condescending attitude” on blood test I needed. (Unrelated to the Test shots). My new Doctor is pretty young and may let me do self-injections, I not sure yet I’ll just wait and see.

As far as overall well-being I feel wonderful! I went from 6’3 250lbs (38 pants) to 6’3 240 34/35 pants! I have not lost much weight but I have gained a lot of strength and muscle!


The wonders of Test Cyp!

too freaky bro almost same thing here same start height/weight/waist size same length on TRT ....now 230 34/36 pants while getting stronger

[x_rick_x]

I can’t seem to get under 240.. I started bike spinning classes 2 times a week for an hour to see if that can help. Allot of people keep saying I look thinner but I don’t feel thinner, maybe I should stay off the scale and just go buy how I feel.

But I have to buy bigger shirt because my chest and arms don’t fit that good anymore. So that’s a plus (I think) I have added 100lbs on my bench over the last year and my shoulders have started to show a nice cut with veins.. It’s talking awhile but once you see solid results and people start asking you what your doing and how you got so big its all worth it.. it almost becomes addictive

[zaggahamma]

I can’t seem to get under 240.. I started bike spinning classes 2 times a week for an hour to see if that can help. Allot of people keep saying I look thinner but I don’t feel thinner, maybe I should stay off the scale and just go buy how I feel.

But I have to buy bigger shirt because my chest and arms don’t fit that good anymore. So that’s a plus (I think) I have added 100lbs on my bench over the last year and my shoulders have started to show a nice cut with veins.. It’s talking awhile but once you see solid results and people start asking you what your doing and how you got so big its all worth it.. it almost becomes addictive

think i'd trade ya bro....shirt gettin smaller too
guess i was fat all over but definately bf% down and strength up....i was stuck 'round 240 as well then got a job outdoors where i'm always moving...made the biggest difference and i was doing cardio 4-7 times a week on eliptical/treadmills...now i don't do nuttin in the gym but crank out reps
glad for your success man....awesome turnaround

[x_rick_x]

Like I said I feel great! In 2001 I broke my neck and was laid up for 8 months. In that time I packed on the pounds, maybe 270 all fat! Than after I was up and moving I guess I was so happy to be alive and get full mobility back I started drinking & eating like Tommorow would never come. After my divorce I took a good long look at myself and did not like what I seen, I started lifting and running 5-6 times a week. Two years later I showed very little improvement, that’s when I found TRT – (and a new super sexy wife)

I tore my ACL a few months ago so I cut back on the treadmill and started spinning with the wife a few times a week. It feels great to have someone that has not seen me in a while to just look and go.. Damm Rick, you were big in High School and your huge now!

[UpstateNY]

I printed out the educational/clincal test posts from this site and took them to my Dr and told him to read them. I offered to give him copies of the recomended books on the subject as well. After my tests results came back low, he referred to the info I gave him and we went with gel first. I told him how I felt and we switched to 100Ml of test. /wk. My levels came back at 1018 about 8 or 9 days after my last injection. He wanted to reduce it to 1/2ml every 5 days. I don't feel quite as good as I did on the 1ml but I opted to give it a good trial period. I still feel the same so I plan to ask him to up it to 1ml again. I'm not looking for growth or size. I did drop some weight and fat and replaced it with lean muscle. I hadn't been able to do much in the way of exercise without the HRT due to pain among other things. I'm still limited by my injuries and pain, but I am much healthier and happier than before HRT.
I owe it all to the good folks at this page!!! If not for them, I would still be suffering needlessly!!!!
RM