Forms of Test

[ithilsul]

I've been anxious to start trying test for a long time, and now that I have some constant funds coming in, I'm getting ready to finally buy some. I'm very small, talked to a doc who bailed out on me because my insurance comapny is stingy, and I have relatively low test levels, which is no shock because I have little energy and am weak and girly. Also interested in HGH to combat my smallness before I fully grow, but thats way too expensive to even touch.

Anyway, I thought injections were the only way to go, but when I talked to the doc he considered giving me a gel to put on my skin, other option was 2 injections every day. This was good, because I'm not too keen on injections, if I can do it orally or... skin-illy, it'd be nice. I'm just looking to break my tinyness caused by this weight gain barrior.

So I'm looking at the cheapest ones, sadly I have to go with cheap stuff, but ANY is better than none at this point.

Any that increase appetite would be GREAT. I seriously have a problem getting myself to eat, I fill up verrrrrrrrrrry fast. I wish weed were legal just so I could get in enough food.

So I'm looking here, and these are what I'm interested in. If anyone can help, I'd like to know what form they're in (injectable, pill, gel, etc), since it's sometimes not clear, and any opinions.

Deca durabolin
Testoviron depot
testosterone propionate
Omnadren

Or if anyone can reccomend a good gel/pill form, that'd be really nice. I'd just rather try one of those to kinda break the ice before trying injectables, especially cheap kinds... I know cheap is crap, but it'd be my first time and I want something I can work my way up with.

[Spyke]

What are your levels?

There is no injectable test that is injected 2 times a day in HRT. Your options are androgel every day or weekly or bi weekly injections. There is no oral test. Unless you are really low test, you have no business using any AAS and even then you will only take enough to be normal. HRT alone will not make you Hulk Hogan.

You have to eat! Get in the gym on a solid program and eat more calories then you burn. Steroids are really best for guys who have been training for several years and have their diets in check.

[ithilsul]

I don't need to be told what I already know :/ I don't know the specific levels, he didn't tell me and I didn't think to ask at the time, just said for my age they were borderline low. I live in a very small town so he only comes to town once every month. He told me two injections a day, which made me wonder, becaues this board says differently, and he mentioned the daily gel, which I had never heard of. But thats what he said... and he is an endocrynologist. And why wouldn't I have business doing it? Don't people use steroids to... you know, get bigger? I have been training for years, I'm not going into why I'm so tiny and why I can't eat much, again, because I've said it way too many times on here.

Sorry, I just get frustrated because I get that all the time when I'm trying to get advice, I just want to get closer to being -normal-.

I'm 100 lbs, 5' 4''. Please don't make me explain again why I'm so amazingly small, I just want to know whats good for a beginner.

[Spyke]

First off most HRT patients on this board are VERY involved in their care. Knowing your total test, free test and estrodol levels along with the ranges is the first step.

The gel is called androgel . You put it on every AM. A couple guys have used it with some success but most go with injections. Again there is no 2x per day test injections used in HRT that I have ever heard of. Kinda sucks that you only have one doc to choose from. Endos are basically worthless with HRT 99% of the time.

If you have been training for years with no results, then you are not eating enough. It is simple as that. If you eat more then you burn, you will gain weight unless you have a medical problem ( I dont think low test alone will do it). It may be fat and not muscle, but you should gain. Even a full cycle of AAS will not produce much gains unless you eat enough and train properly. It is not magic.

The reason I said you have no business doing a cycle is because you are clearly uneducated about gear. (ie. looking for test in a pill form) and your diet is not correct. AAS will not make you any taller and your bone structure will still be on the small side. Do what you want, but maybe everyone is telling you the same things because they are true. I know it is not what you want to hear.

There are some great weight gainer shakes that are over 700 cals per serving. Take one when you wake up and one right before bed. Then eat small meals (clean) all during the day, lift like a MOFO and you should notice gains.

[zaggahamma]

First off most HRT patients on this board are VERY involved in their care. Knowing your total test, free test and estrodol levels along with the ranges is the first step.

The gel is called androgel . You put it on every AM. A couple guys have used it with some success but most go with injections. Again there is no 2x per day test injections used in HRT that I have ever heard of. Kinda sucks that you only have one doc to choose from. Endos are basically worthless with HRT 99% of the time.

If you have been training for years with no results, then you are not eating enough. It is simple as that. If you eat more then you burn, you will gain weight unless you have a medical problem ( I dont think low test alone will do it). It may be fat and not muscle, but you should gain. Even a full cycle of AAS will not produce much gains unless you eat enough and train properly. It is not magic.

The reason I said you have no business doing a cycle is because you are clearly uneducated about gear. (ie. looking for test in a pill form) and your diet is not correct. AAS will not make you any taller and your bone structure will still be on the small side. Do what you want, but maybe everyone is telling you the same things because they are true. I know it is not what you want to hear.

There are some great weight gainer shakes that are over 700 cals per serving. Take one when you wake up and one right before bed. Then eat small meals (clean) all during the day, lift like a MOFO and you should notice gains.

That's a great idea and they are fvkin delicious, too. So weird how people can be at opposite ends of the spectrum when wanting to try AAS. I went on cuz I couldn't lose weight anymore and you want to gain.

I need to ask your age cuz in your first or sec paragraph you mentioned you were not fully grown yet. Did you mean that cuz you are under 21? And, what exactly did your doctor give you yet or is he waiting for you to tell him which med you want to go with?

I actually heard of an oral test b4 but it is frowned upon because most orals usually are more toxic on the liver. So, pretty much yes, injects/gel are the 2 most often used forms of TRT (HRT).

As far as insurance, most will pay for one brand better than others. For example. I was insured thru my wife's insurance for the last 2 years and the first year they would pay all but copay(10-20 bucks) for androgel but for an equal type of testosterone gel (testim), they would make me pay like half whic cam out to over 100 bucks a month. Then her company changed ins. companies and it was totally reversed. You really need to check with your company and ask what they will cover the best. Unless you are for sure that your insurance company is still to crappy that paying cash is cheaper then that is the way to go.

And about your doctor. You should be prepared to ask him these questions as well. I discuss prices with doctors all the time and make sure he prescribes what I WANT AND CAN AFFORD. And ask to see your levels from now on and get copies. It's all normal procedure. Don't be afraid to ask for these things they are all within your rights as a patient.

Good luck brother...tired of typing for now....hope i helped you some but again...how old are you?

[ithilsul]

I recently turned 19. When I talked to the doc, he found out the insurance company wouldn't pay for HGH, and said they probably wouldn't pay for my test. He's paranoid about losing his license over giving me "steroids ". It was really hard getting in contact with him, I had to leave messages on his office phone and wait a week for one response, and according to the paper he doesn't come down here anymore. To sum it up, not worth it.

My appetite is -really- weird, I can't explain it, and doctors couldn't. In the mornings I usually can't eat, for instance, today I tried to eat a bagel, and my gag reflex kicked in and almost made me throw up after the first half. I saw some pillls on the site I got from "the list" in my email that claimed to increase appetite,
"The pronounced androgenic component of Omnadren goes hand in hand with a high anabolic effect which manifests itself in a high strength gain characterized by a liquid accumulation in the joints, an increased pump effect, increased appetite, and a possible improved regeneration of the athlete."
Finding a way to increase my appetite will solve many problems I've had.

I have gotten results in the past, creatine helped alot, but I reached a cap where I couldn't gain anymore, and just couldn't find the time, money or appetite to get as much food as i needed. But I'm out of school and have plenty of time now. I used to be much smaller, sadly. Also about 5 months ago I had a mental um... problem that set me back a good bit, could hardly eat and didn't lift so I lost a good bit of what I had gained, so now I'm ready to start up again.

Also, these shakes, can anyone reccomend a good brand? I have this chocolate stuff from a brand called mesotech, but the taste is quite rancid. I need to be able to buy it online, i can only find 2 brands here, and one is just protein powder, which is delicious but not full of everything I need.

[ithilsul]

oh yeah, my avatar is me, about a year ago, sadly that muscle has like, deflated.

[zaggahamma]

I recently turned 19. When I talked to the doc, he found out the insurance company wouldn't pay for HGH, and said they probably wouldn't pay for my test. He's paranoid about losing his license over giving me "steroids ". It was really hard getting in contact with him, I had to leave messages on his office phone and wait a week for one response, and according to the paper he doesn't come down here anymore. To sum it up, not worth it.

My appetite is -really- weird, I can't explain it, and doctors couldn't. In the mornings I usually can't eat, for instance, today I tried to eat a bagel, and my gag reflex kicked in and almost made me throw up after the first half. I saw some pillls on the site I got from "the list" in my email that claimed to increase appetite,
"The pronounced androgenic component of Omnadren goes hand in hand with a high anabolic effect which manifests itself in a high strength gain characterized by a liquid accumulation in the joints, an increased pump effect, increased appetite, and a possible improved regeneration of the athlete."
Finding a way to increase my appetite will solve many problems I've had.

I have gotten results in the past, creatine helped alot, but I reached a cap where I couldn't gain anymore, and just couldn't find the time, money or appetite to get as much food as i needed. But I'm out of school and have plenty of time now. I used to be much smaller, sadly. Also about 5 months ago I had a mental um... problem that set me back a good bit, could hardly eat and didn't lift so I lost a good bit of what I had gained, so now I'm ready to start up again.

Also, these shakes, can anyone reccomend a good brand? I have this chocolate stuff from a brand called mesotech, but the taste is quite rancid. I need to be able to buy it online, i can only find 2 brands here, and one is just protein powder, which is delicious but not full of everything I need.

The only 2 shakes that had a lot of calories per serving were myoplex mass and this stuff from publix made by mso i think....I didn't know that it had so many calories...i think at the time i looked and checked that it had a good amount of protein and bought it, tried it, LOVED it, but later read it had a lot of cals and not really what i was looking for but it really was good man.

Check em out bro...they're really easy to go down....add some peanut butter and maybe even more choc syrup.

I like your attitude. Very positive when dealt a tough hand. You've maid gains before and looks like you're back man.

Keep us posted

[ithilsul]

ha, yeah, genetics are -not- on my side either, my grandfathers tiny too, but he joined the military to get to a normal weight range, which I've considered, but joining the military just to gain mass seems a little extreme.