Input Please

[StevePJC]

Well I'm taking the plunge myself. I'm a bit lost at where to start.

Will a standard 200mg a week shot do the trick? I'd like to get some input from other Oasis people on what they started with.

[SMAN12b]

Depends on your goals. give us your complete stats and we can help you better. answer ALL the green questions below

[StevePJC]

33 - 6'1" - 330lbs - 28%BF

Diet is a basic high protein, low fat, medium carbohydrate diet. No specific meals every day. I get alot of my recipes from Mens Health. (Please dont laugh..... Too hard) With this I haven't lost alot of pounds but by BF has dropped 12% over the past year.

As for training, I have been an avid lifter for the past 3 years and off an on before that since 16.

Previous cycles are many. Problem was I followed the lead of a now deceased moron and stuck whatever he handed me. From age 21 - 26 I would estimate I did 8-10 cycles. None since then.

PCT knowledge these days is pretty good since I have been an avid reader here for quite a while. (Never post much. Get more from reading unless I'm into something)

Goals are simple. Get the best quality of life possible. I'll be starting a good cardio regimen after beginning my TRT with Oasis so I can maximize things in the gym the most. I'm hoping that whatever I choose to do will help with the transition; less fat, more muscle.

Hopefully I didn't ramble too much and answered questions to satisfaction.

[Spyke]

Steve what are your test levels? So for the 1st 2 years you lifted, your bf was 40%? It sounds like you need to look at your program too. I really hope you dont follow the workouts in those mens mags. Focus on cardio right now. 45 min a day, 6 days a week along with the HRT should get the BF down pretty quick.

You will want to get your estrogen levels checked too. You may be high right now before starting the test. Fat increases estrogen levels in men.

Welcome to the family.....

[ecs44]

oasis will give you a starting point then you can adjust with them from there.stay in touch with your rep.They are very helpful.

[StevePJC]

Spyke, Total Test as of last week was 200.5 - Free test came inconclusive. Doctor explains that means probably 1.5 or less. Estrogen was in "Normal" range. I will get the hard copy of the labs sometime in the next few days.

When I first started lifting again a couple years ago I had my BF checked and it stood at 40%. I messed with some diet tips I read in the Diet forum and tried a crash diet two years ago; For 30 days I ate nothing but chicken breasts, fish, and tuna; Drank only water. Lost 33 pounds in 30 days. Gained it all back of course. Since then I've followed a relatively clean diet with recipes I've found in the magazines. Haven't lost alot of pounds but I've definitely dropped fat and built muscle.

[zaggahamma]

Spyke, Total Test as of last week was 200.5 - Free test came inconclusive. Doctor explains that means probably 1.5 or less. Estrogen was in "Normal" range. I will get the hard copy of the labs sometime in the next few days.

When I first started lifting again a couple years ago I had my BF checked and it stood at 40%. I messed with some diet tips I read in the Diet forum and tried a crash diet two years ago; For 30 days I ate nothing but chicken breasts, fish, and tuna; Drank only water. Lost 33 pounds in 30 days. Gained it all back of course. Since then I've followed a relatively clean diet with recipes I've found in the magazines. Haven't lost alot of pounds but I've definitely dropped fat and built muscle.

congrats on the improvement already...i agree with spyke...make cardio you're friend....looks like you're doin something right already....i reccomend sticking to what's working right now for you and gradually eat cleaner and cleaner...IMO i think it will be better to lose it slowly and like you said you're building muscle as well...

you asked what's standard test dose for TRT....i've seen em pretty low...200 is a large dose for TRT...watch how you feel and keep your blood tested as often as you can

wish you the best bro

[StevePJC]

Well.... My guy at Oasis suggests 300mg Test E per week for a six month stint to see where it puts me. Gonna take his advice. Will make the order tomorrow.

[SMAN12b]

Well.... My guy at Oasis suggests 300mg Test E per week for a six month stint to see where it puts me. Gonna take his advice. Will make the order tomorrow.

Thats a little high for TRT doses, but whatever, just keep in mind that Oasis works on commision

I am on a cruise dose of !30mgs Test E a week and its working fine. JMHO

[Spyke]

Well.... My guy at Oasis suggests 300mg Test E per week for a six month stint to see where it puts me. Gonna take his advice. Will make the order tomorrow.

Yeah something is not right with this...... 300mg per week is way too high as a starting dose for HRT. (Hell thats almost the same dose I am doing as an AAS cycle!) Most Docs will start out somewhere around 125mg and do follow up labs at 8 weeks (I bet he never mentioned that). Plus Test cyp and Test E are really the same exact thing however Test E is more $$$$.

Just because a guy at Oasis says it does not mean it is right. Remember you are dealing with a salesman.

[StevePJC]

Gotta be honest. I'm just stumped here.

[StevePJC]

1st Program Ordered.

200mg a week to start. Called my doc and informed her; Will have bloodwork done at Week 4 to see where I stand.

[welloiledmachine]

First off. Sta12B is a incorrect. no where on this post is even the mention of what Steve's blood work levels of Testosterone are. Everyone's HRT is different because it is specifically looked at by the doctor and he recommends dosages depending on how low your hormone levels are and what are your medical symptoms in your medical history. how do you feel, libido, energy, etc.... Steve, how old are you, and what are your blood work results. If you are young, and have very low levels then 300mg per week for ten weeks with the proper PCT will ensure your levels might rise. a twelve week program not six months. Second, listen to the doctors and your clinical specialist not some anabolic user on steroid .com. Everyone on this site thinks they know everything, so listen to your doctor....I have worked with oasis in the past and all of there recommendations have been right on. and the rep. I delt with has a pre-med degree, hardly a sales man.

[Kale]

First off. Sta12B is a incorrect. no where on this post is even the mention of what Steve's blood work levels of Testosterone are. Everyone's HRT is different because it is specifically looked at by the doctor and he recommends dosages depending on how low your hormone levels are and what are your medical symptoms in your medical history. how do you feel, libido, energy, etc.... Steve, how old are you, and what are your blood work results. If you are young, and have very low levels then 300mg per week for ten weeks with the proper PCT will ensure your levels might rise. a twelve week program not six months. Second, listen to the doctors and your clinical specialist not some anabolic user on steroid.com. Everyone on this site thinks they know everything, so listen to your doctor....I have worked with oasis in the past and all of there recommendations have been right on. and the rep. I delt with has a pre-med degree, hardly a sales man.

Well you obvioulsy know what you are talking about Why would somebody on HRT do PCT pray tell ? and 300mg a week is a cycle dose for ANYONE, not a HRT dose and I dont care what your blood work looks like, 300mg a week will take you over the top of the range by more than double

[Spyke]

First off. Sta12B is a incorrect. no where on this post is even the mention of what Steve's blood work levels of Testosterone are. Everyone's HRT is different because it is specifically looked at by the doctor and he recommends dosages depending on how low your hormone levels are and what are your medical symptoms in your medical history. how do you feel, libido, energy, etc.... Steve, how old are you, and what are your blood work results. If you are young, and have very low levels then 300mg per week for ten weeks with the proper PCT will ensure your levels might rise. a twelve week program not six months. Second, listen to the doctors and your clinical specialist not some anabolic user on steroid.com. Everyone on this site thinks they know everything, so listen to your doctor....I have worked with oasis in the past and all of there recommendations have been right on. and the rep. I delt with has a pre-med degree, hardly a sales man.

Please explain to us how using external test for 10 weeks with PCT would cause natural levels to rise.

Great advice to give to a new guy! Tell him to blindly follow Oasis because his rep knows best. There is more knowledge on this board then any Oasis rep. I happen to know several reps use this board as a reference tool. So quit trying to confuse a new guy and keep your mouth shut, troll.

[SMAN12b]

Well you obvioulsy know what you are talking about Why would somebody on HRT do PCT pray tell ? and 300mg a week is a cycle dose for ANYONE, not a HRT dose and I dont care what your blood work looks like, 300mg a week will take you over the top of the range by more than double

Please explain to us how using external test for 10 weeks with PCT would cause natural levels to rise.

Great advice to give to a new guy! Tell him to blindly follow Oasis because his rep knows best. There is more knowledge on this board then any Oasis rep. I happen to know several reps use this board as a reference tool. So quit trying to confuse a new guy and keep your mouth shut, troll.

[StevePJC]

Well it's a moot point. I had decided on 300mg a week for 12 weeks but instead will start at 200mg and go either up or down based on how I feel and my bloodwork. Will likely settle on 150mg a week.

I wanted to go with Oasis because my doctor IMHO is ignorant to HRT. After my last bloodwork it was obvious something wasn't working with testim. She said we could go to the shot but 200mg for 30 days is where we would start. I thought, Great! A week of great feeling followed by a 3 week valley of shit. Big hint I needed to look elsewhere.

[SMAN12b]

as long as you are satisfied and happy with your results that will be all that really matters in the end. GOOD LUCK and keep us posted

[welloiledmachine]

My bad. His levels are 200. how old are you??

[StevePJC]

33yo

[welloiledmachine]

My point exactly spyke. A bunch of guys with no medical experience or real knowledge except what they learn by trial and error who sit on this board all day. You obviously don't have a life, and if you knew anything about fixing an already low level, then you should know that by having a young guy spike his levels over the range and having him do PCT that there is a good chance of his levels sustaining around 150-200 over, making him possibly stable at 400. without having to be test dependent for the rest of his life, like you obviously are. keep your arrogant comments, you obviously have anger issues, and a hard on envy....Troll??? what are you like twelve>??? The reps you know probably used to sell cars and now are HRT clinic reps...Know what you are talking about..Oasis has two reps with real medical degrees, and who post and speak at every anti-aging clinic nation wide, and also publish articles in anabolic reviews. Check with Anthony Roberts, or any real guru...

[welloiledmachine]

Associate member only means you don't have a real job and sit on this board all day long...No offence but get a life.. These are probably the only friends you have punk...

[Kale]

My point exactly spyke. A bunch of guys with no medical experience or real knowledge except what they learn by trial and error who sit on this board all day. You obviously don't have a life, and if you knew anything about fixing an already low level, then you should know that by having a young guy spike his levels over the range and having him do PCT that there is a good chance of his levels sustaining around 150-200 over, making him possibly stable at 400. without having to be test dependent for the rest of his life, like you obviously are. keep your arrogant comments, you obviously have anger issues, and a hard on envy....Troll??? what are you like twelve>??? The reps you know probably used to sell cars and now are HRT clinic reps...Know what you are talking about..Oasis has two reps with real medical degrees, and who post and speak at every anti-aging clinic nation wide, and also publish articles in anabolic reviews. Check with Anthony Roberts, or any real guru...

Please show me a study that confirms this

[Spyke]

My point exactly spyke. A bunch of guys with no medical experience or real knowledge except what they learn by trial and error who sit on this board all day. You obviously don't have a life, and if you knew anything about fixing an already low level, then you should know that by having a young guy spike his levels over the range and having him do PCT that there is a good chance of his levels sustaining around 150-200 over, making him possibly stable at 400. without having to be test dependent for the rest of his life, like you obviously are. keep your arrogant comments, you obviously have anger issues, and a hard on envy....Troll??? what are you like twelve>??? The reps you know probably used to sell cars and now are HRT clinic reps...Know what you are talking about..Oasis has two reps with real medical degrees, and who post and speak at every anti-aging clinic nation wide, and also publish articles in anabolic reviews. Check with Anthony Roberts, or any real guru...

Thanks for the retarded logic. A young guy who is hypogonadal is not gonna produce more natural test by doing a cycle of AAS. That is like telling a guy with poor eyesight that wearing glasses for a few months will cause him to have 20/20 vision when he STOPS wearing them! BTW I am only a year older then Steve and my levels were very close to his. So yeah, I do know where he is coming from.

Do you work for Oasis? I checked with a real guru. He is actually a DR and probably one of the top hrt guys in the world. Please show me one anti aging conference where the room full of MDs sat there and listened to the Oasis reps with pre med degrees speak.

Sorry I have too many posts dude. You got me on that one. I have no friends because I have a medical problem and go on a board to share info with other guys in the same situation.

[Spyke]

Well it's a moot point. I had decided on 300mg a week for 12 weeks but instead will start at 200mg and go either up or down based on how I feel and my bloodwork. Will likely settle on 150mg a week.

I wanted to go with Oasis because my doctor IMHO is ignorant to HRT. After my last bloodwork it was obvious something wasn't working with testim. She said we could go to the shot but 200mg for 30 days is where we would start. I thought, Great! A week of great feeling followed by a 3 week valley of shit. Big hint I needed to look elsewhere.

Steve sorry about all this other BS going on here.

Sounds like you are on the right track to me. Start with the 200 (which may be a tad high) and do labs in a couple months. Adjust from there. Make sure you check estrogen in the follow ups too. You may need something like arimidex .

Also demand cyp. It will save you $$. Post here or PM me if anything comes up.

[welloiledmachine]

Dont work for Oasis, but have personal proof of raising levels which at age 33 steve is on a sliding scale. And the American Academy of Anti Aging or A4M seminar was held in vegas last week, why don't you google some replays of the topics discussed. you might learn something. Most HRT is trial and error stupid, no proven studies because you can't have a meen or constant test group. Everyone has different levels, and responds to medication differently. And yes my levels were low and I was able to raise them to a constant 150 increase in Total Testosterone level by using HCG throughout my program to stimulate Leutinizing Hormone and spark testosterone production again. No one is talking about synthetic AAS, Hrt is commonly a combination of both, and if that does not work, then he is going to be stuck as a lifer, just like you. That sucks, being 33 and having to be on a maintanence program from now on. Try actually reading some studies, all are inconclusive because of the test group variables. Spyke, you just make yourself sound dumber and dumber, lay of the test bro, you are just killing me with your insults. Get a life. And unless a DR. is anti aging board certified he does not know didly. Who is your doc. I will look up some of his publishings. Im done looser, My job actually keeps me really busy, and if you want to exchange degrees or Education backgrounds, please let me know.

[Spyke]

1st you talk about him running a 300mg per week "cycle" with PCT to raise his natural levels. Then when you we point out how retarded that is, you switch to using HCG as HRT to raise his levels a whopping 150 for a grand total of around 350!

[Spyke]

HCG does not STIMULATE LH production. It does however mimic LH which causes the testes to produce test.

But go ahead and keep calling me stupid.

[zaggahamma]

well, i don't think too much has been said to forgive/forget yet, i hope...i think that we can learn from each other hear instead

Steve...looks like you have a sound plan and have weighed it over and made a nice choice...i like the 200 and go from there approach...very similar to how i did when i got my hand on the vial...LOL

good luck bro

[StevePJC]

The last thing I meant to do was start an argument. I appreciate everyone's input. I have what I am comfortable with; A good plan.

Order has been placed. Don't know how long it takes to receive my meds but was told to watch for them Monday or Tuesday.

[Ufa]

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[Spyke]

Starting to sound like a hate thread.

No its all good on my side. No hard feelings Welloiledmachine.............

[zaggahamma]

Cool peace on earth

SMAN...Merry Christmas to you too bro

[SMAN12b]

Thanks!

Same to you, and a Happy Healthy New Year to ALL !!!!