Cycle to HRT

**kynetguy** · 01-06-2007, 02:41 PM

Those of you who cycle and do HRT/TRT. . .how did you transition?

I am not finding the information I am looking for. My question is rather simple I think, but I am finding sparse information.

Did you begin HRT, let your body level out and then cycle again. Or Did you cycle and rather than doing PCT, go straight into HRT since you would end up on it anyway?

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**Kale** · 01-06-2007, 02:42 PM

No PCT required at all, I cycle then I ween down to HRT levels then when I feel like it I cycle again, simple as that

**kynetguy** · 01-06-2007, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

No PCT required at all, I cycle then I ween down to HRT levels then when I feel like it I cycle again, simple as that

Cool. Yes I know that no PCT is needed. once you are ON HRT.

Maybe I asked wrong.

A guy who is not actively on HRT. Never has been. But Doc is greatly considering it.

Would you:
A: Do your cycle, go through PCT. Once PCT is done, begin your HRT.
B: Do your Cycle, drop to HRT levels at the end and say poo on the PCT since you are going to be on HRT basically indefinately.

I know that once you are on HRT, you just fire up a cycle, continue your HRT injections as well, then drop your cycle, no PCT and continue cruising on HRT doses.

I guess either would work fine. I was looking to do A because I figure that once I start HRT, they are going to want to retest blood levels about a month after HRT begins. Would that be accurate?

**kynetguy** · 01-06-2007, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

No PCT required at all, I cycle then I ween down to HRT levels then when I feel like it I cycle again, simple as that

Oh, when you say ween, basically like a pyramid weening except no ramp up phase at the beginning? Maybe something like:

1 week 500mg
1 week 400mg
1 week 300mg
etc, until you are back to your HRT levels?

Do you mix test esters? Say if you wanted to do 100mg prop ED, and perhaps your HRT is Cyp 250/wk?

From what I read, most people seem to treat the cycle totally independant of the HRT and just pretend the HRT doesnt exist for cycle planning.

**Kale** · 01-06-2007, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by kynetguy

Oh, when you say ween, basically like a pyramid weening except no ramp up phase at the beginning? Maybe something like:

1 week 500mg
1 week 400mg
1 week 300mg
etc, until you are back to your HRT levels?

Do you mix test esters? Say if you wanted to do 100mg prop ED, and perhaps your HRT is Cyp 250/wk?

From what I read, most people seem to treat the cycle totally independant of the HRT and just pretend the HRT doesnt exist for cycle planning.

OK so I would choose A as the blood test done a month AFTER you start HRT will have no bearing on whether PCT was done or not. I cant see the point of doing a PCT at all.

And yes the pyraminding down that you describe is exactly what I do. Yes I mix esters as well. On cycle I love Prop but on HRT I use Test E, I only need 125mg /week to keep me at the top of the range

**marcus300** · 01-06-2007, 04:20 PM

I agree with Kale

No need to go through PCT if hrt is what your going to do inbetween cycles, at the end of cycle taper dose down to hrt dose.

**Ufa** · 01-06-2007, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

I agree with Kale

No need to go through PCT if hrt is what your going to do inbetween cycles, at the end of cycle taper dose down to hrt dose.

I agree with both of you.

**kynetguy** · 01-06-2007, 10:15 PM

OK, thanks guys. I was just kind of having a hard time finding the right info. This is a new thing for me. (HRT) and one that makes me look at the boys and say WTF GUYS?

I understand cycling on HRT and all. But I am going to be doing a cycle later this month and at the same time my doc is telling me I need HRT. My numbers are outside of what is "typically" considered normal. However, due to job stress, my decreased ability to deal with stress (test plays a HUGE role in this) labido being in the basement and my levels a year ago, there have been significant drops.

He actually feels it is Vasectomy related. As there is a good bit of information that has shown a test decrease after vasectome. Though there is no clinical way to prove that is the cause. Especially at 35 when this is expected to happen anyway.

But not being below typical normal ranges wasn't a concern for the doc. He said its a matter of being symptomatic or asymtomatic to the changes of your body. Since I am having symptoms, he feels it is in my best interest to treat with HRT.

A script for test? No one on here would say no to that!

Now I just got to tell the doc I will brew my own. . . . .lol

**Kale** · 01-06-2007, 10:52 PM

Well get ready for a big life change sexually. I am almost 52 and I am banging my Avi on a very, very frequent basis

**kynetguy** · 01-07-2007, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

Well get ready for a big life change sexually. I am almost 52 and I am banging my Avi on a very, very frequent basis

WOO HOO!!!

**ecs44** · 01-08-2007, 08:00 AM

Ive been on hrt for over a year now and what a diffrence it made in all aspects of life.The two most important was dealing with stress(I have 33 employees)and sex life.Between my test and the wifes anavar we are washing sheets more than ever.........

**ecs44** · 01-08-2007, 08:02 AM

OH,Im 44 and feel like a teen getin it for the first time

**Columbus** · 01-08-2007, 08:34 AM

are all of you under doctors care of self-administered HRT?

**Ufa** · 01-08-2007, 08:38 AM

I would venture to guess it a combination of both. Some time us old
folks get confused and just end up doing more than usual.

**Columbus** · 01-08-2007, 08:56 AM

what was your cardio regimine? treadmill at what speed?

**Ufa** · 01-08-2007, 09:04 AM

I go slow on treadmill (4 mph) I get off balance lifting weithts going faster.
I am 55 so I get my pulse up to 135 or so. I takes about an hour and then
a 5 to 10 min cool down. Then abbs. Then the 30, 40, 50 dumbells. Then
the protien drink. I've had stents in heart and take Lotrel. Now, I'm
on test & deca . Small amounts. Will start GH and Anvar shortly. I do low
amounts of test and taper on and off different things.

I'm not any big monster but I feel fantastic. Tomorrow I am getting a
new Pre Cor 9.33. $ 3,500. I am a little rough on treadmills. I only weigh
210 but with 10 & 15 lf wieghts it sort of hammers the machines.

**Columbus** · 01-08-2007, 09:16 AM

So you did a flat 4.0 holding 10lb dbells? How did this effect your strength the following day say if you did it on an off day....? 4.0 isnt slow byy anymeans bro!

**Columbus** · 01-08-2007, 09:17 AM

Oh and when you did your pct after your initial hrt, did you test levels come back at all?

**Ufa** · 01-08-2007, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Columbus

So you did a flat 4.0 holding 10lb dbells? How did this effect your strength the following day say if you did it on an off day....? 4.0 isnt slow byy anymeans bro!

Just got off treadmill. Had my heart rate to a little over 90. Was going
5.8 for a while and a 1% incline. Then back to 4 with dumbells. I try
to keep heart rate at 140. I'm 55 so that is about 90% . I do a little
lifting after that. Some abbs. Next day no pain at all. All I feel is a
little pump. My shins seem to hurt sometimes when on treadmill. You
have to build up to it. After a month or so you will feel so much better.
I do this every day. Only lift every other day. The Deca definately helps.

**Ufa** · 01-08-2007, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Columbus

Oh and when you did your pct after your initial hrt, did you test levels come back at all?

My PCT is a little unconventional. Just my own old fashioned thing. I
taper off Deca first. Anvar is an off and on thing. GH is usually constant
AI's. I tell the Doctors I want lower dose shots and go down to 150mg
test per week for a month or so doing GH an AI's. Then off test. Do
a little gel if I get depressed and continue with tapering down AI's
Afraid of estro rebound. Then off of every thing for a few months.
Test levels after 3 months after last test shot and test levels are about
600. Three hundred higher than when I started.

**rockbottom** · 01-08-2007, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

Well get ready for a big life change sexually. I am almost 52 and I am banging my Avi on a very, very frequent basis

I had this happen the first few weeks. No longer . . . (sigh). Not sure what the problem is - no gyno. Taking an anti e . . .

**kynetguy** · 01-08-2007, 12:35 PM

I think my thread got hijacked into a cardio thread> WTF START YOUR OWN

**zaggahamma** · 01-08-2007, 04:34 PM

hope i'm not hijackin kynet...gulp gulp... i think i'm on topic here..

ufa..anyone else...please elaborate on this estro rebound and also it's signifigance to AI's use as i have started taking 1mg ED for a month since finding out my estro was still at 41

**Ufa** · 01-08-2007, 06:11 PM

JpK I am no expert but to be carefull when I went off everything I took
.5 mg daily arimidex . Then a couple weeks later .5 eod. Then .5 twice
a week. Did this for about 6 weeks. I tapered off everything down to
test. Never did PCT. Natty went from 300 to 600. If I could get natty
up to 900 I'd most likely just stop everything. It's a pain is the butt.

**zaggahamma** · 01-08-2007, 06:40 PM

ok...so you were staying on the AI a bit longer ok...i see...i was thinking that i could take too much 'dex and have to worry bout that...i lost the outside job exercising and put on 2 or 3 lbs. even lowering cals again and it got me worried...LOL...guess it's back to the pre cor and tread mill...btw, ufa...i saw the post about you gettin a new precor....awesome machine....congrats