I have lost it and need to find it again!

[Ramma_Jamma]

Hey guys! I am new here and I am looking for some knowledge from anyone that cares to share it. About 7 years ago I hurt my back and also got married, and then had to little boys. In '99 I did a 12 week cycle of test cyp and dbol , however I knew nothing then about pct. Fast forward to today, I am 35 and weigh about 245lbs (26-28% bf). I have very little desire to train, I will give it a go for a few days and then get depressed and lose all motivation. I will eat good for a few days and then just stop, mostly I f up my diet late night. After reading this board I have come to the conclusion that my hormone levels are more than likely way out of whack. All the symptoms associated with low test and GH levels I have:

Increased body fat, especially around the a**omen
Decreased muscle mass, which can result in reduced strength or physical performance
Feelings of depressed mood, emotional instability, social isolation, and/or anxiety

I want to get back to where I felt most comfortable in my life. I know how to train and I am very educated on what I need to eat to obtain my goals, I just do not have the motivation to do it. In 2 years I have put on close to 40lbs. I know sad huh.

So, I have come to the conclusion that I need to talk to a DR about this, but do I go directly to an endocrinoligst first? I dont have a primary dr here because I just moved back. How should I attack this? What should I ask for? I dont want them to just say "oh your depressed, you need this anti-depressant.

My goals are to cut lots of BF and stop this muscle atrophy. I have read a great deal on GH as well as clenn and t3, but would you recommend those? And would the GH help me more mentally? Ya know get me out of this funk? Or should I add a small dose of test in there as well.

Please help. I need some guidance from all of your knowledgable minds.

Thanks in advance~

[zaggahamma]

Hey guys! I am new here and I am looking for some knowledge from anyone that cares to share it. About 7 years ago I hurt my back and also got married, and then had to little boys. In '99 I did a 12 week cycle of test cyp and dbol , however I knew nothing then about pct. Fast forward to today, I am 35 and weigh about 245lbs (26-28% bf). I have very little desire to train, I will give it a go for a few days and then get depressed and lose all motivation. I will eat good for a few days and then just stop, mostly I f up my diet late night. After reading this board I have come to the conclusion that my hormone levels are more than likely way out of whack. All the symptoms associated with low test and GH levels I have:

Increased body fat, especially around the a**omen
Decreased muscle mass, which can result in reduced strength or physical performance
Feelings of depressed mood, emotional instability, social isolation, and/or anxiety

I want to get back to where I felt most comfortable in my life. I know how to train and I am very educated on what I need to eat to obtain my goals, I just do not have the motivation to do it. In 2 years I have put on close to 40lbs. I know sad huh.

So, I have come to the conclusion that I need to talk to a DR about this, but do I go directly to an endocrinoligst first? I dont have a primary dr here because I just moved back. How should I attack this? What should I ask for? I dont want them to just say "oh your depressed, you need this anti-depressant.

My goals are to cut lots of BF and stop this muscle atrophy. I have read a great deal on GH as well as clenn and t3, but would you recommend those? And would the GH help me more mentally? Ya know get me out of this funk? Or should I add a small dose of test in there as well.

Please help. I need some guidance from all of your knowledgable minds.

Thanks in advance~

Welcome to the board
A lot of us have had success treating the symptoms you complain of with low doses of test alone.

As far as finding the right doctor (not sure if you are using insurance or what because you are talking about GH and T3) because GH is not easy to get. Most guys on that are going though a HRT clinic, but to get started on test, I advise calling your family doc and or a few others and asking if they treat for Low T and if so...make the appointment for that specifically.

hope this helps and best of luck

[Ramma_Jamma]

Thanks for the help. I am calling around now to the Dr's on my plan. I do have really GOOD insurance so hopefully I can use that to my advantage. I just moved back into the area so I need to find a new Dr anyway.

[neverenuff21]

Get extensive bloodwork done first. Find out what is going on. Im on TRT so I know those feelings you are referring to.

Just go to a regular Doc first and get a referral if he cant fix the problems.

This is the part that sucks. According to MY doc. It is hard to find a doc that will scribe an inject, and even fewer insurance comps that will pay for it.

Reason is its a 10ml multi dose vial. For some reason they wont pay for it in that form.

Most use the gel or a patch. Im on methyltest right now but it is obviouslt liver toxic so they are hesitant to scribe it. I bitched because the gel stinks and sticks to your clothing. The patch comes off if your at all muscular and sweat in the smallest amounts.

[sprintr]

the gel stinks? be interesting to take a wiff of it and commit it to memory, so that I can smell out the TRT'ers lol.

[ottomaddox]

I'll send you some of my old Androderm patches.

the gel stinks? be interesting to take a wiff of it and commit it to memory, so that I can smell out the TRT'ers lol.

[39+1]

Hey guys! I am new here and I am looking for some knowledge from anyone that cares to share it. About 7 years ago I hurt my back and also got married, and then had to little boys. In '99 I did a 12 week cycle of test cyp and dbol , however I knew nothing then about pct. Fast forward to today, I am 35 and weigh about 245lbs (26-28% bf). I have very little desire to train, I will give it a go for a few days and then get depressed and lose all motivation. I will eat good for a few days and then just stop, mostly I f up my diet late night. After reading this board I have come to the conclusion that my hormone levels are more than likely way out of whack. All the symptoms associated with low test and GH levels I have:

Increased body fat, especially around the a**omen
Decreased muscle mass, which can result in reduced strength or physical performance
Feelings of depressed mood, emotional instability, social isolation, and/or anxiety

I want to get back to where I felt most comfortable in my life. I know how to train and I am very educated on what I need to eat to obtain my goals, I just do not have the motivation to do it. In 2 years I have put on close to 40lbs. I know sad huh.

So, I have come to the conclusion that I need to talk to a DR about this, but do I go directly to an endocrinoligst first? I dont have a primary dr here because I just moved back. How should I attack this? What should I ask for? I dont want them to just say "oh your depressed, you need this anti-depressant.

My goals are to cut lots of BF and stop this muscle atrophy. I have read a great deal on GH as well as clenn and t3, but would you recommend those? And would the GH help me more mentally? Ya know get me out of this funk? Or should I add a small dose of test in there as well.

Please help. I need some guidance from all of your knowledgable minds.

Thanks in advance~

you just in a funk right now wiht a lot of overhead. ha ha your thirty plus well welcome to the club. o and your not married to the same person you started with it like hitting the wall when you lift emotionally your done for a while. take some perosnal time wiht your wife and take some time to smell the coffee
change you eating habits
I dint think it really effected ya but get healthyfor a few weeks then go throw down a big mac and you will feel "it" have fun be your kids number one mentor
that means you have to compete wiht the advertisers

[zaggahamma]

Get extensive bloodwork done first. Find out what is going on. Im on TRT so I know those feelings you are referring to.

Just go to a regular Doc first and get a referral if he cant fix the problems.

This is the part that sucks. According to MY doc. It is hard to find a doc that will scribe an inject, and even fewer insurance comps that will pay for it.

Reason is its a 10ml multi dose vial. For some reason they wont pay for it in that form.
Most use the gel or a patch. Im on methyltest right now but it is obviouslt liver toxic so they are hesitant to scribe it. I bitched because the gel stinks and sticks to your clothing. The patch comes off if your at all muscular and sweat in the smallest amounts.

some pharmacies can get 1ml vials...my wife works at a pharmacy that sells 1ml vials of test....that would have sucked because my script if for a low dose....BUT....I do my own injections and was getting the 10ml vials EM