Hold the needle...AIs better for "hrt"? read this...

[AnabolicBoy1981]

this is not a PCT post, tho its starts off sounding like one. this IS about HRT.
I had a test level of 52ng after running test prop for 4 months
Did a full pct with letro, nolva, hcg , vita e and finasteride and was....1490ng by week 7! high normal is 827 on the scale.
My normal test level is 600. My balls are also bigger than they have ever been.
free test was 527......high normal is 250! so i have over double the free test!

Go check out my thread in pct section i just posted "The Power Of PCT: From 52ng to 1490ng in 7 weeks!" for what i ran and how much.

but the implications for HRT are great. I have seen a few studies with old men in their 60s who have been given small doses of arimidex and after 2 months doubled their test levels form like the 300 range to the 600 range. Now i would not recomend letro for this long term because of sexual sides, maybe to kick start tho, and maintain with adex. Thogh im sure with adex you could achive enough results, it would just take a tad longer. But what i have learned is that thes AIs are no joke! They do work, and if i was faced with needing HRT id definatly try an AI first.
So it wouldnt really be HRT, it would be HET(Hormone Enhancement Therapy) ...nice huh?

[AnabolicBoy1981]

bump

[zaggahamma]

good stuff

my current hrt doctor (family doctor) said that he was considering doing just a'dex for his
"HET" ...his test level was decent already but estro was a little high so it made a lot of sense anyway

i'd like to see more than just a few studies on a'dex alone therapies

[kick6]

I don't think that AI's are long-term solution for HRT. Some estrogen is necessary for proper immune function. Also, additional free test will also convert to DHT. So you might get horny, but you'll lose hair in the process!

[AnabolicBoy1981]

I don't think that AI's are long-term solution for HRT. Some estrogen is necessary for proper immune function. Also, additional free test will also convert to DHT. So you might get horny, but you'll lose hair in the process!

yeah but if you are just boosting your test and dht to more normal levels, not as high as what i did, then you wouldnt have "excess" dht, youd just hav a normal youthful amount. And even still, you could just take propecia then.

Yeah estrogen is important for proper immune function for sure....case in point, during this whole process i got a case shingles which ppl at my age dont get unless they have aids or something, but the doc says occasionally he sees it in young ppl but had me tested just in case. i tested negative btw n e way...i was using letro, which doest just reduce estrogen, it squashes it. Letro is reserved for extrem things like treating gyno, heavy cycles of highly aromatizing steroids , or an aggresive PCT like mine.
But arimidex is a bit more gentle. It cuts estrogen by about half, not like 98% like letro. In the studies i saw, it still kept estrogen in a normal physioloical range. And reallly, after awhile of being on any AI, the estrogen levels do seem to come up to normal as the testosterone rises, becase the higher testosterone rises the more there is to aromatize to estrogen. So i think a-dex would be doable, especially at a more modest dose. JMO

[meathead320]

It depends on weather the problem is caused by:

1. Primary or Secondary hypo. Mine was caused by being hit in the nads with a rock, the size of a tennis ball, thrown by an amateur pitcher. Yeah, it hurt a lot. I now take 160-200mg EW of Cyp. My blood work had my LH and FSH levels 3x higher than the top of the physiologic range, and a total testosterone level of only 320 ng/dl. With hardly any FreeT.

2. If it is being cause due to high levels of E2, levels higher than 30 pg/ml, then an IA would make sense.

Test to E2, is like a balancing act. Or a Tetertotter (sp?), you push one end down, the other goes up.

However, foor good sexual function, you still need some E2. Most guys have the best sexual function at levels 20-25pg/ml, when you get under 15, or over 35, that is where problems start.

You would need blood work to make sure you stay in that range. Too low is more dangerous than too high, and a lot of guys using 0.25 ED of arimidex would drop too low.

However, 0.25 EOD, or E3D may help keep them in teh 20-25 pg/ml range.

Again, one would have to do regular periodic blood work, to be careful.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

It depends on weather the problem is caused by:

1. Primary or Secondary hypo. Mine was caused by being hit in the nads with a rock, the size of a tennis ball, thrown by an amateur pitcher. Yeah, it hurt a lot. I now take 160-200mg EW of Cyp. My blood work had my LH and FSH levels 3x higher than the top of the physiologic range, and a total testosterone level of only 320 ng/dl. With hardly any FreeT.

2. If it is being cause due to high levels of E2, levels higher than 30 pg/ml, then an IA would make sense.

Test to E2, is like a balancing act. Or a Tetertotter (sp?), you push one end down, the other goes up.

However, foor good sexual function, you still need some E2. Most guys have the best sexual function at levels 20-25pg/ml, when you get under 15, or over 35, that is where problems start.

You would need blood work to make sure you stay in that range. Too low is more dangerous than too high, and a lot of guys using 0.25 ED of arimidex would drop too low.

However, 0.25 EOD, or E3D may help keep them in teh 20-25 pg/ml range.

Again, one would have to do regular periodic blood work, to be careful.

true.

wow that sucks about the rock though. i cant imagine the pain. i think id just faint. sorry to hear that. sounds like he did it on purpose?

[meathead320]

true.

wow that sucks about the rock though. i cant imagine the pain. i think id just faint. sorry to hear that. sounds like he did it on purpose?

No, I was in the wrong place, very wrong time.

I am not sterile though. Sperm count is low, but not gone alltogher.

Neither was my natty test, just way too low to feel good.