saw andropose specialist

[newrobb]

saw "male menopose" endocronologist specialist. he's missing the bioavailble Testosterone . the most important blood level. he's says i'm on the low-end of normal and based on this can't legally treat me with TRT. i was frank with him about my steriod use in the past and that i will use regardless. he was a good guy. he couldn't, however, advise on the dosage and duration of my self-administered HRT treatment. i will take 200mg per week of Test E split twice per week of 100mg to keep the hormone level consistent.
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how long can i use this? will i need PCT at this dosage. should i start and stop gradually? how can i research or get more informed about this? will i keep my gains?
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anyone with experience using Test E at this dose, i'd like to hear from you.thanks.

[bd50]

keep looking for another endo or uro. there are those that are less conservative that will in fact provided trt when you are in the "low-normal" ranges.

[zaggahamma]

TRT is for life...no pct necessary...could you have meant that would an AI need to be added to your treatment....yes...it is highly possible with a 200mg dose of test for some to be converted to estrogen....me and a lot of others on this board are on a similar or less of a dose and are taking arimidex
also agree with above statement...you had one bad doctor...there are plenty more
best of luck either way

[whiteowl]

yup to jpk as usual....you may request an uro.....if ED is the issue....
at 55, i do two injections per week ...split evenly of my prescribed 125....and .25 EOD of armidex....keeps the face from looking like Ali whacked me around for a few rounds....it's too bad that male HRT has the bad press so docs choose to duck the issue.....

[newrobb]

thanks for your responses. this doc is the leading specialist on male andropose in the country. he leads the medical society, etc. he was very good. he did the results of the bioavailable and they won't treat me. also, if they do, it will be probably 200mg once every 2 weeks. so what's the point. again, how long should the cycle be at this dosage and why aren't you saying i need an PCT. i didn't understand...will i get androgenic effects at this dose...what did you mean by the face not looking "punched". thanks.

[whiteowl]

new robb.....test enanthate has an ester that allows the body to take what it needs over a period of time.....sounds just about right for a shot every other week....you will have a tendency (well, i did) to bloat from water retention....so my eyes were puffy as hell....and my face fattened up considerably.....what i learned from reading Merc's thread this weekend is the difference between the cypionate , enanthate and propionate is just the ester which controls the rate of absorbtion of test in the body....e g ...propionate would be ideal for twice per week injections and enanthate would be ideal for every other week.....the sides from the different esters is the key to how you feel and look......to do it justice just do a search on Merc....straight up the majority of his discussion was over my head but as an HRT member i believe i understood the ester presentation....i think pct is for body builders who are specifically elevating test levels to the nines whereas us HRT guys are looking for the "normal level" which allows us to feel like men again and have the energy and focus to do every day living.....

[zaggahamma]

well said owl...once again...pct is post cycle therapy....hrt or trt (hormone/testosterone replacement therapy) is NOT a cycle...IT IS FOR THE DURATION OF YOU LIFE....because if you are in andropause you are not making optimum amounts of testosterone therefore you need to administer it with synthetic test and it can me administered in different ways, however, injections is the most preferred if you read most posts on this sight

you mentioned what's the point, i believe referring to 200mg every 2 weeks...well why do you say that?...that averages 100mg every week and can be plenty to raise test levels for someone in andropause or with hypogonadism...maybe even optimum levels

you never mentioned any other bloodwork that you had checked other than the bioabailable that was missing...what exactly did this doctor check for and/or what symptoms did you complain to him with and you keep praising him...well, what relief has he offered for your symptoms?

back to your first post where you ask where can you get more informed...keep reading posts hear in the hrt forum...there are 1,000's

good luck

[JASA]

can they prescribe hgh

[newrobb]

i was referred to this man by my doctor who is also one of the only sexual medicine specialists in Toronto covered by our national health plan. the endo/andropose specialist was his collegue. at first i was just going to present with the usual HRT "symptoms" to try and get gear for my bodybuilding. i am 45 and i did show in the low-normal range. he knew about my AAS usage. he is a total advocate of this therapy, however contraversial- which it still certainly is. lots of endo's think it's bunk and/or unsafe. let's not get into this. anyway, i don't want to run around looking for more endo's/uro's. i'll try and get my lab reports and post my bloodwork, but i don't see what good that will do. i'm willing to self-administer my own AAS use. i just can't seem to find the information i need and i don't know why it's so hard:
Test E. 200mg. how can people say that only 500mg is going to show good gains. i don't want to blow-up and have everyone know i'm on gear. i'd be happy with 5-10lbs and some more hardness, lower bodyfat. my training and diet is getting very good. so much contradictory info. use PCT, no PCT. use Arimidex even at HRT dosages. don't use PCT at this dose just taper off. i want to use a low dose for recreational bodybuilding because at my age, my test is getting lower and it is harder to make gains and get leaner. plus i have some depression and stuff and it could help me feel better.
people r saying anything less than 300mg is useless. do you have to have low test to find benefits from a lower dose? one Dr. i saw said that dosage monitoring is based on the symptoms that you display while on gear: acne, mood, sex-drive, etc.

[zaggahamma]

i was referred to this man by my doctor who is also one of the only sexual medicine specialists in Toronto covered by our national health plan. the endo/andropose specialist was his collegue. at first i was just going to present with the usual HRT "symptoms" to try and get gear for my bodybuilding. i am 45 and i did show in the low-normal range. he knew about my AAS usage. he is a total advocate of this therapy, however contraversial- which it still certainly is. lots of endo's think it's bunk and/or unsafe. let's not get into this. anyway, i don't want to run around looking for more endo's/uro's. i'll try and get my lab reports and post my bloodwork, but i don't see what good that will do. i'm willing to self-administer my own AAS use. i just can't seem to find the information i need and i don't know why it's so hard:
Test E. 200mg. how can people say that only 500mg is going to show good gains. i don't want to blow-up and have everyone know i'm on gear. i'd be happy with 5-10lbs and some more hardness, lower bodyfat. my training and diet is getting very good. so much contradictory info. use PCT, no PCT. use Arimidex even at HRT dosages. don't use PCT at this dose just taper off. i want to use a low dose for recreational bodybuilding because at my age, my test is getting lower and it is harder to make gains and get leaner. plus i have some depression and stuff and it could help me feel better.
people r saying anything less than 300mg is useless. do you have to have low test to find benefits from a lower dose? one Dr. i saw said that dosage monitoring is based on the symptoms that you display while on gear: acne, mood, sex-drive, etc.

answer to the highlighted question=YES

[keith1958]

IMO Endo's are not very good at HRT. I also feel that 100mg a week is a good dose to start with and it is less you will have to get otherwise. I would try to just get my levels back instead of worrying about bodybuilding. At least long enough to get your hormones back to normal. I will say i do more than 100mg a week but not much more. Good luck

[BigMC]

thanks for your responses. this doc is the leading specialist on male andropose in the country. he leads the medical society, etc. he was very good. he did the results of the bioavailable and they won't treat me. also, if they do, it will be probably 200mg once every 2 weeks. so what's the point. again, how long should the cycle be at this dosage and why aren't you saying i need an PCT. i didn't understand...will i get androgenic effects at this dose...what did you mean by the face not looking "punched". thanks.

The fact that he is the "leading specialist on male adropose in the country" is the reason he wont treat you. He is probably the most watch Dr. in the county as well. Find yourself another Dr. Maybe someone who doesnt draw so much attention because he is treating 1000's of patients? JMO

[TBones]

i was referred to this man by my doctor who is also one of the only sexual medicine specialists in Toronto covered by our national health plan. the endo/andropose specialist was his collegue. at first i was just going to present with the usual HRT "symptoms" to try and get gear for my bodybuilding. i am 45 and i did show in the low-normal range. he knew about my AAS usage. he is a total advocate of this therapy, however contraversial- which it still certainly is. lots of endo's think it's bunk and/or unsafe. let's not get into this. anyway, i don't want to run around looking for more endo's/uro's. i'll try and get my lab reports and post my bloodwork, but i don't see what good that will do. i'm willing to self-administer my own AAS use. i just can't seem to find the information i need and i don't know why it's so hard:
Test E. 200mg. how can people say that only 500mg is going to show good gains. i don't want to blow-up and have everyone know i'm on gear. i'd be happy with 5-10lbs and some more hardness, lower bodyfat. my training and diet is getting very good. so much contradictory info. use PCT, no PCT. use Arimidex even at HRT dosages. don't use PCT at this dose just taper off. i want to use a low dose for recreational bodybuilding because at my age, my test is getting lower and it is harder to make gains and get leaner. plus i have some depression and stuff and it could help me feel better.
people r saying anything less than 300mg is useless. do you have to have low test to find benefits from a lower dose? one Dr. i saw said that dosage monitoring is based on the symptoms that you display while on gear: acne, mood, sex-drive, etc.

TRT/HRT isn't designed for "good gains". Yes anything less than 300mg is useless for good gains. That's bodybuilder/AAS talk. Wrong forum. If your natural levels are low, then you will benifit from 100 to 150 mg per week. You will feel beter mentally and physically and your sex drive will improve. You will also get better results from your workouts. That's what HRT ia all about. I would consult the AAS forum for anything else i.e. cycling, pct etc. When they say HRT is for life they mean the right dose to feel right and keep it steady for the rest of your life, no cycling. Dont get confused by those "online wellness clynics" and their cycles. They dont have your health in mind. I hope this clears some things up. Good luck.

TBone

[whiteowl]

newrobb

the distinction has been made adequately by jpk ...us HRT guys are pincushions for life...but not complaining....bigMC is spot on about the lens your Dr is under...he is probably on a first name basis with the DEA....however, if you do get a new Dr and he decides the low end is not good enough and you get on with the 200 you will find 1) you have the energy for good workouts; 2) you will being poking your wife/significant other as if you just met; 3) life will be worth living again cause you will have the energy you lost when your levels dropped.....finally look at threads by Kale, Merc, JPK, TBones ....you'll find a ton of info that'll help....you may even want to supplement what your Dr sets for you....either way, your life will be yours again and Jr and the boys will want to be out and about more often looking for ways to keep you entertained which is never a bad thing....