New to HRT // Hard Injection Sites

**bobby.average.joe** · 08-10-2008, 08:32 PM

I am a 42 yo in pretty good health. My initial level was measured at 117 and I started 200ml/week of Test-Cyp about a month ago.

After the first two injections, I felt fantastic (well like a 21 yo man I suppose). However, after the third injection, on the 4-5th day, I began feeling down and out again. I waited until the next regular injection day and took my forth 200ml injection.

Again, 4-5 days, it dropped off, feeling like hell, etc. So on the 5th day I took my 5th injection and (being smarter than most, lol) I decided to double and take 2 units instead of the recommend 1 unit. (I suppose that would equal 400ml/week)

That was four days ago and I still feel incredible, but the injection site has become somewhat hard and slightly painful. (I also still have “knots” from the previous injections, but much smaller).

One note: My Doc is an old school chum, so getting Test is not a problem all.

Questions:

Is there a possibility of having a reaction to the Sesame Oil in the T-Cyp that would make the Test not dissolve properly? (This may explain the knots and the falling off on day 4-5)

Is it possible to “overdose” on T-Cyp? (I know many take much more than so called therapeutic doses for building cycles, etc.)

Is there any harm in once weekly 400/ml injections or should I try twice weekly at the 200ml injection?

What other effects should I be on the lookout for if this “double dose” does the trick?

Thanks!

**bobby.average.joe** · 08-10-2008, 08:39 PM

Oh, yeah. Any advise on what to do to about this swollen and painful knot on my ass from the last injection?

Thanks again!

**CiLe** · 08-10-2008, 09:09 PM

400mg (not ml) a week is a cycle. please be wise and go back to 200mg/week. its not healthy long term to be that high. even 200mg is alot. + your pharmacy will keep tabs on your refills. then your screwed if you keep talkin more then prescribed.
i know the feeling can be addicting, but you have got to control yourself.

**bobby.average.joe** · 08-10-2008, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by CiLe

400mg (not ml) a week is a cycle. please be wise and go back to 200mg/week. its not healthy long term to be that high. even 200mg is alot. + your pharmacy will keep tabs on your refills. then your screwed if you keep talkin more then prescribed.
i know the feeling can be addicting, but you have got to control yourself.

HA! Control is something I can do! However, it's become more than just felling better this week than I felt last week; I'm discribing a real "crash", not mearly, not feeling great.

The other question was: where does 200 or 400 fall on the "oh, shit" meter. I supposed you answered that. So the CW would be that 200mg is "high enough"?

Also, thanks for the correction of mg/ml. I should have caught that . . . .

Thanks.

**natureboy** · 08-10-2008, 10:22 PM

You should split your 200 mg per week into 100 mg 2x per week. For example 100 mg on Monday and 100mg on Thursday. Good luck.

**jakk9011** · 08-10-2008, 10:50 PM

I agree about taking 100 twice a week. Also, you should really get some tests done to see what your numbers are like. Even though twice a week is better than once, you really shouldn't have crashed THAT badly. You should have your total and free test, and estradiol checked.
400 is not HRT.. even 200 is thought of by many to be on the really high side.

**bobby.average.joe** · 08-11-2008, 06:13 AM

Thanks for the advice. I will definitly go to twice weekly at 100mg; this makes since on many levels.

I gave a blood sample this past Friday to check my levels. I'm not sure what exactly was ordered, but I imagine total Test is all that was ordered. I will try to get another going with Free Test and other recommendations once I get the results of this one back.

I guess the heart of my question really boils down to what amount is the "right" amount and I guess the blood work will tell that story.

Philosophically I know that more is not always better and finding the right amount for ME is what this is about long term. I am not looking to win any contest, just to feel normal again.

As for the hard, painful injection site, from reading other posts, it appears this could be related to "virgin muscle", "shooting too fast", "missing the muscle and hitting fat", etc, etc.

I think in my case, we have been shooting too fast. My wife is giving me the injections and it completely freaks her out. My advice to her was to hit it hard and shoot it fast to get it over with. This was for her benefit. Stupid suggestion in retrospect. We will correct that.

Again, thanks for the replies . . . . .

**bobby.average.joe** · 08-11-2008, 06:59 PM

One follow-up question for you guys.

Since I have pinned my a** to death, can I stick the 100mg somewhere else? I am traveling and will need to do this myself, so somewhere I can get to would really help!

Suggestions?

Thanks for the advice . . . .

**sorel_C** · 08-11-2008, 07:06 PM

yes shoulders are pretty easy two,,, thats an extra 2 sites for you,, im pretty sure there a few here on this board that go on 400mgs a week as well

**Mighty Joe** · 08-11-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by bobby.average.joe

One follow-up question for you guys.

Since I have pinned my a** to death, can I stick the 100mg somewhere else? I am traveling and will need to do this myself, so somewhere I can get to would really help!

Suggestions?

Thanks for the advice . . . .

Delts, glutes, thighs should give you plenty of options. That way you can give each inj site a 14-21 day rest before you hit that area again.

Stay safe, MJ

**bobby.average.joe** · 08-11-2008, 07:40 PM

I guess I should have asked this in my last post but . . . .

I use a 23ga 1.5in pin for my gluts. I also have a 1.0in, but smaller ga. (for HCG cycle)

Should I stick with (so to speak) the 1.5 for my thighs or go with the shorter pin?

Thanks again. You guys are great to put up with us newbies . . . .

**bobby.average.joe** · 08-11-2008, 08:54 PM

Never mind folks . . . a little research goes a long way.

Great site on injections "how-to":
http://www.howtodoinjections.com/

Thanks.

**bobby.average.joe** · 08-12-2008, 07:54 PM

OK. I'm back with an update to my red, swollen a** issue.

Considering the fact that my dumb-a** "likely" caused this by pushing the Juice too fast I hate to pin again until I see where this is going.

The swelling is still there, but not really sore anymore. But, now the swollen areas are slightly reddish and have started to itch. The itching and redness has begun to crawl down the glut/thigh side of my legs.

Now when I say "red"; I'm not talking about an angry, infected-like red. It's just a bit rosey like a very slight sunburn.

I believe this is getting better; but it is time to pin again (100mg/bi-weekly of T-Cyp) and I was going to follow advise and try my thigh. But with this sh*t going on, I'm a bit reluctant to inject until I know this isn't some sort of reaction. (Just my fouth shot)

Any thoughts on this from some of the more experianced guys? Has this happened to anyone else?

Also, all I have is a 1.5 inch pin in the large gauge. Is this too long for my thigh? How likely is it I could "just stop" the pin at 1 inch without f*cking up some more??

If I don't get much feed back, I'm going to assume you are all tired of hearing about this and just retire the thread. But I need the injection as I feel the crash building so, I would really appreciate any feed back at all!

Thanks again folks.