TRT inquiry

[MR.E-T]

Hi dears
41y/o have been training for 20 years, only in the last 3 years I do 5 steroid cycles but I didn't get any dramatic results from it?! in comparison with other guys...
My normal testosterone level always between 4-5ng/ml (normal range in our laboratories 3-10ng/ml), thinking about TRT... but a fear inside of me from it's side effects
Can I try it for one year?!
if I want to come off from TRT is it enough to do PCT to come back to my normal state???!!!
any advice will be appreciated
thank you.

[Vettester]

Hi dears
41y/o have been training for 20 years, only in the last 3 years I do 5 steroid cycles but I didn't get any dramatic results from it?! in comparison with other guys...
My normal testosterone level always between 4-5ng/ml (normal range in our laboratories 3-10ng/ml), thinking about TRT... but a fear inside of me from it's side effects
Can I try it for one year?!
if I want to come off from TRT is it enough to do PCT to come back to my normal state???!!!
any advice will be appreciated
thank you.

Okay, I'm trying to digest what it is you are needing. You've done 5 cycles, but didn't get any dramatic results? I suspect you didn't have the real stuff or you didn't know much about cycling/diet/and the program.

What are your reasons for wanting to do TRT, when by your numbers you are in the normal range? Try it for a year? If you're 41 with low test, it's usually for the long haul. Also, I hate to be asking all these questions, but what side effects are you fearing?

On the PCT, you've done 5 cycles, what did you do for PCT during these other cycles? Did your other cycles include Testosterone? Did you see some nasty side effects that are making you concerned now?

Have you spoke to a doctor about this? My suggestion is that you talk with a specialist before proceeding any further.

[MR.E-T]

Okay, I'm trying to digest what it is you are needing. You've done 5 cycles, but didn't get any dramatic results? I suspect you didn't have the real stuff or you didn't know much about cycling/diet/and the program.

What are your reasons for wanting to do TRT, when by your numbers you are in the normal range? Try it for a year? If you're 41 with low test, it's usually for the long haul. Also, I hate to be asking all these questions, but what side effects are you fearing?

On the PCT, you've done 5 cycles, what did you do for PCT during these other cycles? Did your other cycles include Testosterone ? Did you see some nasty side effects that are making you concerned now?

Have you spoke to a doctor about this? My suggestion is that you talk with a specialist before proceeding any further.

thanks for the replay
let me explain it:
I think that my cycling/diets/supplementation/training...was v.good, what I want to say that I'm getting the gains during the cycles.. but during and after finishing PCT and checking that my testosterone return to it's normal range I lose all that gains!!!
Some ppl said to me that if I want to keep these gains I must to keep my testosterone level high (high up to top) they are using a smale doses of testosterone between cycles, that's TRT as I know... right???!!!
The side effects that I'm fearing is:
- prostate cancer
- prostate enlargement
- risk of heart disease according to the too many red blood cells and others...
All these things are going around my head, I'm completely confused of how to keep these gains after finished cycle and PCT??????????

[MR.E-T]

is there any suggestion for me?! any help?! or it's a hopeless case for over 40's???

[Vettester]

The way I look at TRT is using a consistent amount of Testosterone , ranging 100mg to maybe 200mg or so (I'm on 200mg/wk), then having it monitored to make sure that it is keeping your testosterone levels in an adequate range. TRT, after all, is 'replacement therapy', whereas you are providing the body and the mind the ability to function like anyone else that has normal test levels.

Can you tell me more about your cycles? What you're talking about doing sounds like cruising, but maybe I'm not fully getting the gist of your objective. Being on TRT does not give me any, if little concern for sides. There is always a risk with doing anything, including getting hit by a meteor if you walk outside, but TRT gives me nothing but peace of mind to know I can actually be stronger and healthier than I've ever been in my life, while in my 40's. If your test levels are low, why not just drop the cycles and go with a program that will sustain your levels in a normal or upper normal range? The AI medicine is easy and readily available, and clomid or HCG can help with LH/testicular support and some of the sides related thereof.

Again, I'd really like to hear more about these cycles, how much, length, and what you've done in the past for PCT and such.

[Vettester]

Also, forgot to mention, simple blood work and physical exams will keep an eye on the prostate. A doctor will run a PSA test and probably check your prostate size (fun!) during an exam.

[CaliPhotog]

If all you are concerned about is keeping gains after PCT your problem may well be with your diet and not low test levels. What is your diet like? Are you adjusting your macros to support all your newly gained muscle? If at the start of your cycle you are 6'0" 195 and at the end of your cycle you are 6'0" and 215 your body needs a greater amount of the right foods to hang on to what it has built.

[MR.E-T]

1st cycle:
week1-8 500mg/week sustanon250 and 200mg/week deca .

2nd cycle:
week1-8 500mg/week sustanon250 and 200mg/week deca.
week1-4 dianabol 40mg/day

3rd, 4th and 5th cycles:
week1-10 1000mg/w T Enantat and 400-600mg/w deca and parabolan 2-4ml/w.
week1-5 50mg/d Anabolon.
and decreased the dose at the end of the cycle...
+++ 500i.u. HCG 2x/week during the cycle.

PCT: 21days after last inj.
16 days 1500i.u HCG E3D
30 days clomid 100/50/50/25
45 days nolva 20mg/day

note: my test level didn't return to it's normal till I do the second PCT after 20-30 days from the first PCT.

[MR.E-T]

8:30 breakfast : 6 boiled eggs(2 yolks and 6 whites), 1 cup oatmeal with a little of olive oil, 2 slices low fat cheese, 2 slices turkey, 2-3 pics toast from whole grain,1fruit,
4 aminos and 1multivitamin + 1000mg vit.C + 1 capsule fish oil.

between breakfast and lunch: 2 scoops whey protein and a small amount of almonds and nuts.

13:30 lunch: 400g any kind of lean meat or tuna fish, 200g boiled rice or potato and salads.

14:30 : 4 aminos, 1B-complex, 1fruit and a cup of tea or coffe.

training 15:30 : during training 4 BCAA.

17:30 immediately post work out : 2 scoops whey protein, 4 aminos.

20:30 dinner : 400g any kind of lean meat or tuna fish, 100-150g boiled brown rice, salads and 1multivitamin.

before bed 23:00 : 4 aminos, 5g glutamine

my diet is always the same.

+++cardio 3-4 times/week for 20-30min.

[Vettester]

Wow, when you say cycles, you really did mean some cycles. It looks like you've put some thought into this stuff over the years, and it looks like you know a thing or two about the diet. I'm hoping that some of the vets, like Marcus might read your story and have some ideas for you about what steps you should take when doing that much gear.

[ythrashin]

TRT is anything between 150-400mg wk of Test. It depends on the individual. Most people get in the high side of normal running 200-250mg a wk.

I know of many people that "cruise" at 200-250mgwk then "blast" up to 500-800mg wk for 8-18 weeks. Then just taper there dosage back down to their normal TRT "cruising" dosage.

Its a for sure way to keep most of your gains at your age...

Just keep an eye on your PSA,lipids and other blood work.

[CaliPhotog]

8:30 breakfast : 6 boiled eggs(2 yolks and 6 whites), 1 cup oatmeal with a little of olive oil, 2 slices low fat cheese, 2 slices turkey, 2-3 pics toast from whole grain,1fruit,
4 aminos and 1multivitamin + 1000mg vit.C + 1 capsule fish oil.

between breakfast and lunch: 2 scoops whey protein and a small amount of almonds and nuts.

13:30 lunch: 400g any kind of lean meat or tuna fish, 200g boiled rice or potato and salads.

14:30 : 4 aminos, 1B-complex, 1fruit and a cup of tea or coffe.

training 15:30 : during training 4 BCAA.

17:30 immediately post work out : 2 scoops whey protein, 4 aminos.

20:30 dinner : 400g any kind of lean meat or tuna fish, 100-150g boiled brown rice, salads and 1multivitamin.

before bed 23:00 : 4 aminos, 5g glutamine

my diet is always the same.

+++cardio 3-4 times/week for 20-30min.

See the highlighted red statement in the quite above? Exactly my point! That may be enough food for you now, and you might grow during your cycle, however when you are finished with the gear you need to add in more food!

[MR.E-T]

Caliphotog may be you are right, and I will try to make some adjustment for my diet...
but the important thing was:
*Is my testosterone enough I,m in the range of 4-5ng/ml (the normal range 3-10ng/ml)?
*Do I need that TRT? or I should to use test boosters?
to everybody your advice please.

[Ntpadude]

thanks for the replay
let me explain it:
I think that my cycling/diets/supplementation/training...was v.good, what I want to say that I'm getting the gains during the cycles.. but during and after finishing PCT and checking that my testosterone return to it's normal range I lose all that gains!!!
Some ppl said to me that if I want to keep these gains I must to keep my testosterone level high (high up to top) they are using a smale doses of testosterone between cycles, that's TRT as I know... right???!!!
The side effects that I'm fearing is:
- prostate cancer
- prostate enlargement
- risk of heart disease according to the too many red blood cells and others...
All these things are going around my head, I'm completely confused of how to keep these gains after finished cycle and PCT??????????

TRT protects you from prostate cancer or enlargement. IN my case 4 years ago I had a PSA of 0.9, a couple weeks ago it came in at 0.3 so my PSA is low and dropping while on TRT.

Yes I have the 53% hemocrit... 50% is normal high red blood count... at 55% they recommend you donate blood which typically would drop it back down to about 47%. Hey you get a coupon for free dinner at Olive Garden for you and the wife plus 2 movie tickets or whatever else they offer in your town for donating blood and you also can sleep well at night thinking your "rich blood" might be saving a life out there.