ipt 141

**SuperBird** · 08-12-2010, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by ReBilly

Can you elaborate what you mean by "quite the opposite"?

i think probably what Vette means is that at 3mgs, the GI symptoms can probably be pretty much not worth the deal for most. because i did a lot of reading too, and alot of the users experienced stomach flu symptoms and nausea so i imagine at 3mgs those symptoms would probably triple along with the dose. is my guess. so i was thinking myself, i shouldnt have to go three times what may be normal dosing, but in light of my issues i think 2mg would be a good test of how bad my issue is. if i dont get flushing or some type of symptom/side effect or any feeling what so ever........ then something else has to be fixed first. otherwise having to do 3 or 4mg wouldnt be cost worthy to me or find the reason why i have to take so much. thats my logic. But if youve read Vette posts on it in other threads and the links hes provided hes pretty knowledgeable about the stuff. so thats where i get my reasoning for following his lead on it.

thats just my 2cents, im basically just another strange puzzle outside of the common experience.

**956Vette** · 08-12-2010, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by ReBilly

Can you elaborate what you mean by "quite the opposite"? My research and personal experience states otherwise. And I've done a lot of both with brem.

Here I'm saying that a does of 2 to 3 mg is where a lot of people have success, the SuperBird says he's gonna try 2 mg, and you said yeah, that's the right move. I'm confused why you said strongly disagree, are you saying it usually takes more, or less?

Also, I get sickly feeling even at smaller doses, like 1mg. I don't know if the stuff is hepatoxic or what, but last time I got my bloods done I had elevated liver enzymes and I've been messing with the stuff a bunch lately. Don't know if the compromised liver makes me get sick easier from it, or if it's a factor why my liver is wheezing...

Sorry for the confusion. I put the word most in bold within the quotation earlier. The majority of folks is to who I was referencing. Lower doses are my recommendation.

I take the position that 2-3mg doses of PT-141 are very high and out of range for the vast majority. PT-141 is also not toxic and should not be a concern for your liver

**ReBilly** · 08-12-2010, 04:11 PM

Cool thanks for clarifying. And in that case I agree, around 3 gets you feeling a little too sickly. I will try the claritin next time I dose myself that high for a crazy weekend :-)

**956Vette** · 08-12-2010, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by SuperBird

i think probably what Vette means is that at 3mgs, the GI symptoms can probably be pretty much not worth the deal for most.

Yes. Hard to elaborate on this subject as it is very tricky. Excuse my light headed response (leg day, been awhile)

If I can paint a picture of what I consider average/moderate for this community:
200 lb male PT-141 user
dose 1mg
plan is to party (sexual aphrodisiac working with your favor) after 2 hours and possibly through the next couple days
this dose wont leave you up at night pitching a painful tent
this dose will alter your thoughts and drive/desire
this dose can lead to enjoyable spontaneity
this dialed in dose can make you feel youthful

now say for example this user takes a 2mg dose instead of 1mg. what happens now is you might really be uncomfortable GI tract wise...but be able to overcome it and have a great time (or a mix of a great time with a bit of priapism)

at 3mg for this user sex likely may not even be in the cards. if you want details on what this could be like...ask toothache or I or others to go into detail.
there are numerous horror stories and stories of lame disappointment. my hope is just to help ppl have a good time so please ask further questions!

**956Vette** · 08-12-2010, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by ReBilly

Cool thanks for clarifying. And in that case I agree, around 3 gets you feeling a little too sickly. I will try the claritin next time I dose myself that high for a crazy weekend :-)

Pls update when/if you do RB. The feedback from the anti-histamine use is fairly hit or miss. Your expertise is valued!

**SuperBird** · 08-13-2010, 02:53 AM

another day. another downer. 2.0mg and no change.

today i repeated yesterdays actions and dosages to the minute exactly except increased the ipt-141 up to 2.0mg and no change at all. no flushing, no GI sensitivity, no nothing. My sexual experience was an exact replay of yesterday. no improvements. my stick had barely any sensitivity to it at all. i had to work really hard. using alot of imagination. again my last performance of the day was a complete failure. no pop. no fireworks. i just gave up, rolled over and quit.

what could be missing from my maintenance? what could be out of control? and now that i have finished processing my tren -ace, i have the good stuff now and not that UG lab garbage so its only going to get worse now. here comes depression.

**ds53** · 08-13-2010, 09:54 PM

Did you get that stuffed up nose problem. I love viagra but my nose is screwed for a day or two after I take it.

**flatscat** · 08-14-2010, 08:21 AM

i have no experience with ar's product, but if it is legit you should a walking woody at 2mg's. No idea what else is going on - your tren dosage compaired to your t dosage should not cause the problem.

**956Vette** · 08-14-2010, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by flatscat

i have no experience with ar's product, but if it is legit you should a walking woody at 2mg's. No idea what else is going on - your tren dosage compaired to your t dosage should not cause the problem.

Or he could be the 1 of 10 who doesn't respond. It's is hard for me to understand how a 2mg dose wouldn't have an effect on a person (as I respond well)...but it happens. Our melanocortin hormones and receptors vary greatly.

**flatscat** · 08-14-2010, 05:15 PM

Just ordered some from ar. I know i respond well to it. will report back after.

**SuperBird** · 08-15-2010, 06:19 AM

yea post your experience so i can see it. i think my prostate is enlarged right now, but i dont know if that might have anything to do with it, im peeing every 30 minutes through the night. i seriously need to have blood work done and we look over that.

**SuperBird** · 08-15-2010, 07:11 AM

well i just read that dostinex/cabergolene will actually load up in your system to keep prolactin levels suppressed, needing only 2 doses per week. increasing dopemine agonist performance kicking your libido up. now i dont know the different between prami and caber but prami is cheaper by far.

what i do know is that i read that Prami's half life is 8-10 hours. so there is no loading and maintenance levels, its a 10 hour thing. its also suggested to take prami at night because of its ability to cause drowsiness, but if my sexual activity is around noon everyday then my effective dosage is missing it by five or six hours. so as of today ive moved my prami dosing to the mornings. now..... obviously if prami has a half life of 8-10 hours, and caber can actually load and maintain then theres your price difference reasoning. because in those remaining 22 hours your prolactin goes back up. so its obvious to me that prami is about half as effective as caber.

so, maybe i will find out if moving prami to morning dosing mixed with the ipt141 is possibly more effective.

if there is a god, im prepared to go to hell because im going to give him a severe cussing.