Starting self injects

[xpunksurferx]

Went to doc today to switch off testim. Looks like he's starting me on .5 cc tc a week im. Gonna see where we are at. He says he wants me to feel good but not like the incredible hulk. I didn't argue. I figure if my t is still low in 2 mo we will up it.

[Epic Ed]

That's 50mg each week, and not even worth it. NO ONE prescribes anything less than 100mg each week as a starting point. Ask him how many Hulksters he's ever know who blew up on 100mg a week.

[Necrosaro]

If .5cc's and it is 250 per 1cc then you are looking at 125 not 50 if I am correct.

[Epic Ed]

Most test cyp is dosed at 200mg/mL although I currently have one dosed at 210mg/mL.

So, yeah -- my math is off. My bad. It looks like he's base-lining you at 100mg EW.

[xpunksurferx]

It's 100mg a week. It's a small dose

[durak]

It's 100mg a week. It's a small dose

ask for a blood test in 2-3 weeks. There is no difference in that and waiting for 2 months.


The key is to get him to agree to where he wants your test to be at. On a scale of 250-1100 what is desired? I got my doc to commit to 1000. Thus, if we will up the dosage until it gets there.

[BOB89]

I'm going to politely disagree with asking for a number for your test to be at. I think you should give it the 2 months and then judge by how you feel whether your dosage needs changed. The BW is helpful but you may feel great at 600 and like crap at 1000. You may be side effect free at 600 and have to deal with E2 issues at 1000. The blood work will let you know where you are but only you can tell how you feel.

Although your blood level may be up after 2 or 3 weeks it may take longer than that for your body to adjust to your new level.

[durak]

I'm going to politely disagree with asking for a number for your test to be at. I think you should give it the 2 months and then judge by how you feel whether your dosage needs changed. The BW is helpful but you may feel great at 600 and like crap at 1000. You may be side effect free at 600 and have to deal with E2 issues at 1000. The blood work will let you know where you are but only you can tell how you feel.

Although your blood level may be up after 2 or 3 weeks it may take longer than that for your body to adjust to your new level.

I must politely disagree with you politely disagreeing. The premise of my argument is that we are motivated to educate ourselves, want to find an optimal level of test for our lives, and that our Dr's often stand in the way of achieving an optimal state because of their personal bias or ignorance.

For example his Dr had him on gels not shots in the first place. It took his initiative to get switched from testim to shots. His Dr proves his on bias in the statement "He says he wants me to feel good but not like the incredible hulk" off .5cc or 1cc?? absurd.

You also seem to think that 100mg a week is a magical starting point, however it is only an arbitrary one his Dr threw up in the air. Waiting 2 months at 100mg vs 150mg or 200mg is a matter of wasted time. At 100mg the probability he will need to increase dose is high, at 150mg maybe, 200mg might be high but he can ease off. So Why spend 2 months of his life at a subpar level when he can avoid otherwise?

As for 1000 level, you to take my statement that I got my Dr to commit to 1000 as telling him to do the same. In fact, I asked what level was he comfortable with shooting for. Of course as you go up the curve potential side effect are come in play.

In line with the underlying premise, if at 1000 sides were bad then it would be reduced to a level that was optimal.

[xpunksurferx]

He started me at 5g of testim, I sent him an email after a week explaining how the benefits had crashed off, and he sent me back another email telling me to bump it up to 10g, I am pretty sure he will bump me to 150 if I am experiencing problems, hell I had to buy a 10ml vial because my ins only covers 30 day supplies, I have enough to last a while.

[durak]

He started me at 5g of testim, I sent him an email after a week explaining how the benefits had crashed off, and he sent me back another email telling me to bump it up to 10g, I am pretty sure he will bump me to 150 if I am experiencing problems, hell I had to buy a 10ml vial because my ins only covers 30 day supplies, I have enough to last a while.

See all the pain and suffering this poor guy had to endure! Cyp 200mg off the bat then adjust.

[zaggahamma]

i think both arguments in this thread offered valued insight...totally agree with testing sooner (than 2 months) and figuring out if the patient is feeling better with said dose also agree that the numbers arent as important as how the patient feels but still can offer insight....and to add 1 to it...i think we can all agree that the 1 packet of testim/androgel ed is definately a dose to skip past

[xpunksurferx]

i think both arguments in this thread offered valued insight...totally agree with testing sooner (than 2 months) and figuring out if the patient is feeling better with said dose also agree that the numbers arent as important as how the patient feels but still can offer insight....and to add 1 to it...i think we can all agree that the 1 packet of testim/androgel ed is definately a dose to skip past

It is a joke, too weak to consider for anyone under 80yo, I am just hoping that 100mg is stronger


Had good sex today but hoping that I am not gonna fall out when the testim is out of my system

[zaggahamma]

It is a joke, too weak to consider for anyone under 80yo, I am just hoping that 100mg is stronger


Had good sex today but hoping that I am not gonna fall out when the testim is out of my system

yeh bro 100mg inject is about double 1 packet/tube of the gels but less hassle and no worries about absorbing, etc.

[xpunksurferx]

I was taking 2 packs when I switched, It was working pretty good, however it was a mess, I wanna up it to 200mg, but I have to figure out how to convince my doc to let me

[durak]

I was taking 2 packs when I switched, It was working pretty good, however it was a mess, I wanna up it to 200mg, but I have to figure out how to convince my doc to let me

Thats where you get him to agree on a target number.

If needed you can leave a gap of 7,8,9,10,11,12 days after you pin to get your blood test. Or you could cut your dose for the 2 pins before a blood test.

[xpunksurferx]

Thats where you get him to agree on a target number.

If needed you can leave a gap of 7,8,9,10,11,12 days after you pin to get your blood test. Or you could cut your dose for the 2 pins before a blood test.

problem is, I dont have my blood test for 6 weeks .

[durak]

I would call and try to have it sooner. Also, I would do as I suggested in my previous post. It would suck for him to come back at t=550 and say thats good to go.

[xpunksurferx]

I agree, and I will make sure I inject at least 7 days out, those were his instructions anyway (weekly injects). Anyway I had my second inject today (started with .5cc, gonna do .25cc e3d now) The pins they gave me are 1" 21g, I injected in the glute, I am 175 lbs, 5"10 approx 13%bf. I don't know if the 1" needle is enough to get into the muscle. I am gonna go with quads on wednesday

[zaggahamma]

I always went in sooner when i was first starting trt...i saw no need to wait..didnt like the "be patient" diagnosis/orders