Secondary Hypogonadism? Help!

[panakamana]

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[panakamana]

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[Vettester]

I thought you said you were keeping it short.

Welcome to the forum!

[panakamana]

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[Vettester]

Are you able to get a lot of water consumption? If so, any issues with the kidneys? Any high BP?

What area of Mexico if you don't mind me asking?

[Vettester]

BTW, they haven't allowed Nebido to hit our market in the US yet. Must be more politics and money involved. There are a few on here though that are very familiar with Nebido, including Marcus 300. If you have some specific questions directed at Nebido in particular, we'll make sure that Marcus gets in the loop.

[panakamana]

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[marcus300]

Hi everyone after doing some reading id like to make my first post in this forum.
Im gonna keep things short. If more information needed please ask.

Im 25 years old, from Mexico, did AAS twice, very small cycles (quantity and duration wise) , once when i was 21 and the second when i was 24, after my second run with AAS i went on a starvation diet for about 3 or 4 months, after all that its where i started feeling like shit, no libido, no energy, no fat gains but also no muscle gains, My second AAS cycle was from july to august 2008. After that I did a starvation diet from august to november 2008. But then came christmas and all december 2008 and part of january 2009 my hunger was ravenous and i ate whatever i saw. I gained about 25 pounds of weight in about a month. Time passed (We are talking about 6 months) and still felt like shit (no libido, etc) so i began to research and in summer of 2009 i decided to get tested on testosterone on my own. To my non surprise i came very low on this.

And went to see and endo.
He diagnosed me with secondary hypogonadism after several blood tests (low FSH, LH, free test, and a really wrecked sperm count, everything else normal) a magnetic resonance of my brain (no visible prolactinomas or hypofisis damage), a testicle ultrasound (no testicle damage), etc.
He got me on HCG 5,000 UI 3 times a week for 3 months, and nothing.

So he got me this time on Menotrofins: FSH and LH 75 UI 3 times a week plus 1 time a week of HCG 5,000 UI for 5 more months, results came back and got my free and total test alright but still FSH and LH low, i have to say that during and after the treatment i still felt like shit and had non existant libido. When i was on this (HCG and FSH - LH) treatment i gained about 12 pounds of muscle. Because my testes DID RESPOND WITH THE ALL THE STIMULATION.

So i changed endos, let 2 months pass without any hormone medication with the hope that my problem as suddenly as it came suddenly will fix itself, but no.

I went and frozed 4 semen samples just in case with TRT in the next five years i cant have kids.


So got again blood work, my free test went back to the floor, my FSH also came low, everything else the dr. told me was on normal ranges, so he diagnosed again secondary hypogonadism wich he told me is cronical and without cure, and wants to get me on Nebido on a loading phase 1,000 mg first month, 1,000 mg second month, 1,000 mg every three months from there for life.

Additional Info:
It has been 2 years since my AAS cycle and my starvation diet. Since that i confess im a bit of ocd and always keep things very hard on myself diet and exercise wise.

Im constipated all the time. And have seen a lot of specialist about this problem and no one seems to find how to cure me. My diet is paleo like, i do not eat processed foods and get about 40g of fiber a day. I do not drink alcohol or consume any drugs and still i have the most sluggish intestines. I go about 2 times a week if its a good week.

Another thing worth mentioning is that i suffer from mild depression (must be a symptom of LOW T) but also i have been diagnosed in the past with Anxiety Disorder (Panic attacks) since i was 20. Stress some days is pretty hard on me.

Any experiences like mine? Any recommendations? Any feedback is truly appreciated as Im new to this subject and a little worried.

Thanks,

Thanks for giving us some background, you have done many things wrong over the years what would without doubt contributed to your complaint, first starting AAS at the age of 21yrs old, I am not sure of your weight and experience when you was 21yrs old but from what you have told me I don't think you was ready by any means. Second is the starvation diet straight after your second cycle, why on earth would you do that at such a precious time, during pct and after is a very important time, you went into a starvation diet at a time when the stress hormones of the body are at the highest and calories need to be increased and not reduced, this would of cause a drastic shift in your own bodies hormones and made you very catabolic. Your body wouldn't off been in any positive to recover itself so there is no wonder your in the state you are, it takes time for the body to re-adjust itself and go forward out of a catabolic state and especially from a starvation diet into a over eating regime.

I can tell that your diet needs looking over because if your hard on yourself there is no need to be, this is an area you need to look at straight away, also the depression your having is due to the lack of hormones/testosterone your body isn't producing and can be easily cured by HRT, if your HPTA will not re-start and you have had this confirmed by blood test's and various Endos then there is only one course of action in my eyes, I've been there and I can tell you dancing with the demons what low testosterone bring along with it.

Nebido is great and I cant express how much your life will change, infact every aspect of your daily life will be effected in a positive way, I've got a thread on nebido below on the links in my signature, feel free to look over it you may find some of the content interesting. Trust me things can and will change you just need the right medication and some other changes in your lifestyle

[panakamana]

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[panakamana]

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[marcus300]

Marcus thank you very much for your time and post. You drawed a smile on my face.
Yeah ive been wrong several times about my decisitions. That's why i dont want to get it wrong this time. Both of my endos concluded that i need TRT, but i have been doing research and some people suggest using clomid, or just leaving my body to heal alone. Im scared ill go into TRT with nebido with a wrong diagnosis (even as my endo is a really good doctor and knows his area) because TRT is for life and I would never go back to normality. Anyway if i got this straight your opinion is that i should opt to go with TRT right?
I read all your posts about the nebido. Its conforting to read good things about the medication you are gonna be using for life.
So do you think nebido is right for me?
BTW my loading phase would be like this:
1st Month: 1000mg
2nd Month: 1000mg
Every 3 months: 1000mg and so and so.... (might have to adjust with time)
How does that look?

Sorry for so many questions but im clearly in a desesperate state right now.

Well your Endo is far more qualified than me to confirm you need HRT but what is troubling me about your problems is, if you do an aggressive PCT to see if you can bring back your natural hormone production this could send your hormones on a roller coaster ride and you could feel worse than you do right now, pct compounds are harsh on the body,but what have you got to lose!! have you tried clomid/nolva/HCG at all?

I was getting confused with times and dates on your first post so can you confirm, how long is it from your last cycle to date? did you ever do a solid pct from your last cycle?

You dont want to be scared about HRT, if you need it then can be a life saver.

There are many different front loads Endo advice with nebido, usually its revolves around 6 weeks for the first two shots then around 10-12 weeks there after.

One thing is for sure you need to address your condition and stop living your life like this, I know for sure HRT can and will transform everything about your daily life, I would say its your decision if you want to try and re-start your natural testosterone production or go straight for hrt.

[panakamana]

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[marcus300]

For the seriousness my endo talked to me i could think that his final diagnosis was secondary hypogonadism and its treatment TRT.
No i never tried clomid/nolva/hcg . My first endo got me on HCG 5,000 UI 2 x week for the first 3 months. And after seeing very little improvement on my T he went with HMG (FSH/LH) 75 UI 3 x week + HCG 5,000 UI x 1 week. Im gonna ask my endo if he thinks clomid would re-start my natural T production.





Last AAS cycle was aproximately on June 2008, so 2 years now. Never did any kind of PCT. I went to live to outside my country exactly when i finished the cycle so i didnt worried about at the time. But i was very ocd so i jumped into a really harsh diet.



Yeah you are right. I just want to have all the posibilities. Im 25 years old and its pretty soon in my life to be depending on something. Anyway its maybe just hard to believe. I would love to feel normal again and if TRT is gonna do that im all in.

You didn't implement a pct on your last cycle!!! it gets worse

So if its been 2 yrs since you lasted cycled and straight after the last cycle you introduced a starvation diet without any kind of pct, how long as it been since you stop the harsh dieting and you started to eat a solid diet again?

[panakamana]

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[marcus300]

I know that not doing pct was the worst decisition i could take.
Ive been eating a more solid diet since october last year, i gained like 15 lbs of what a think is muscle since then (measured myself before and after with calipers).

From the sounds of it I think you need HRT, I can't see doing another PCT will do any good after all this time.

[Vettester]

That was a lot of HCG that you took (5,000iu x 3/wk for 3 months). I wonder if there could be some desensitization issues taking place?

I agree with Marcus ... I think you've passed the point of no return and you are probably looking at HRT from hereon.

Also, sounds like a great move going from Mex City to Cancun! I've been to Mexico City numerous times on route to Jalisco and it's quite the hectic place. I'm sure the change of scenery will help in itself. BTW, eat a few extra platanos for help with the constipation, and keep drinking more water.

[panakamana]

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[panakamana]

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[marcus300]

Yeah. Im starting monday with nebido. Im gonna take at least 1 month off the gym and im gonna try to eat like a horse. Rest rest rest, sleep and no more stress.

Thanks for everything.

Thats great news, I am sure Nebido will cure all your hormonal issues, all the best

[cjw2021]

Too much fiber will lower testosterone levels . I have no idea what you are eating, but I would not recommend doing anything extreme beyond the majority fat diet followed by protein and carbs. I would go see an environmental medicine MD regarding your problems because if your gut isn't functioning right nothing will I can guarantee it.