Womans Wellness

[up2itt2003]

Before you crush me here, just read this and if you have an answer, I'd greatly apprecieate it.

Wifey and are in our late 40's. i have recently started TRT and Love it.
Wifey is envious of the results and wants a females version.

i cant blame her, i look better, feel better, have way more stamina through out the day and evening and to top it off, i sleep like a baby.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!

[zaggahamma]

Before you crush me here, just read this and if you have an answer, I'd greatly apprecieate it.

Wifey and are in our late 40's. i have recently started TRT and Love it.
Wifey is envious of the results and wants a females version.

i cant blame her, i look better, feel better, have way more stamina through out the day and evening and to top it off, i sleep like a baby.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!

in case you havent yet..have you asked the doctor thats providing you your treatment?

[up2itt2003]

I have asked HIM. I have been working on this guy for over a year to get me on to the first step of this fountain of lost youth. When it comes to this topic, he glazes over right away and moves on to another topic that he is comfortable with.

[ReBilly]

I have asked HIM. I have been working on this guy for over a year to get me on to the first step of this fountain of lost youth. When it comes to this topic, he glazes over right away and moves on to another topic that he is comfortable with.

Have you tried searching for anti-aging clinics in your area? The TRT guys don't know what to do with women but an endo or a AA doc does

[Times Roman]

I think with the women, isn't it more HRT?

[forrest_and_trees]

No reason to slam, I think your question is perfectly legit. There are a couple of women here on this site that would likely know. Hopefully they'll chime in soon. However, if I had to guess I'd start with a Google search on, "HRT and Female anti aging". I found quite a few interesting links that way.

I also know Suzanne Somers has put out a number of well respected books on the subject.. I would think that might be a good place for your wife to start.

I'd also checkout the following site related to the matter: Bio-Identical Hormone Replacement Therapy. It should give you some good info to work with as well.

I hope this helps.

Best of luck.

[zaggahamma]

No reason to slam, I think your question is perfectly legit. There are a couple of women here on this site that would likely know. Hopefully they'll chime in soon. However, if I had to guess I'd start with a Google search on, "HRT and Female anti aging". I found quite a few interesting links that way.

I also know Suzanne Somers has put out a number of well respected books on the subject.. I would think that might be a good place for your wife to start.

I'd also checkout the following site related to the matter: Bio-Identical Hormone Replacement Therapy. It should give you some good info to work with as well.

I hope this helps.

Best of luck.

good work mr. mcqueen

[Vettester]

I have asked HIM. I have been working on this guy for over a year to get me on to the first step of this fountain of lost youth. When it comes to this topic, he glazes over right away and moves on to another topic that he is comfortable with.

This is really the main problem. You just need to get with a clinic that specializes in HRT for women. They are out there and can definitely help.

[PPC]

Before you crush me here, just read this and if you have an answer, I'd greatly apprecieate it.

Wifey and are in our late 40's. i have recently started TRT and Love it.
Wifey is envious of the results and wants a females version.

i cant blame her, i look better, feel better, have way more stamina through out the day and evening and to top it off, i sleep like a baby.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks!

If your wife was menopausal it would be easier to get a doc on board. Seeing that she is still in her 40's, she will most likely need to see an HRT specialist because most docs think that women have all the sex hormones they need so long as they are having periods.

That is nonsense of course.

To get started, she could ask her regular doc to test all her sex hormones, most docs will usually comply with this. Have her test, E2 (estradiol) progesterone, testosterone both free and total and a thyroid panel...TSH, Free T3, Free T4 and maybe reverse T3 if the doc is open to that, see is she can add a morning cortisol also.

Once she has her results, it will be a place to start. She can either take some solid info/studies to her regular doc and if her blood tests show she is lacking, she could try to insist she needs scripts for bio identical hormones, creams will need to be compounded. Or she can take her results to a doc who specializes in anti-aging type medicine.

Many women end up seeing holistic/naturopathic doctors when they start to investigate practitioners for hormones. These docs most often use saliva tests for women's hormones (which almost always show elevated levels of estrogen) and basically diagnose estrogen dominance for every woman. Treatment is usually a 2% progesterone cream and hundreds of dollars in supplements. Holistic docs do serve a great purpose and I don't want to bash them but most of them never get past Dr John Lee's ideas (the pioneer of progesterone therapy) with regard to hormone therapy. For some reason they just stop there and ignore the last decade of research showing the importance of sufficient E2 levels in women. Purely treating 'estrogen dominance' is not correct replacement therapy in my mind but it is quite common.

The best book I can recommend for your wife to read to give her a great understanding of how BHRT can help her is ' The Natural Superwoman,' by Dr Uzzi Reiss. His previous book, 'Natural Hormone Balance' is excellent also as are Suzanne Somer's books.

I am female, in my late thirties and I use Testosterone, progesterone and estrogen. Balancing my hormones has given me my health back. I have heard 'Bodylogic' is a good antiaging clinic for females but sometimes those places are costly. Being armed with information will save $$$. I took books in to my local doc and read out studies, was basically a real pest... and finally got what I needed in an affordable way.

I wish your wife the best and am glad that she is open to the idea of improving her health this way.

You can also find a compounding pharmacy in your area and ask them for names of docs who call in prescriptions for compounded estrogens, testosterone and other hormone creams. This is how I found a great doc for my husband.

[Vettester]

PPC, excellent post and great advise! I hope women everywhere are reading and taking a close look to see if this isn't something that can benefit them too.

[stevey_6t9]

Look in HGH, theres plenty of memebers partners and wives running it and having great results in weight loss, muscle gain, energy etc.

[SlimmerMe]

ditto: books to read above so she will arm herself with the info as well as calling some compounding pharmacist (who love sharing info) to find a list of docs who prescribe HRT so she gets what she wants.... so she does not have to beg for anything

I would recommend an anti-aging doc unless her gyno is real experienced in this---plus I suggest bio-identical as opposed to synthetic which some doctors still do---this is why reading the books are so so important

I started BHRT 7 months ago and feel like a different person. Above and beyond anything else, I feel a great sense of well being. No depression. Less mood swings and much better sleep---good luck to your wife!

[forrest_and_trees]

I think I know what a "compounding pharmacist" is; [I wiki'd the term ...but still a little confused] however, how do you find one who specializes in HRT?

[SlimmerMe]

most compounding pharmacist have gotten into the business of BHRT----it has become a HUGE part of their business!!!

simply do a search in your area---call around---oddly enough I have found that many compounding pharmacist ship all over the place (even though the doc is nowhere nearby)---I think the docs meet them at conferences and establish relationships and go from there. I have called 5 specific compounding pharmacies and so far every head pharmacist has gotten on the phone with me and told me A LOT! they are cut from a different cloth---they love what they do and want to share loads of info---so this is a great way to find a doc and find out specific info as to anything you want to know.... whether a doc search or hormone info--they all love to talk about it!

[PPC]

most compounding pharmacist have gotten into the business of BHRT----it has become a HUGE part of their business!!!

simply do a search in your area---call around---oddly enough I have found that many compounding pharmacist ship all over the place (even though the doc is nowhere nearby)---I think the docs meet them at conferences and establish relationships and go from there. I have called 5 specific compounding pharmacies and so far every head pharmacist has gotten on the phone with me and told me A LOT! they are cut from a different cloth---they love what they do and want to share loads of info---so this is a great way to find a doc and find out specific info as to anything you want to know.... whether a doc search or hormone info--they all love to talk about it!

Can you share a little about your BHRT ie; what hormones you use and in what form. Had your levels crashed prior to starting or were you just seeking a higher standard of health?

I don't know why, but I can't pm you. There is no pm under your username.

[Vettester]

Can you share a little about your BHRT ie; what hormones you use and in what form. Had your levels crashed prior to starting or were you just seeking a higher standard of health?

I don't know why, but I can't pm you. There is no pm under your username.

Yes, I would also enjoy hearing more about her program too.

[SlimmerMe]

Here is my program that I started in January this year as I was seeking a higher level of health:
BIO-IDENTICAL HORMONES:
Compounded transdermal cream ED and started with:
Biest: 50/50 4mg ( Estradiol/Estriol) Progesterone 25, Test 4, DHEA 35
and then 3 months later after BW:
He switched me to: 80/20 ( Estradiol/Estriol) since he wanted my Estradiol to go up much more and also raised the Test to 6 mgs (from 4)
yet: just last month ( 6 months later since starting) he returned to the original formula since my testosterone BW measured high (with acne to go along with it)
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THYROID:
Right away back in January, he switched me from Synthroid to a compounded t3/t4 (for a precise dosage) and then to Armour a couple months later and just recently lowered my Armour (after BW had improved)
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HGH:
Late April he measured my IGF-1 level which measured 99 diagnosing me with deficient adult growth hormone and he felt hgh (omnitrope) would be good for me. Originally he wanted for me to take 3 units a day... but my instinct told me to start lower with 1 unit and this actually turned out to be too high! with horrible headaches and fatigue so I went to .5 for awhile and then gradually worked my way up to 2 units (all along feeling bloated and more bloated the higher I went).... so.. after tweaking a bit I decided for now I feel my sweet spot is 1.5 ED

[PPC]

Here is my program that I started in January this year as I was seeking a higher level of health:
BIO-IDENTICAL HORMONES:
Compounded transdermal cream ED and started with:
Biest: 50/50 4mg ( Estradiol/Estriol) Progesterone 25, Test 4, DHEA 35
and then 3 months later after BW:
He switched me to: 80/20 ( Estradiol/Estriol) since he wanted my Estradiol to go up much more and also raised the Test to 6 mgs (from 4)
yet: just last month ( 6 months later since starting) he returned to the original formula since my testosterone BW measured high (with acne to go along with it)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THYROID:
Right away back in January, he switched me from Synthroid to a compounded t3/t4 (for a precise dosage) and then to Armour a couple months later and just recently lowered my Armour (after BW had improved)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HGH:
Late April he measured my IGF-1 level which measured 99 diagnosing me with deficient adult growth hormone and he felt hgh (omnitrope) would be good for me. Originally he wanted for me to take 3 units a day... but my instinct told me to start lower with 1 unit and this actually turned out to be too high! with horrible headaches and fatigue so I went to .5 for awhile and then gradually worked my way up to 2 units (all along feeling bloated and more bloated the higher I went).... so.. after tweaking a bit I decided for now I feel my sweet spot is 1.5 ED

Thanks, this is great to see.

It's interesting to observe from your experience and others that women often need to use much smaller doses of HGH than men. In his book, 'Natural Hormone Balance' Dr Uzzi Reiss mentions most of his female patients recieve from 2-6 units of HGH per week. In his latest book he mentions his patients using 0.5-1.5mg weekly. If 3iu's = 1mg those are pretty small doses.

In Suzanne Somer's book 'Breakthrough,' she mentions she uses just 0.08mg of HGH per day.

This is in keeping to the model of Dr Theirry Hertoghe. MD, the Belgain antiaging specialist who has used HGH longer than any other physician for antiaging purposes. Hertoghe has found that higher doses are unnecessary because HGH has an effect on so many reactions and other hormones in the body. He believes a conservative dose of HGH when taken in combination with other hormones achieves just as good results as using HGH alone in much higher doses.

I know I shared that study with you on another thread how HGH can help thyroid by converting T3 to T4 more efficeintly. I read this today, from 'The Natural Superwoman by Dr Uzzi Reiss....

page 136 "finally....HGH also improves thyroid function. I have found that hGH improves the production of T4 and the conversion of T4 to T3, the most active thyroid hormone. When this occurs, women with untreated thyroid deficiency will find that their condition will improve and those who supplement thyroid may have to decrease their dose."

I haven't started using HGH yet but I do plan to in the future so learning from your experience is valuable.

[Vettester]

Slimmer, thanks for sharing that. It's real interesting to see what they do for females.

Kind of curious, what levels do they aim to get you at on testosterone and estradiol? Do you do a lot of lab work sessions to keep this monitored? Also, I didn't realize that HGH is so popular with women on HRT.

Also, what was your life like before getting on HRT? Did it change everything for the better (sleep, mood, libido, etc.)? Any problems, issues?

Some of this is aimed with helping my wife. At 40, she has gone through her own roller coaster ride over the past few years, and it's obvious that it is hormonal related. Her doctor changes up her BC pill, which has helped somewhat, but I know that's just a temporary patch. She will probably start a thread here to get some thoughts from you, PPC, and others who can give her some solid advise.

[SlimmerMe]

Thanks to you both. Great to get confirmation on hgh improving thyroid function. I was shocked to see this improvement in such a short period of time. And the lower gh dose seems to be better for me and it sounds like I am not alone on this.

As far as goal BW levels, I will have to ask the doc since he has scribbled all over the paperwork with graphs and arrows and I am not real clear... therefore I do not want to guess. And since January I have had BW done 3 x's and saliva test 2xs. First saliva for in the very beginning for cortisol and then a second saliva test last month to cross check/compare BW.

My mood prior to HRT: Anxiety. Mood swings. Depression. Fatigue. Irritable.
After: Superior sense of well being. All above symptoms started to vanish in about a month and for sure by 3 months. Sleep is DEEP and vivid like never before.

Forgot to mention earlier that my doc added nighttime compounded progesterone capsules for calming me down before bed.

Any problems? I think in the very beginning I was wired up. Could not sleep. I have no idea if it was the testosterone or the fact that I was so excited to start this journey.

And as far as hgh being popular with HRT. I think the more progressive (anti-aging) the doc, the more they are into adding this therapy.

[PPC]

Slimmer, thanks for sharing that. It's real interesting to see what they do for females.

Kind of curious, what levels do they aim to get you at on testosterone and estradiol? Do you do a lot of lab work sessions to keep this monitored? Also, I didn't realize that HGH is so popular with women on HRT.

Also, what was your life like before getting on HRT? Did it change everything for the better (sleep, mood, libido, etc.)? Any problems, issues?

Some of this is aimed with helping my wife. At 40, she has gone through her own roller coaster ride over the past few years, and it's obvious that it is hormonal related. Her doctor changes up her BC pill, which has helped somewhat, but I know that's just a temporary patch. She will probably start a thread here to get some thoughts from you, PPC, and others who can give her some solid advise.

I'm thinking of posting a (hopefully) brief, mini guide to female HRT. It will include hormonal ranges to shoot for, types of treatments and a little of my own experience. If I get time this week I'll do it.

You mentioned birth control pills. That subject needs it's own thread too at some point. I don't want to preach too much fire and brimstone about their dangers but they are commonly libido killers. BC pills inhibit normal ovarian function and then intoduce synthetic estrogens and progesterones to replace natural ones. While that has it's own concerns, nothing is done to replace testosterone!!!!

As females we make about 1/10 of the T men do and we need every bit for our confidence, libido, energy etc. The pill reduces about 70% of our testosterone and then dramatically raises SHBG due to the oral hormones which basically make the left over 30% unusable by our body.

My experience with the pill was disasterous on my mental health. There are studies showing the pill raises depression markers in women who have never previously had depression. This happened to me. Of course I didn't know I was naturally low in T at the time but the pill stripped me of what little I had and my husband hardly knew the person I became. I'll post those studies at some point.

Some women who have naturally high levels of T can feel somewhat okay on the pill and it can help reduce acne since these women often have an imbalance of T-E in thier body. But there are much healthier ways to restore this balance.

We need to start a thread sometime that offers ideas for alternatives to oral birth control pills that are healthier. I have compiled quite a few studies and info on BC pills and it's pretty startling. As women, we are handed BC pills out by our docs like they're candy. Atleast if women have access to this sort of info they can have the knowledge to ask hard questions of their docs and take charge of their own health.

I understand it can be a hard decision to go off birth control when pregnancy is not desired at the time so I don't want to slam anyone who uses them.

[BengalWoman]

I'm thinking of posting a (hopefully) brief, mini guide to female HRT. It will include hormonal ranges to shoot for, types of treatments and a little of my own experience. If I get time this week I'll do it.

You mentioned birth control pills. That subject needs it's own thread too at some point. I don't want to preach too much fire and brimstone about their dangers but they are commonly libido killers. BC pills inhibit normal ovarian function and then intoduce synthetic estrogens and progesterones to replace natural ones. While that has it's own concerns, nothing is done to replace testosterone !!!!

As females we make about 1/10 of the T men do and we need every bit for our confidence, libido, energy etc. The pill reduces about 70% of our testosterone and then dramatically raises SHBG due to the oral hormones which basically make the left over 30% unusable by our body.

My experience with the pill was disasterous on my mental health. There are studies showing the pill raises depression markers in women who have never previously had depression. This happened to me. Of course I didn't know I was naturally low in T at the time but the pill stripped me of what little I had and my husband hardly knew the person I became. I'll post those studies at some point.

Some women who have naturally high levels of T can feel somewhat okay on the pill and it can help reduce acne since these women often have an imbalance of T-E in thier body. But there are much healthier ways to restore this balance.

We need to start a thread sometime that offers ideas for alternatives to oral birth control pills that are healthier. I have compiled quite a few studies and info on BC pills and it's pretty startling. As women, we are handed BC pills out by our docs like they're candy. Atleast if women have access to this sort of info they can have the knowledge to ask hard questions of their docs and take charge of their own health.

I understand it can be a hard decision to go off birth control when pregnancy is not desired at the time so I don't want to slam anyone who uses them.

I Hope you do start a thread on BC. That would be a great starting point for me. I am married to Vetteman. I have been on BC since I was 17 - I'm now 40. When I have talked to my doctor about hormones she says I am getting more hormones in my BC than I would on otherwise. Blood tests do not show that I am menopausel but I believe it is its beginning stages. (missed months) The thought of going off BC is scarey to me. I don't want the rollar coaster that I had way back when. The cycle was 3x longer and painful.

[Termin8r27]

This is really good information, thanks for sharing ladies!

I want my wife to get checked out and she if finally ready as well. I'm in the process of trying to help her with research.

[PPC]

I Hope you do start a thread on BC. That would be a great starting point for me. I am married to Vetteman. I have been on BC since I was 17 - I'm now 40. When I have talked to my doctor about hormones she says I am getting more hormones in my BC than I would on otherwise. Blood tests do not show that I am menopausel but I believe it is its beginning stages. (missed months) The thought of going off BC is scarey to me. I don't want the rollar coaster that I had way back when. The cycle was 3x longer and painful.

Great to see you here. Yes, I'm sure it seems scary to consider changing something that has been a constant for so long.

40 is early to start the journey into menoapuase but it is happening earlier for many women these days so you are not alone. Missing cycles and then bleeding heavier is an obvious sign of perimenopause.

I have regulated my cycles with the use of vaginal progesterone. I used to bleed so heavily and for so long that I got severe annemia and my cycles were all over the place. Hang in there, there are ways to get your hormonal health back. Now I'm like clockwork.

I'll try to get started on those threads in the near future but this week is starting to look crazy with some deadlines. I'll get the info out pretty soon though. On the BC thread you could feel free to share what type of BC you use and whether it was scripted for reasons other than just birth control. Telling a little more about the roller coaster situation you reffered to may give us a good place to start.

[forrest_and_trees]

Thank you for sharing such important and intriguing information. The more I learn about HRT, the more I am convinced a great number of people, both men and women, can benefit from this knowledge. Please continue to share your insight.

[MJH]

Hello everyone. I live in Queretaro, MX. Two years ago I had a complete hysterectomy. I would like trt to restore my sex drive. I can purchase many things here without a prescription. I'm not sure how to start. I certainly don't know how much to take, but it seems like the gel would be the way to go. Currently, my husband injects me with Binodian once a month (made by Bayer). It's an estrogen replacement. I simply want my sex drive to return. I would appreciate any information.

[SlimmerMe]

Hello everyone. I live in Queretaro, MX. Two years ago I had a complete hysterectomy. I would like trt to restore my sex drive. I can purchase many things here without a prescription. I'm not sure how to start. I certainly don't know how much to take, but it seems like the gel would be the way to go. Currently, my husband injects me with Binodian once a month (made by Bayer). It's an estrogen replacement. I simply want my sex drive to return. I would appreciate any information.

Welcome---How old are you? and were you on birth control pills before your hysterectomy? if so, there is a GREAT thread running on this now which will explain why you might feel this way and some solutions---- and any other specifics you want to share please would be helpful---

[PPC]

Hello everyone. I live in Queretaro, MX. Two years ago I had a complete hysterectomy. I would like trt to restore my sex drive. I can purchase many things here without a prescription. I'm not sure how to start. I certainly don't know how much to take, but it seems like the gel would be the way to go. Currently, my husband injects me with Binodian once a month (made by Bayer). It's an estrogen replacement. I simply want my sex drive to return. I would appreciate any information.

YOu were immediately thrown into menopause after your surgery. You need to replace estrogen, progesterone and testosterone . You can use an estradiol gel but it is best to use both estradiol and estriol together (estriol protects against breast cancer) . This combination comes in a compounded cream known as bi-est usually.5 mg E2 (estradiol) and 2-3 mg E3 (estriol) Alternatively, you could use estradiol gel that you have available at .5-1mg per day and then insert 2mg estiol suppositories into the vagina a couple of times a week. The estriol will help restore the natural ecology, PH and lubrication of your vagina. This along with T supplementation should help bring your libido back.

Alternatively, some post hysterectomy women use estrofem or estrace tablets (these are simply E2 tabs - bio identical) in their vagina for systemic use and get great results instead of using creams. You don't want to take these orally as they raise SHBG. Vaginal use of these tabs is a very cheap and effective form of BHRT but you need only use 1/4 amounts of oral use. You would break the 1 mg pill into fourths and place in the vagina daily but you'l still need a form of estriol for protection.

You'll need progesterone. Since you no longer have a uterus, you don't have to worry about using it vaginally, but the rest of your body still requires it. YOu can use a prometrium capsule (generic = microgest) orally at night to help you sleep (100 mg) or you can apply progesterone cream to your breasts and other fatty areas. Most women can tolerate between 50-200 mg of cream a day in divided doses. You'd want to use the higher dose at night to help you sleep.

If you have access to a compounding pharmacy you can ask for a low % Testosterone cream. Most women use 1-4 mg per ml once a day. The best place to apply this is on the labia, many T receptors there. Or you can buy T cypionate and inject just 10 mg a week with an insulin needle into your fat layers. If that doesn't increase your libido after a while I'd be surprised.

YOu want to aim to get your E2 levels between 100-250, your Progesterone levels to atleast 5 (according to the Life extension foundation) and your total t levels between 40-100 if you can.

These are just ideas, I am not a doctor so you may want to discuss these things with a practitioner. I have never heard of Binodian, will have to look into it. If it is not a bio identical estrogen then you are wise to seek alternative hormone treatment.

[SlimmerMe]

Question for PPC: what is your take on the different protocols?
biomemetic bhrt?
as opposed to:
static or lunar or continual or rhythmic?

I know there are pros and cons.

However, since you are really educated on all of this, I would love to know your take/opinion PLEASE since we are now on the topic of BHRT.

and if you want to start a new thread on this....PLEASE DO! I am sure we would appreciate it.

[PPC]

Question for PPC: After menopause re: BHRT: what is your take on the different protocols?
biomemetic bhrt?
as opposed to:
static or lunar or continual or rhythmic?

I know there are pros and cons.

However, since you are really educated on all of this, I would love to know your take/opinion PLEASE since we are now on the topic of BHRT.

and if you want to start a new thread on this....PLEASE DO! I am sure we would appreciate it.

Yes, we should start a new thread. I'll be crazy busy today so won't be able to get to it yet. I'm still learning too. I have not heard of the phrase bioemetric with regard to BHRT. What is that...very interested.

I have thought long and hard about the other methods. The doctor who's work I'm very fond of, Uzzi Reiss, endorses continous and points to pregnancy as an example of how continuos hormones are natural for the body. He points out that women who have many babies and don't cycle due to breast feeding and pregnancies are often healthier. The jury is still out on that for me.

Suzanne Somer's insists rythmic is the best way to do it. She thinks simply cycling her hormones eg Dr Johnathan Wright's protocol, never really opened up her progesterone and estradiol receptors and she ended up with a proliferated uterus - hysterectomy. (personally, I think vaginal progesterone could have remedied this) Still...rythmic (incrementally increasing doses of hormones to mimic a real cycle) is the way young women naturally cycle, so something to consider.

Lunar - it's amazing to think all women used to cycle with the moon according to historical literature - (well, I read that). Our modern day life does not let us be very in tune with the wane and pull of nature.

Which way do you use your hormones? If you want to start the thread... please do and share what info you have. I'll chime in.

[SlimmerMe]

Biomemetic: aka Wiley Protocol

Ordered 2 Uzzi Reiss's books hoping they come today---curious as to his suggested protocol

I am on "continuous or static" ( not sure exactly as to the technical term) as in the same dose ED... which some say is not so good--some say it is good---SO MUCH CONTROVERSY and I just want to make sure I am doing this RIGHT!

[PPC]

Biomemetic: aka Wiley Protocol

Ordered 2 Uzzi Reiss's books hoping they come today---curious as to his suggested protocol

I am on "continuous or static" ( not sure exactly as to the technical term) as in the same dose ED... which some say is not so good--some say it is good---SO MUCH CONTROVERSY and I just want to make sure I am doing this RIGHT!

There is so much controversy over the Wiley protocol, some women swear by it. Some very vocal women can't say enough negative things about it. I find it fascinating. One day when my ovaries quit, I will probably give it a go and guinea pig that vs continuous. Suzanne Somers has professed her trust and faith in it.

I did read Wiley's book. Interesting. It seems you are doing well on continuous. I think many women do not want to have a period again and I don't blame them for this.

My mom is doing continuous. She's been doing fantastic but lately bleeding, spotting a lot. Her doc said lower progesterone! What! That's crazy. Her P levels on 100 mg cream a day were only at 2. She lowered it like he suggested and the bleeding grew worse. Now she is using some microgest caps vaginally and it has stopped. I am hoping for the best there.

I have no choice but to cycle as my ovaries are still doing their thing. I do as Reiss suggests and just use E when my own E is waning eg right before and during my period up until day 8. This has done wonders.

Reiss's books are excellent. You'll hear me repeating that a lot. I think you will really value the information he brings.

You are right about the controversies. I would love to be a fly on the wall if all these docs got together in a room. I think as our bodies are all so different, it is a case of what feels best for you.

Do you have PM's turned on?

[SlimmerMe]

I know---lots of controversy--We do have to be careful and really make sure some of this is not for marketing purposes too---this BHRT is becoming BIG business and out of pocket cash deals and many docs are getting into this to make a buck since they are catching on real fast since so many women are tired of feeling like they feel and will do just about anything to feel better----this is why self education is paramount to all of this since we are all so different.. but blood test sure help to figure out the missing links!

Waiting for the Reiss books to come in---(when I read "Breakthrough" one would have thought I was doing my dissertation since I had so many notes which led me to sites and more sites and phone calls to pharmacist and docs)

and no my pm is not on--I originally thought I had to wait for 100 posts but then realized it was actually only 25---however--for now I have decided that the forum is enough for me to handle and to pm just adds to getting more and more hooked on this site!

[PPC]

I know---lots of controversy--We do have to be careful and really make sure some of this is not for marketing purposes too---this BHRT is becoming BIG business and out of pocket cash deals and many docs are getting into this to make a buck since they are catching on real fast since so many women are tired of feeling like they feel and will do just about anything to feel better----this is why self education is paramount to all of this since we are all so different.. but blood test sure help to figure out the missing links!

Waiting for the Reiss books to come in---(when I read "Breakthrough" one would have thought I was doing my dissertation since I had so many notes which led me to sites and more sites and phone calls to pharmacist and docs)

and no my pm is not on--I originally thought I had to wait for 100 posts but then realized it was actually only 25---however--for now I have decided that the forum is enough for me to handle and to pm just adds to getting more and more hooked on this site!

I hear you on the pm's.

You're like me. I read Breakthrough 5 times. My fav book of hers for sure. Each time learning and understanding more. Sort of like peeling an onion. Mine is completely marked up also with all my notes.

[MJH]

Hello, I was out of town for a couple of days. Yes, I should have supplied more information.
I am three months away from being 48 years old. I had a hysterectomy May of 2008 due to endometriosis and fibroids and all that goes with it. The head of the Menopausal Clinic at Baptist Hospital in Nashville, TN believed that I shouldn't move to MX without first having the surgery.
I immediately started taking hormones personally compounded for me. The ration and application: E2/P4/t/DHEA 1.5/80/1/25 ----1/2 ML topically twice daily. My GP has a very holistic slant. He also believes, in relation to hormones and menopause, that the "least amount of hormones for the least amount of time" is the most sound treatment. For the first nine months or so this combo worked well. I cannot find a compounded RX near me, so I had to go back to the States more frequently than I wanted. I found an endocrinologist here that checked my blood levels. He thought they were way too low and insisted that I do not need progesterone. My doctor in the States thought they were perfect. Now I am injected with Binodian once every 28 days. It's basically estrogen and testosterone . After a couple of months my endo here did blood work and thought my levels were where they should be. I feel okay, but as I expressed in my previous post I want to feel better. I'll be in the States in October and my GP will freak out when he realizes I've dumped the compounded hormones, that I am taking Binodian, and considering (or by then taking) more testosterone. I'll do blood work there too.
One more thing, I have osteopenia.
I have enjoyed being physically fit most of my life. Watching my muscles lose their firmness and my sex drive fall has been like losing part of my identity. I know part of this is hormonal, but part of it is that my exercise program is forced and sporadic due to all of the changes.
My regular GP in TN will want me to go back to the compound. I'm not sure what to do. There is SO many opinions. No one seems to agree on how long I should continue HT after my hysterectomy. I get a different answer every time I ask doctors or anyone.
I dislike self medicating, but want to feel better and want to take advantage of my stay in MX. I will continue to live here from 6-24 months longer.
Thank you for all of your information and your kindness.

[MJH]

I did not take BCP before my hyster.

[SlimmerMe]

Bump....... to PPC!

when you say you feel okay and want to feel better I understand this!
how much testosterone is in the Binodian injection? and how much estrogen?
the topical compounded test of only 1mg seemed real low to me so no wonder you wanted more