Is it ever too late for HCG?

**forrest_and_trees** · 04-06-2011, 12:04 AM

It will be 2 years this July, that I've been on TRT, and my "boys" just ain't the same anymore. They used to look like walnuts, now they more closely resemble a grape... =[

Unfortunately, I have no insurance and after several requests, my doc has refused to write a script for HCG . He'd rather I go see and Endo, which is just *not* going to happen. Funds have been *way* tight this past year and between my current scripts and BW, I cant even afford the GP visits anymore. So I guess what I'm asking is, will I be able to recover later when I can afford it? ...Or is there a point of no return, and if so, have I passed it or am I getting close? At the rate things are going, it could conceivably be another year before I can afford the normal route. Does anyone have any suggestions? I just need a script. If so, please PM me if it's something that cant be posted here. Thanks.

**sirupate** · 04-06-2011, 05:58 AM

As was discussed in another recent thread, you can find HCG for "research purposes" and it isn't too expensive. You'd just have to trust the seller...absent someone here putting you onto a sure source. I also mentioned clomi, which is available from a site sponsor that is trustworthy. Clomi and HCG work in different ways, but should do the same thing. You should at least research clomi in the PCT section of the site. I don't think clomi is intended to be taken continuously like HCG is. I think you use clomi in short cycles followed by breaks. Hopefully someone else will chime in here.

As to a point of no return...I have no idea.

**zaggahamma** · 04-06-2011, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by forrest_and_trees

It will be 2 years this July, that I've been on TRT, and my "boys" just ain't the same anymore. They used to look like walnuts, now they more closely resemble a grape... =[

Unfortunately, I have no insurance and after several requests, my doc has refused to write a script for HCG. He'd rather I go see and Endo, which is just *not* going to happen. Funds have been *way* tight this past year and between my current scripts and BW, I cant even afford the GP visits anymore. So I guess what I'm asking is, will I be able to recover later when I can afford it? ...Or is there a point of no return, and if so, have I passed it or am I getting close? At the rate things are going, it could conceivably be another year before I can afford the normal route. Does anyone have any suggestions? I just need a script. If so, please PM me if it's something that cant be posted here. Thanks.

it could have been me that written this except its been 5 years on trt with no hcg

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 04-06-2011, 07:04 AM

In another thread I learned you can get injectible HCG (forget the oral stuff!) for experimental use (nonhuman). Just google "hcg experimental use only". I saw 2 5,000 IU kits for $69.00. At 250 IU 2x a week, this will last you 40 weeks (20 weeks each 5000 IU kit).

**APIs** · 04-06-2011, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

In another thread I learned you can get injectible HCG (forget the oral stuff!) for experimental use (nonhuman). Just google "hcg experimental use only". I saw 2 5,000 IU kits for $69.00. At 250 IU 2x a week, this will last you 40 weeks (20 weeks each 5000 IU kit).

HCG only lasts 30 to 60 days once reconstituted with Bacteriostatic Water. I'd be careful running clomid unless under the care of a doctor..

**bass** · 04-06-2011, 11:26 AM

stay away from anything orals unless its absolutely necessary!

**MJRuff01** · 04-06-2011, 11:52 AM

All oral hCG is a fraud. Injectible hCG is not too hard to find, and for the OP I would get at least 5000 IU's, and start with 500 IU's 3x for the first week, then 250 IU's every day until it is gone.

**zaggahamma** · 04-06-2011, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by APIs

HCG only lasts 30 to 60 days once reconstituted with Bacteriostatic Water. I'd be careful running clomid unless under the care of a doctor..

i've never heard clomid being dangerous...guess never researched it much but seen ppl using for pct, etc.

**steroid.com 1** · 04-06-2011, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by forrest_and_trees

It will be 2 years this July, that I've been on TRT, and my "boys" just ain't the same anymore. They used to look like walnuts, now they more closely resemble a grape... =[

Unfortunately, I have no insurance and after several requests, my doc has refused to write a script for HCG. He'd rather I go see and Endo, which is just *not* going to happen. Funds have been *way* tight this past year and between my current scripts and BW, I cant even afford the GP visits anymore. So I guess what I'm asking is, will I be able to recover later when I can afford it? ...Or is there a point of no return, and if so, have I passed it or am I getting close? At the rate things are going, it could conceivably be another year before I can afford the normal route. Does anyone have any suggestions? I just need a script. If so, please PM me if it's something that cant be posted here. Thanks.

Yes, there is a point of no return but it's probably different for all men and what that time frame is is anyones guess. From what I have read and discussed casually with my MD is that younger men seem to take longer for complete atrophly compared to older men. This might have to do with the levels of LH production in the varying ages.

But make no mistake, without hCG your balls will eventually become small lumps of collagen and they willl never return to their normal state.

**steroid.com 1** · 04-06-2011, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by MJRuff01

All oral hCG is a fraud. Injectible hCG is not too hard to find, and for the OP I would get at least 5000 IU's, and start with 500 IU's 3x for the first week, then 250 IU's every day until it is gone.

^^^^+1

**zaggahamma** · 04-06-2011, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

Yes, there is a point of no return but it's probably different for all men and what that time frame is is anyones guess. From what I have read and discussed casually with my MD is that younger men seem to take longer for complete atrophly compared to older men. This might have to do with the levels of LH production in the varying ages.

But make no mistake, without hCG your balls will eventually become small lumps of collagen and they willl never return to their normal state.

reading that just made em shrink a lil more

**steroid.com 1** · 04-06-2011, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

reading that just made em shrink a lil more

Certainly not those biceps

**Termin8r27** · 04-06-2011, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

Yes, there is a point of no return but it's probably different for all men and what that time frame is is anyones guess. From what I have read and discussed casually with my MD is that younger men seem to take longer for complete atrophly compared to older men. This might have to do with the levels of LH production in the varying ages.

But make no mistake, without hCG your balls will eventually become small lumps of collagen and they willl never return to their normal state.

%100 Agree. Good advice man.

Originally Posted by MJRuff01

All oral hCG is a fraud. Injectible hCG is not too hard to find, and for the OP I would get at least 5000 IU's, and start with 500 IU's 3x for the first week, then 250 IU's every day until it is gone.

+ 2 There are some Int'l sources too you can pretty easily find on some other boards that sell HCG .

Originally Posted by jpkman

i've never heard clomid being dangerous...guess never researched it much but seen ppl using for pct, etc.

Agreed. Clomid is much more widely used for female and male fertility issues and has more research behind it than HCG. I've not researched long term use of Clomid because it's never really interested me, so I can't offer any advice/opinion on that.

**sirupate** · 04-06-2011, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

i've never heard clomid being dangerous...guess never researched it much but seen ppl using for pct, etc.

I've done two or three 2-week cycles of clomi and thought it helped me some. I have not felt that there were any objectionable sides. I've been going with 50mg. equiv. for 5 days, then 25mg. equiv. for 5 days, then finally 12.5mg. equiv. for the last 5 days. The dose is low compared to some of the PCT plans I have seen and I have taken care to taper it off over the "treatment period". I did some research on clomi for men and didn't see any warnings on sides or liver effect. Wondering if I missed out on some important information somewhere...

**forrest_and_trees** · 04-06-2011, 03:27 PM

I'd have to say, I'm not too thrilled with the prospect of my nuts turning into, "small lumps of collagen"!

I'd heard about the "experimental usage" stuff, but I guess I'm a little paranoid as I've tried to remain above board on all of my TRT and meds etc. I like the idea of being as honest as possible with my doc and getting my meds from a local pharm as I've heard the horror stories about quality control issues and counterfeit stuff from over seas etc. Not to mention, while I'm sure once you figure it out it's easy enough and plenty of people here do it, the whole, "do it yourself", back room recipe based, mix it and store it thing sounds a bit complicated, as well as a little overwhelming and a bit worrisome to be honest. I tend to get real conservative when it comes to messing with complicated health issues and self medicating, which is why I've asked so many questions over the past year and done so much research. I know I need to do the same in this instance, but for some reason I just have a difficult time wrapping my head around this one. I don't know... maybe it's because I'd be doing it without the support of my doc. I guess I'm looking for a little reassurance too.

Anyway, as always, thanks for all the help. It's much appreciated, keep the info coming.

Cheers.

**MJRuff01** · 04-06-2011, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by forrest_and_trees

I'd have to say, I'm not too thrilled with the prospect of my nuts turning into, "small lumps of collagen"!

I'd heard about the "experimental usage" stuff, but I guess I'm a little paranoid as I've tried to remain above board on all of my TRT and meds etc. I like the idea of being as honest as possible with my doc and getting my meds from a local pharm as I've heard the horror stories about quality control issues and counterfeit stuff from over seas etc. Not to mention, while I'm sure once you figure it out it's easy enough and plenty of people here do it, the whole, "do it yourself", back room recipe based, mix it and store it thing sounds a bit complicated, as well as a little overwhelming and a bit worrisome to be honest. I tend to get real conservative when it comes to messing with complicated health issues and self medicating, which is why I've asked so many questions over the past year and done so much research. I know I need to do the same in this instance, but for some reason I just have a difficult time wrapping my head around this one. I don't know... maybe it's because I'd be doing it without the support of my doc. I guess I'm looking for a little reassurance too.

Anyway, as always, thanks for all the help. It's much appreciated, keep the info coming.

Cheers.

Just contact any local Anti-Aging clinic, give them your history, and any one of them will be happy to sell you hCG made in an American Compounded pharmacy.

**big_ron** · 04-06-2011, 06:56 PM

I would get some advice off swifto on this issue. im sure he could help and give you a definite answer.

**Bullseye Forever** · 04-06-2011, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

it could have been me that written this except its been 5 years on trt with no hcg

....me to,4 years and no HCG

**rekcerb** · 04-08-2011, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bullseye Forever

....me to,4 years and no HCG

And... any issues?

**Bullseye Forever** · 04-08-2011, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by rekcerb

And... any issues?

nuts have shrunk.

**zaggahamma** · 04-08-2011, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Bullseye Forever

nuts have shrunk.

ditto

**warchild** · 04-08-2011, 08:08 PM

i went 2 yrs w/o hcg . nuts shrunk but thats all. not sure if i can produce sperm tho

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 04-09-2011, 07:14 AM

Keep in mind Arnold terminated his nuts for over 10 years as a pro bodybuilder. Later he got married and had kids. This can be done. Some restoration is better than none, so even if you only recover 80% it may not be 100% but it is better than what you have now.

**zaggahamma** · 04-09-2011, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

Keep in mind Arnold terminated his nuts for over 10 years as a pro bodybuilder. Later he got married and had kids. This can be done. Some restoration is better than none, so even if you only recover 80% it may not be 100% but it is better than what you have now.

love the play on words in there...

so how old are arnie's kids i hadnt known...i like arnie and maria....be funny if they had twins

**bass** · 04-09-2011, 10:57 AM

all it takes is one to make it to the egg!

**forrest_and_trees** · 04-09-2011, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

Keep in mind Arnold terminated his nuts for over 10 years as a pro bodybuilder. Later he got married and had kids. This can be done. Some restoration is better than none, so even if you only recover 80% it may not be 100% but it is better than what you have now.

Anyone else here gone without, had shrinkage, then went on HCG and got results? If so, how much?

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 04-10-2011, 05:38 PM

I didn't do HCG for first 12 weeks of HRT. The sac and boys shrank so much they were being pinched up between the skin and pubic bone. I was constantly pushing them down like I had gotten kicked in the balls or something. They hurt, too. Started HCG and the boys grew and started hanging well withing 2 weeks (250 IU 2x/week). This was not longterm HRT without HCG, but I had the nuts of a verteran bodybuilder when I started HCG.

After three weeks I think they were back 100%, but there was never any measurements so I can't be eactly sure. They definately are very close to what they were before HRT if they are not 100%.