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    Opinions on AI dosage while on a "blast"

    Normal TRT - 160mg Test Cyp a week, .5mg Arimidex EOD.

    Blast - 400mg Test Cyp a week, AI ?

    How should I dose the AI in relation to my Blast dosage?

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    the .5 eod should still be fine.. anyone??

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    That's what I do exactly.

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    was thinking same as above...but dante you know your body and its reactions better than most

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    Very true. I just figured since I am taking a higher dose that my body would convert more. I upped it to .5 ED and will monitor things to see if I need to back off. So far, so good. Feel great and have kept the sides (breakouts and bloat) at bay compared to the last time I did a blast. I always like to hear what people think though.

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    just make sure you keep a check on your estradiol levels froom time to time,from personal experience its a good idea

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    Your current protocol should be just fine. I'll run 0.5mg x 3/wk during a blast and my E2 is kept in check. Like Bullseye said, just make sure you run labs to know for sure where you sit. You can make adjustments from there. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetteman08 View Post
    Your current protocol should be just fine. I'll run 0.5mg x 3/wk during a blast and my E2 is kept in check. Like Bullseye said, just make sure you run labs to know for sure where you sit. You can make adjustments from there. Good luck.
    question vetteman08.....how often would you recommend to get estrogen levels checked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye Forever View Post
    question vetteman08.....how often would you recommend to get estrogen levels checked?
    Running labs every 3 months is the way to go (IMO) on any type of HRT regiment, whether blasting or not. If someone is going to run a first time blast interval, I'd suggest checking the E2 at about 4-to-6 weeks into the run. Then, a person should be able to gauge the adjustments (if any) needed on the AI on future blasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetteman08 View Post
    Running labs every 3 months is the way to go (IMO) on any type of HRT regiment, whether blasting or not. If someone is going to run a first time blast interval, I'd suggest checking the E2 at about 4-to-6 weeks into the run. Then, a person should be able to gauge the adjustments (if any) needed on the AI on future blasts.
    well i had my estradiol levels checked nearly 2 weeks ago for the first time ever in 4 years on trt,and it was my GP not my Endo,he doesnt test that or presricbe A.I.'s in his practice,he told me that at clinical levels of trt estrogen conversion isnt a concern neither is an A.I. He presricbed me 8 months ago to take 600mg test cyp/10 days!!!!,yea,you read it correctly,and at first i felt fine but after a while i started feeling horrible again,worst than i ever have,and he told me this past wednesday that that dose is what cause my estrogen to be high and converted from testosterone ,and i said,you are the one who put me on that dose,and my total testosterone was only 487ng/dl!!! it shouldve been on the 5000's at that dose,so he dropped it to 200mg/week now,we'll see how that works,but i got some aromasin on the 20th of april and started taking it at 25mg/day and im going to do that dose for 2 weeks and get my levels checked again and see where im at,and go from there,my endo messed me up big time,my estradiol(E2)LEVELS was 126.5pg/ml!! out of the range of 10-50pg/nl so over 90% of my test was being converted to estrogen

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    Just be careful with the anti-E, as once you start dropping that E2 level, your testosterone levels are going to shoot up. If you're super high with the testosterone levels, you endo will certainly lower your dosage considerably to compensate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frawnz View Post
    Just be careful with the anti-E, as once you start dropping that E2 level, your testosterone levels are going to shoot up. If you're super high with the testosterone levels, you endo will certainly lower your dosage considerably to compensate.
    Interesting. I didnt know that...

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    I know there has been some debate on whether estrogen plays a role in muscle building. Some say the extra estrogen helps in gains and is necessary. Others say (which I think I heard Marcus post, but don't quote me) that estrogen levels are not vital in that manner.

    Now I know I don't want them at 0 or anything like that. And I also know the side effects (most of them) of low estrogen levels (very similar to low test). As long as I'm not feeling those symptoms, I would assume all is well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by APIs View Post
    Interesting. I didnt know that...
    Think of it like this. A percentage of you testosterone gets converted into estrogen. Some people have higher conversion rates, whether genetically, due to things like obesity, or due to how much and what type of testosterone they're injecting. Anti-Es supress that conversion, resulting in less testosterone being converted into estrogen. The direct result of less testosterone being converted into estrogen is... well, more testosterone!

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    good thing about AI's they work almost immediately, mine was at 101.8 and after one week of 0.5 mg ed it went down to 18.2. i wish there was a kit you can buy to check you e2 at home, then you can really dial it in perfectly.

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    there are online labs. You just go to the local blood lab and they take your blood etc...

    for just the one test I think it was like 50.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by EASTCOASTKID View Post
    there are online labs. You just go to the local blood lab and they take your blood etc...

    for just the one test I think it was like 50.00
    i paid $30!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    i paid $30!
    Is that through a script form a doctor or a personal lab?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Diamond View Post
    Is that through a script form a doctor or a personal lab?
    sorry, yes from the clinic.

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    I was just checking through past posts to see updated threads and I came across this post. I re-read it from the begining and realized I made a mistake. I was originally going to blast at 400mg a week. Since this is my 3rd time blasting in 2 years, I decided to go a little higher. I ended up blasting at 600mg Test Cyp a week and added in 50mg Dbol for the first 4 weeks (had some left over).

    I know only bloodwork and what I feel will tell the tale, but does .5mg of Arimidex everyday make more sense now? So far, everything seems fine. Sex drive and function are all great. No bloat or breakouts. I just keep questioning it because it seems like a high dose and I don't want to negate any gains. However, I know a lot of people that cycle don't necessarily have e2 problems to begin with, so its a little different scenario. Also, I will be dropping the arimidex dose to .5mg EOD after the Dbol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Diamond View Post
    I was just checking through past posts to see updated threads and I came across this post. I re-read it from the begining and realized I made a mistake. I was originally going to blast at 400mg a week. Since this is my 3rd time blasting in 2 years, I decided to go a little higher. I ended up blasting at 600mg Test Cyp a week and added in 50mg Dbol for the first 4 weeks (had some left over).

    I know only bloodwork and what I feel will tell the tale, but does .5mg of Arimidex everyday make more sense now? So far, everything seems fine. Sex drive and function are all great. No bloat or breakouts. I just keep questioning it because it seems like a high dose and I don't want to negate any gains. However, I know a lot of people that cycle don't necessarily have e2 problems to begin with, so its a little different scenario. Also, I will be dropping the arimidex dose to .5mg EOD after the Dbol.
    I like this protocal better than .5 ed. .5 oed should do the trick bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim230027 View Post
    I like this protocal better than .5 ed. .5 oed should do the trick bro.
    i do too...but i myself havent ever went as high as 600..if i did i might take .5 mg 3 days after shot for the whole week...if nips were still feelin weird maybe another dose....since youre most worried about gains i would favor doing a lil less AI imo

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    yea its tough to gauge what dose AI you will need on your blast. when cycling you do not have to keep your E2 within physiological range, since its a cycle you will be lowering E2 when your done, its just not healthy for TRT because of the long term risks.

    estrogen does not help build muscle, i was just reading a study on the other day, the water retention you get though will make you stronger, and that is what increases the gains, lifting heavier.

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    Good points. I'm going to start doing 6 days a week and monitor sides from there. Strength is up, but like you guys said, you want the most out of your blast.

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    so... just curious - do you guys that blast at even 300mg or more per week, do it in multiple doses (say 2x per week) and do you notice any bloat or more water retention than just on 'regular' trt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by subnet View Post
    so... just curious - do you guys that blast at even 300mg or more per week, do it in multiple doses (say 2x per week) and do you notice any bloat or more water retention than just on 'regular' trt?
    ONCE a week here at 300mg and still .25 arimidex for about 4 days including shot day or day after...no noticeable bloat

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    Perhaps there is a finite amount of the aromitase enzyme in the first place?

    So if 0.25mg EOD gets you to an E2 level of say 25 pg/ml, then on 600mg or 2000+ it would make little difference?

    Seems odd, but if there is only so much enzyme to block...

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