Anyone have any answers....need some help guys

**Bullseye Forever** · 05-25-2011, 08:12 PM

Guys,all of you read my recent thread and had alot of great answers on it,and ive got appts with 2 new endos im going to be seeing,one in june and the other in october,im taking now taking 300mg/week for my trt and using aromasin ed at 12.5 to keep my estrogen down,im feeling much better,but i have no sex drive and no libido,i mean none,and ive had every test done known,and all levels have come back within normal ranges,i am dealing with stress daily and anxiety all the time cause im on antidepressants,and have been for 16 years,i dont know what the answer is,im just about to give up,i got an erection the other night and it lasted maybe 5 minutes,and was gone,i still have them in the mornings and i take cialis everyday,but nothing,no sexual arousal nothing,i know this is very personal thing to post,but im at my wits end.......

**kleaver** · 05-25-2011, 08:17 PM

no clue bullseye... but i feel for you

**Bullseye Forever** · 05-25-2011, 08:23 PM

Mods,would you move this thread to the TRT forum,i posted in the wrong forum,sorry

**Natureboy71** · 05-25-2011, 08:26 PM

The antidepressants cause that for sure. How long have you been on the 300mg/w?

**boz** · 05-25-2011, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Natureboy71

The antidepressants cause that for sure. How long have you been on the 300mg/w?

Exactly what i was going to say, anti - d nuke your libido ! Get off the stuff and u shall see the difference

**Bullseye Forever** · 05-25-2011, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Natureboy71

The antidepressants cause that for sure. How long have you been on the 300mg/w?

over a year now

**kelkel** · 05-25-2011, 08:48 PM

Damn. Talk to your doc. Try to pull yourself off the Anti-D's and see how you feel. Have you tried something other than cialis? Not every ED drug works the same for everybody so try a few different ones. Really sounds like you need to clean out and start from scratch. Give your body a chance to see what normal is (not that any of us here are normal) and go from there. Good luck man.

**gixxerboy1** · 05-25-2011, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by boz

Exactly what i was going to say, anti - d nuke your libido ! Get off the stuff and u shall see the difference

I agree its prob that anti-d's. I would talk to your dr maybe the can switch what you take or get you off them. Dont try and just stop on your own

**Bullseye Forever** · 05-25-2011, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Damn. Talk to your doc. Try to pull yourself off the Anti-D's and see how you feel. Have you tried something other than cialis? Not every ED drug works the same for everybody so try a few different ones. Really sounds like you need to clean out and start from scratch. Give your body a chance to see what normal is (not that any of us here are normal) and go from there. Good luck man.

yea brother ive tried levetria,and viagra both,i do need to wean myself off the antidepressants,ive been on them for 16 years,and ive gotten off valium finally,it was hell,i was on it for 15 years,and my doctor helped me get off of it,im still on Lexapro and Wellbutrin,both at the max dose,but up until about 6 months ago,i was fine with my libido and everything,thats what i dont understand,it may just be anxiety,cause im under a lot of stress right now,thats is really upsetting me,so that might be it

**Honkey_Kong** · 05-25-2011, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Bullseye Forever

yea brother ive tried levetria,and viagra both,i do need to wean myself off the antidepressants,ive been on them for 16 years,and ive gotten off valium finally,it was hell,i was on it for 15 years,and my doctor helped me get off of it,im still on Lexapro and Wellbutrin,both at the max dose,but up until about 6 months ago,i was fine with my libido and everything,thats what i dont understand,it may just be anxiety,cause im under a lot of stress right now,thats is really upsetting me,so that might be it

I was just thinking from the way you were typing about your lack of libido and anxiety that possibly the worrying about the lack of libido might be adding to your stress and anxiety thus further diminishing your drive. Just relax, Dude. Go watch Sportscenter and some baseball games or whatever you like to do for leisure. I bet a little R&R will help with your daily stress and anxiety.

**buffgator** · 05-25-2011, 11:32 PM

Im no expert and I could be wrong, but dont you need a certain amount of estrogen in your system to have a proper sex drive? If your taking aromisin and knocking out all your estrogen that could be part of the problem

**The Titan99** · 05-26-2011, 12:21 AM

Some anti d's don't kill your libido. About 10 years ago I was prescribed welabutrin and it had the opposite effect of Prozac. Don't know what's available out there now...

And that's quite a lot of Aromasin to be taking. That will kill your libido for sure.

**warren916** · 05-26-2011, 12:57 AM

Its almost certain that if you could get off the butrin, and anti-d, your libido would come back.

Those drugs suppress, increase, and outbalance almost all levels of your natural brain chemicals; including dopamine and serotonin, both very responsible for pleasure and stimulation.

**Bullseye Forever** · 05-26-2011, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

I was just thinking from the way you were typing about your lack of libido and anxiety that possibly the worrying about the lack of libido might be adding to your stress and anxiety thus further diminishing your drive. Just relax, Dude. Go watch Sportscenter and some baseball games or whatever you like to do for leisure. I bet a little R&R will help with your daily stress and anxiety.

i never thought about it that way brother,i may just need to quit thinking about it so much,it might help me more thanks

Originally Posted by buffgator

Im no expert and I could be wrong, but dont you need a certain amount of estrogen in your system to have a proper sex drive? If your taking aromisin and knocking out all your estrogen that could be part of the problem

yea that could be the reason as well,since ive knocked it down,i might not need aromasin now since im on such a low dose of test for my trt

Originally Posted by The Titan99

Some anti d's don't kill your libido. About 10 years ago I was prescribed welabutrin and it had the opposite effect of Prozac. Don't know what's available out there now...

And that's quite a lot of Aromasin to be taking. That will kill your libido for sure.

i agree,wellbutrin usually has the opposite effect,it usually increases sex drive,but ssris like prozac are different,im gonna drop the aromasin for a while and see how that might help,thanks

Originally Posted by warren916

Its almost certain that if you could get off the butrin, and anti-d, your libido would come back.

Those drugs suppress, increase, and outbalance almost all levels of your natural brain chemicals; including dopamine and serotonin, both very responsible for pleasure and stimulation.

yea they do,thanks brother

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 05-26-2011, 05:56 AM

Bullseye: how long have you been doing TRT? I kow your E2 was through the roof because of no AI from your doc. That high of E2 levels can mess with your mood and could cause your depression too. Add to that low T and you have a bunch of mood issues.

So now that you are getting the T and E2 under better control, maybe the anit-depressants are something you can get off of. I would definately go the doc route on this though and get a doc's advice. Some things are best done cold turkey and some things are not! And messing with depression is not something you want to experiment with.

Can't remember if you are married or not. But if you go off the anti-d's, let your spouse/friends know you are doing that so they can cover your back for you and make sure you don't go off the deep end.

Good luck!

**zaggahamma** · 05-26-2011, 08:34 AM

bullseye was BY A DOCTOR prescribed 600mg test FOR TRT and i believe NO AI at one time...i didnt know/remember he was on anti-d's as well...

16 years bro of anti d's ...how long the libido issues nevermind just read you say 6 months...if libido was fine before then then i would guess you would look for what changed then...i know you've been having probs with your trt doses and the quacky doctors but with all these meds and the stress u mention I'M having a hard time gettin it up just reading your story bro...
all good advice given already but like i said if no probs beyon 6 months then thats where I would look....when u start the aromasin ?

**APIs** · 05-26-2011, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Bullseye Forever

yea brother ive tried levetria,and viagra both,i do need to wean myself off the antidepressants,ive been on them for 16 years,and ive gotten off valium finally,it was hell,i was on it for 15 years,and my doctor helped me get off of it,im still on Lexapro and Wellbutrin,both at the max dose,but up until about 6 months ago,i was fine with my libido and everything,thats what i dont understand,it may just be anxiety,cause im under a lot of stress right now,thats is really upsetting me,so that might be it

Lot of great advice. I'm sure you will find the answer with your Dr. Whatever you do, don't wean "yourself" off the anti-D's! Please do it under medical supervision. You've been on them for a reason obviously, and playing Doctor like a lot of people do on here can have awful consequences. Just something to think about IMO...

**Bullseye Forever** · 05-26-2011, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

Bullseye: how long have you been doing TRT? I kow your E2 was through the roof because of no AI from your doc. That high of E2 levels can mess with your mood and could cause your depression too. Add to that low T and you have a bunch of mood issues.

So now that you are getting the T and E2 under better control, maybe the anit-depressants are something you can get off of. I would definately go the doc route on this though and get a doc's advice. Some things are best done cold turkey and some things are not! And messing with depression is not something you want to experiment with.

Can't remember if you are married or not. But if you go off the anti-d's, let your spouse/friends know you are doing that so they can cover your back for you and make sure you don't go off the deep end.

Good luck!

thanks brother,ive been on trt for 4 years now,now i started my aromasin april 20th and got my E under control in 2 weeks,but my E was a little low,that might be part of the problem,it was 12,and its supposed to be 20-30....so im stopping the aromasin for the time being,and now im taking 300mg test/week for my trt,and i do have an appt with my shrink in a couple of weeks,so hopefully i can find out some info....thanks for your concern

Originally Posted by jpkman

bullseye was BY A DOCTOR prescribed 600mg test FOR TRT and i believe NO AI at one time...i didnt know/remember he was on anti-d's as well...

16 years bro of anti d's ...how long the libido issues nevermind just read you say 6 months...if libido was fine before then then i would guess you would look for what changed then...i know you've been having probs with your trt doses and the quacky doctors but with all these meds and the stress u mention I'M having a hard time gettin it up just reading your story bro...
all good advice given already but like i said if no probs beyon 6 months then thats where I would look....when u start the aromasin?

ok brother i know im confusing everyone,i didnt start having libido problems until 6 months ago,at the time my E was sky high,i started aromasin on april 20th,got my E down and i continued to take the aromasin,and my estrogen is too low now according to my last blood test,so im stopping the aromasin for a while and have an appt with my shrink in a couple of weeks,so maybe i can get some answers then,thanks brother,sorry for being so confusing

Originally Posted by APIs

Lot of great advice. I'm sure you will find the answer with your Dr. Whatever you do, don't wean "yourself" off the anti-D's! Please do it under medical supervision. You've been on them for a reason obviously, and playing Doctor like a lot of people do on here can have awful consequences. Just something to think about IMO...

thanks man

**meathead320** · 05-26-2011, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bullseye Forever

yea brother ive tried levetria,and viagra both,i do need to wean myself off the antidepressants,ive been on them for 16 years,and ive gotten off valium finally,it was hell,i was on it for 15 years,and my doctor helped me get off of it,im still on Lexapro and Wellbutrin,both at the max dose,but up until about 6 months ago,i was fine with my libido and everything,thats what i dont understand,it may just be anxiety,cause im under a lot of stress right now,thats is really upsetting me,so that might be it

The Lexapro is an SSRI, and they are known for killing sex drive and erectile function.

The Wellbutrin on the other hand is known for increasing libido if anything. In some cases it is prescribed just for that and to help counter the effects of the SSRI on the libido.

**bass** · 05-26-2011, 01:15 PM

Bullseye, maybe you don't need to be on antidepressants since you are on TRT, but like APIs said talk to your doctor first,

**JD250** · 05-26-2011, 05:01 PM

I'm gonna walk through this from what I understand.........6 months ago you had problems from high e2, you started taking aromisin and made your e2 too low....still having same problems...................I'm gonna say e2 is the place to start right away......cut that aromasin dose in half......dont eliminate it or your e2 will likely shoot off the charts again leaving you with the same problems. Only change one thing at a time!!! Get blood work done until you get the e2 in range. Then see if you can ween yourself off those ADs. with the help of your doc. Hang in there bro, we all feel your pain.

**Bullseye Forever** · 05-26-2011, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by JD250

I'm gonna walk through this from what I understand.........6 months ago you had problems from high e2, you started taking aromisin and made your e2 too low....still having same problems...................I'm gonna say e2 is the place to start right away......cut that aromasin dose in half......dont eliminate it or your e2 will likely shoot off the charts again leaving you with the same problems. Only change one thing at a time!!! Get blood work done until you get the e2 in range. Then see if you can ween yourself off those ADs. with the help of your doc. Hang in there bro, we all feel your pain.

thanks brother..

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 05-28-2011, 06:28 AM

Learning to keep the E2 in range without getting bloodwork done every few weeks is the hardest part of TRT. The real issue is that high and low E2 give the same symptoms. In a way I am lucky because I get tender nipples if my E2 hits 28. I know right away if my E2 is creeping up. And if I have other E2 symptoms w/o tender nipples then it is definately low E2.

It takes time to get this right and learn the dosage. Then you loose weight, getting your body fat % down some, and the fine tuning starts all over. But at least you will then know the upper dosage limit, you just have to drop it. Of course if you gain weight and get fatter, the opposite it true.

**bass** · 05-28-2011, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

Learning to keep the E2 in range without getting bloodwork done every few weeks is the hardest part of TRT. The real issue is that high and low E2 give the same symptoms. In a way I am lucky because I get tender nipples if my E2 hits 28. I know right away if my E2 is creeping up. And if I have other E2 symptoms w/o tender nipples then it is definately low E2.

It takes time to get this right and learn the dosage. Then you loose weight, getting your body fat % down some, and the fine tuning starts all over. But at least you will then know the upper dosage limit, you just have to drop it. Of course if you gain weight and get fatter, the opposite it true.

good point, you have to constantly adjust based on how you feel, and like you said the key is learn how to read the symptoms!