Need Help Establishing a Baseline Please!!!!

[Titleesq]

Good Evening:

Hope everyone is well. 38 year old male, 5 foot 6, and 190lbs. I need help in establishing a baseline (If that's even possible at this point). Prior to beginning treatment I knew absolutely ZILCH about trt. My doctor ordered a total T test and it came back at 252ng. Based only upon my presenting symptoms, and a single solitary blood test, my doc prescribed Test Cyp @ 200mgs every two weeks.

Now I am aware that she did not have nearly enough information to effectively diagnose and treat properly, but I was ignorant and uneducated at the time, not to mention desperate for any kind of relief. I have only had two injections of Test Cyp at 200mgs. The first one was Thursday June 23, and the last injection that I had was last Monday June 27. I know the math doesn't add up to a two week dosing schedule, as I thought more would be better, kind of cheated, and gave myself a shot before I was scheduled.

I had very extensive blood work drawn this morning, as I quickly educated myself, and ordered the doc to test for just about everything that I read on this forum (I mean EVERYTHING). Taking the information that I presented into account, was I not at, or at the very least, pretty darn close to baseline at this morning when my blood was drawn? Will the tests that I took this morning be indicative of where I was PRIOR to my first Test inject? If not, how skewed could it possibly be? Also, couldn't baseline be calculated by factoring in the half-life of my dosage of Test Cyp (or would that only help with T calculations and not with LH, FSH, Estradiol, SHBG, etc.)?

PLEASE HELP!!! I'm clueless and confused as hell.

Thanks...........

Ari

[steroid.com 1]

You got two posts here asking the same thing??? Try to stick to one so everyone can provide input and keep the dialog in some order of semblance to help you.

[Titleesq]

Sorry if there is any confusion. It was not meant intentionally. The first post was simply regarding my diagnosis/condition /treatment in general, and this post was for information regarding the determination of a proper baseline (if that is even possible at this stage). Thanks for all your help, and once again, sorry for any confusion.

Ari

[zaggahamma]

Good Evening:

Hope everyone is well. 38 year old male, 5 foot 6, and 190lbs. I need help in establishing a baseline (If that's even possible at this point). Prior to beginning treatment I knew absolutely ZILCH about trt. My doctor ordered a total T test and it came back at 252ng. Based only upon my presenting symptoms, and a single solitary blood test, my doc prescribed Test Cyp @ 200mgs every two weeks.

Now I am aware that she did not have nearly enough information to effectively diagnose and treat properly, but I was ignorant and uneducated at the time, not to mention desperate for any kind of relief. I have only had two injections of Test Cyp at 200mgs. The first one was Thursday June 23, and the last injection that I had was last Monday June 27. I know the math doesn't add up to a two week dosing schedule, as I thought more would be better, kind of cheated, and gave myself a shot before I was scheduled.

I had very extensive blood work drawn this morning, as I quickly educated myself, and ordered the doc to test for just about everything that I read on this forum (I mean EVERYTHING). 1.Taking the information that I presented into account, was I not at, or at the very least, pretty darn close to baseline at this morning when my blood was drawn? 2.Will the tests that I took this morning be indicative of where I was PRIOR to my first Test inject?3. If not, how skewed could it possibly be? 4.Also, couldn't baseline be calculated by factoring in the half-life of my dosage of Test Cyp (or would that only help with T calculations and not with LH, FSH, Estradiol, SHBG, etc.)?

PLEASE HELP!!! I'm clueless and confused as hell.

Thanks...........

Ari

1. doubt it and why should it and what if it is?
2.look at answer for #1....is it not the same question?
3.skewed from what, 252ng?...oh..baseline..thats right....
4. if it can..calculate it, post it, and then when u get your bloodwork back compare and post

what exactly are you worried about?

[steroid.com 1]

If you had your BW drawn today and you injected 400 mg of Test a week ago your panels you are not going to get an accurate picture of your bodies endocrine system and hormonal balance. Any Doc would have had you wait about 4 weeks or so before conducting any BW to get an accurate picture of where you are at. Hate to say it man, but you wasted a lot of money today if not covered by insurance.

BTW, if you have been reading here you'd know that taking what amounts to a blast of 400 mg of Test without understanding your Estradiol levels can cause you some problems.

[Titleesq]

Gdevine,
I had my BW drawn this morning. Prior to that I only had two injects. The first was Thursday June 23rd, and the last one was Monday June 27th. They were spread out. So in reference to your post, it was not a 400 mg dose a week ago. It was a 200 my inject. Will the BW that I had performed be salvagable in anyway or do I need to cease all injects, wait a month, and start the process all over again with new BW? I'm not doubting your expertise, but is there an easier way? My life is falling apart at the seams.

Thanks

Ari

[Titleesq]

1. doubt it and why should it and what if it is?
2.look at answer for #1....is it not the same question?
3.skewed from what, 252ng?...oh..baseline..thats right....
4. if it can..calculate it, post it, and then when u get your bloodwork back compare and post

what exactly are you worried about?

I am worried about the fact that my doctor did not perform all necessary testing prior to administration of treatment, and I lost my opportunity to establish a true baseline which would assist me in obtaining optimal treatment and results. Do I abstain from treatment at the moment until I can get a more accurate baseline, or will my baseline not be too far off, hence allowing me to closely approximate baseline numbers, and continue treatment?

Thanks

Ari

[lovbyts]

I dong get what you are going on about. Your baseline is 252ng. That was before treatment.

Now you want to get somewhere in the middle of normal, between 300 - 900
If your test comes out to near 300 it's to low, closer to 900 the better to a point but then you also have to watch your E2 levels to make sure your test does not convert to estrogen.

It's better to take the injections 1x a week instead of every 2 weeks due to the 1/2 life only lasting around 8 days so at day 14 you will be down to or below 300 again feeling bad. You want to keep your levels up around 600 all the time. The more steady the better.

[Titleesq]

I dong get what you are going on about. Your baseline is 252ng. That was before treatment.

Now you want to get somewhere in the middle of normal, between 300 - 900
If your test comes out to near 300 it's to low, closer to 900 the better to a point but then you also have to watch your E2 levels to make sure your test does not convert to estrogen.

It's better to take the injections 1x a week instead of every 2 weeks due to the 1/2 life only lasting around 8 days so at day 14 you will be down to or below 300 again feeling bad. You want to keep your levels up around 600 all the time. The more steady the better.

Thanks for the advice lovbyts, I really appreciate it. I understand that baseline for my Total T would be 252ng, but I am more concerned with whether or not starting the Test Cyp treatment PRIOR to having complete panel workups (my doc started me on the Test Cyp without first performing all the necessary testing, which I think is irresponsible), will make it impossible to get a baseline for the rest of my endocrine and/or hormone values. Prior to my two injects I only had a Total T test, but after doing some research, I realized that I needed many more tests, and so I had them done and am awaiting results.

In a nutshell, being a newbie and not and Endo, I guess what I am trying to determine is whether or not those two injects had any effect on my LH, FSH, SHBG, etc., and if so, what are the possible effects, and is there some way to analyze my results, factoring in the two injects, to determine true baseline?

I'm not sure whether or not I am making myself clear, or for that matter whether or not I am making any sense whatsoever, but I just don't know where else to turn for answers. I apologize if I sound like an idiot (not sure if he is trying to help me or not, but that's how jpkman's response made me feel).

Thanks for listening....

Ari

[zaggahamma]

Thanks for the advice lovbyts, I really appreciate it. I understand that baseline for my Total T would be 252ng, but I am more concerned with whether or not starting the Test Cyp treatment PRIOR to having complete panel workups (my doc started me on the Test Cyp without first performing all the necessary testing, which I think is irresponsible), will make it impossible to get a baseline for the rest of my endocrine and/or hormone values. Prior to my two injects I only had a Total T test, but after doing some research, I realized that I needed many more tests, and so I had them done and am awaiting results.

In a nutshell, being a newbie and not and Endo, I guess what I am trying to determine is whether or not those two injects had any effect on my LH, FSH, SHBG, etc., and if so, what are the possible effects, and is there some way to analyze my results, factoring in the two injects, to determine true baseline?

I'm not sure whether or not I am making myself clear, or for that matter whether or not I am making any sense whatsoever, but I just don't know where else to turn for answers. I apologize if I sound like an idiot (not sure if he is trying to help me or not, but that's how jpkman's response made me feel).

Thanks for listening....

Ari

i apologize for that...i was indeed rough...in a nutshell my point was...your going to be fine and your approaching 40 and you know one test was low which your right shouldnt have been the basis for jumping on trt but imo 90% of ppl our age are going to need trt for optimal health whether they know it or not and you have a pretty decent dose to start with...and all the guessing and precitions are just that...wait for blood work and until you dial in your dose quit trying to inject when you feel like it IF YOU CARE about finding your sweet spot...either way, your going to feel better than when your levels are in the 200's

sorry and best of luck...you had our boards best ppl chime and gave good and patient advice as well...i will be more helpful than critical in the future

[steroid.com 1]

Thanks for the advice lovbyts, I really appreciate it. I understand that baseline for my Total T would be 252ng, but I am more concerned with whether or not starting the Test Cyp treatment PRIOR to having complete panel workups (my doc started me on the Test Cyp without first performing all the necessary testing, which I think is irresponsible), will make it impossible to get a baseline for the rest of my endocrine and/or hormone values. Prior to my two injects I only had a Total T test, but after doing some research, I realized that I needed many more tests, and so I had them done and am awaiting results.

In a nutshell, being a newbie and not and Endo, I guess what I am trying to determine is whether or not those two injects had any effect on my LH, FSH, SHBG, etc., and if so, what are the possible effects, and is there some way to analyze my results, factoring in the two injects, to determine true baseline?

I'm not sure whether or not I am making myself clear, or for that matter whether or not I am making any sense whatsoever, but I just don't know where else to turn for answers. I apologize if I sound like an idiot (not sure if he is trying to help me or not, but that's how jpkman's response made me feel).

Thanks for listening....

Ari

You're not an idiot and you've come to the right place. I didn't take jman's email like you did; he answers like that sometimes but it's not intentional or mean spirited.

Post your labs with ranges when you get them plus the protocol you Doc has you on; that's when you will get the best of this board!

You'll be fine, in fact, when you're dialed in you're going to feel better then you ever have