HRT & 1st cycle???

[1_Grendel]

I am looking for advice for adding/developing my first cycle while on Androgel ; what works & doesn’t work with it. Would I ask these questions here “HRT” or move over to anabolic steroids question & answers?

FYI, I am not planning on starting the cycle tomorrow or soon this is all part of my research; still learning.

Tks

[zaggahamma]

imo, if you have access to other compounds then androgel wouldnt be needed for a cycle unless you dont have anyway of getting any other test for the base of your cycle
i always recommend deca as i had good success and it comes with little sides..
it will always be suggested to list your stats, goals,diet, history before giving cycle advice, etc....

you might even read a lot of posts of others with similar questions or other experiences/cycles in the aas forum and as well some cycles/blasts here in the hrt forum and get a lot of answers that way

[1_Grendel]

imo, if you have access to other compounds then androgel wouldnt be needed for a cycle unless you dont have anyway of getting any other test for the base of your cycle
i always recommend deca as i had good success and it comes with little sides..
it will always be suggested to list your stats, goals,diet, history before giving cycle advice, etc....

you might even read a lot of posts of others with similar questions or other experiences/cycles in the aas forum and as well some cycles/blasts here in the hrt forum and get a lot of answers that way

I have been reading quite a bit and at this time my goal is cutting and endurance. I want to loose as little muscle as possible but I know it is inevitable (from reading not experience). I have been at the gym for a little over 2 years & with the help of the “challenge” I was able to make some great progress & continue on that road.

I have seen a lot of different “cutting cycles” but I have yet to see one that included the prescribed HRT.

So… if I get this right you are suggesting I put the Androgel aside while on whatever cycle meds I choose to go with?
Why???
I see many cycles using some kind of steroid /test why remove a prescribe test and substitute it with another?

I am in no way stating that I know what I am doing, this is all new, so any and all suggestions will be appreciated while I am on this road of education towards cycles.

Tks

Stats & Background info:

On 2.5mg Androgel
44 year old male
205-110lb 5’11” (weight varies)
Low Test 171(actual test result before Androgel was prescribed)
bf%??? (dont really know.)
BMR figured at 25%bf, 208lb: 1901
Cal. figured with a 1.2 multiplier, 2282, at multiplier of 1.5, 2852
Diet% Pro40%, Carb 39%, Fat 19%, Tcal 2200 (see below for lunch variables during the week)

for my first blood test (while on Androgel) I Purposely Lowballed; result 241. I purposely only used 1/3 of the gel packet for (2) days before my blood test) to keep the test low and hopefully encourage the Dr. to up the prescription (no luck).

Diet is good not great. I am still on the diet that Twist set me up with (over 6 months now). Explain “not great”: I take customers to lunch so a couple times a week I have “bad/cheat” meals. (i do change up the diet but i am sticking to the diet as much as possiable)

My last visit with the Dr. was not that great (7/7). He believes my test level is ok at 241 (lowballed); referral to an Endo was not thought to be necessary so this referral would end up being considered “elective” by my insurance; means I have to pay.

I have DMSO on order and I plan on paying for my own blood test once I can start mixing DMSO with Androgel. I want to know what my true test level is before I start taking this into my own hands and cycling.

[sirupate]

Isn't 2.5mg of the gel only two pumps from the pump bottle? If so, that isn't even the recommended starting dose of Androgel 1% (4 pumps/5mgs.). If you have the 1.62% Androgel (new to market), well, I'm confused.

Anyway, I'm an old guy who doesn't cycle, but most cycles would have you on much more test. in addition to other things (like Deca ).

[1_Grendel]

O-ya, to go along with your deca suggestion my research suggested I add Cytomel & clen . any thoughts?

[1_Grendel]

Isn't 2.5mg of the gel only two pumps from the pump bottle? If so, that isn't even the recommended starting dose of Androgel 1% (4 pumps/5mgs.). If you have the 1.62% Androgel (new to market), well, I'm confused.

Anyway, I'm an old guy who doesn't cycle, but most cycles would have you on much more test. in addition to other things (like Deca).

I am not sure this is all new to me. but this was what i was told http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ect-amp-advice look at post 12 & 14.

[sirupate]

I am not sure this is all new to me. but this was what i was told http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ect-amp-advice look at post 12 & 14.

OK...I sort of remember now. You have the 2.5gm packets rather than the 5gm packets. You can also get the pump bottles that are a bit easier to use, unless you are traveling...then the packets might make sense. You have the 1% Androgel . If you take 1% of 2.5gms and then multiply by the 10% absorption rate (approx), then you are getting about 2.5mgs per day dosage. Have you done any BW since going on that dosage of the gel? Are you numbers better now?

Most of the guys doing a cycle are pinning test. cyp. as their base and they are probably sourcing outside of normal channels. So, you are gonna get some funny responses using only 2.5gm packets of the gel.

[1_Grendel]

OK...I sort of remember now. You have the 2.5gm packets rather than the 5gm packets. You can also get the pump bottles that are a bit easier to use, unless you are traveling...then the packets might make sense. You have the 1% Androgel . If you take 1% of 2.5gms and then multiply by the 10% absorption rate (approx), then you are getting about 2.5mgs per day dosage. Have you done any BW since going on that dosage of the gel? Are you numbers better now?

Most of the guys doing a cycle are pinning test. cyp. as their base and they are probably sourcing outside of normal channels. So, you are gonna get some funny responses using only 2.5gm packets of the gel.

i lowballed my bw with my Dr. in hopes to get a higher dosage 241 was my test result while on Andgogel that is only up 70 from my low of 171. This 241 number is within the "normal Low" range so Dr. says i am good to go. This is why i have ordered the DMSO. Once i get the DMSO i will get another BW done and post the results.

[sirupate]

You (and I) need a new doctor. A total test. level of 241, while in the normal range, is so low that I believe it would be abnormal if you actually felt good. My endo became concerned when my total levels went over 1000, and he didn't seem at all concerned about my free levels which remained low. I don't know if good doctors are hard to find, but I sure understand that it is difficult to doctor shop hoping to find an enlightened one.

Your DMSO experiment may prove interesting. More test. will get into your body, but I don't know how consistant it will be.

[sirupate]

You (and I) need a new doctor. A total test. level of 241, while in the normal range, is so low that I believe it would be abnormal if you actually felt good. My endo became concerned when my total levels went over 1000, and he didn't seem at all concerned about my free levels which remained low. I don't know if good doctors are hard to find, but I sure understand that it is difficult to doctor shop hoping to find an enlightened one.

Your DMSO experiment may prove interesting. More test. will get into your body, but I don't know how consistant it will be.

[1_Grendel]

You (and I) need a new doctor. A total test. level of 241, while in the normal range, is so low that I believe it would be abnormal if you actually felt good. My endo became concerned when my total levels went over 1000, and he didn't seem at all concerned about my free levels which remained low. I don't know if good doctors are hard to find, but I sure understand that it is difficult to doctor shop hoping to find an enlightened one.

Your DMSO experiment may prove interesting. More test. will get into your body, but I don't know how consistant it will be.

Consistency is key,,, there is a member here that has been using it for 13+ years along with his post and others post/threads here it seems like it is worth a try.
I plan on mixing it the same each day before application.
I thought about shopping around for a Dr. that is friendly/experienced to our situation but that takes a lot of work.
But if when I cycle it is recommend that I drop off of the prescribed HRT and use something else then there may be little need if the DMSO concededly raises my test level.
If, I drop off of Androgel while on a cycle; the way I see it I will be banking Androgel in a drawer for the time I am on a cycle. So once off the cycle I will have x amount of days to double up; if I want.