62 yr old blood results getting it dialed in

**namvet** · 09-14-2011, 09:56 AM

just got blood work back form last week, psa .2,..... e2 8 ,low i know, , .... T 750 , this is while taking one third ml of T twice a week, and .5 arimadex EOD, 300 iu's hcg twice a week, gonna go to .5 arimadex every third day or twice a week, gonna go with half a ml. of T twice a week,wanta try to get my T back at a 1000 level,

**sirupate** · 09-14-2011, 11:26 AM

Sounds pretty good really. With your e2 that low, do you notice any adverse effects? I assume that by going to the same dose of arimidex a bit less often...you are trying to raise e2 a bit?

**steroid.com 1** · 09-14-2011, 11:32 AM

Dang that's some low E2. Bet you're having a pretty hard time getting a good hard-on. Give some thought to .5 mg of arimadex on injection days only and see how you feel. You need to get your E2 levels up...we need E2 and that low is not healthy at all.

Total T at this point is less important then bio-available or percent free...what were those panels?

**VMAAG** · 09-14-2011, 12:30 PM

E2 of 8 is dangerously low. You need a healthy level of estradiol to support strong, healthy bones and prostate function. Which lab did your blood work? If it was LabCorp then you want your estradiol to be 20-30; that is the optimal range. Also what was your Free T?

**bass** · 09-14-2011, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

Dang that's some low E2. Bet you're having a pretty hard time getting a good hard-on. Give some thought to .5 mg of arimadex on injection days only and see how you feel. You need to get your E2 levels up...we need E2 and that low is not healthy at all.

Total T at this point is less important then bio-available or percent free...what were those panels?

i was told it takes 12-24 hours for T to start converting to E, and the effects of AI are almost immediate. your suggestion could work well, but E2 that low i would wait at least a day after to take AI. just my opinion...

**zaggahamma** · 09-14-2011, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by VMAAG

E2 of 8 is dangerously low. You need a healthy level of estradiol to support strong, healthy bones and prostate function. Which lab did your blood work? If it was LabCorp then you want your estradiol to be 20-30; that is the optimal range. Also what was your Free T?

what would the lab matter? do you mean cause they are the only one that use a certain measurement?

**steroid.com 1** · 09-14-2011, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by bass

i was told it takes 12-24 hours for T to start converting to E, and the effects of AI are almost immediate. your suggestion could work well, but E2 that low i would wait at least a day after to take AI. just my opinion...

Excellent opinion bass; I totally concur. I take my AI 8 to 12 hours after injection as half life of both T and an AI are approx the same; both peak at about the same time. But you are correct; an AI gets into the blood stream pretty quickly and the long esters can take a bit longer. That being said, assuming a man is on a weekly, or twice weekly protocol like myself, T levels should be somewhat consistent between injections.

**namvet** · 09-14-2011, 07:27 PM

i'll try to get my e2 up by taking the .5 dex a day after my T injection, i didn't get total blood work done (labcore) just the 3 idems for now ,my uroigist order it for me, ..a month ago my E2 was 59 and T was 1150,so i over did the dex., so now i will do .5 dex. every 3 rd day,.a day after T,....i'll dial it in soon, but i felt good had a lot of energy even at that low E2, ,..question...i have to get more DEX. soon do you think its a bad idea to get 1.0 mg Dex or stick with the .5 DEX, i get a better deal on the 1.0 DEX., how and when would i take the 1.0 DEX.?.................two months ago my T was 1500 ,( i was taking 1.5 ml. of T a week) my E2 was 29, and my psa was .3,the higher my T the higher my psa was

**bass** · 09-14-2011, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

Excellent opinion bass; I totally concur. I take my AI 8 to 12 hours after injection as half life of both T and an AI are approx the same; both peak at about the same time. But you are correct; an AI gets into the blood stream pretty quickly and the long esters can take a bit longer. That being said, assuming a man is on a weekly, or twice weekly protocol like myself, T levels should be somewhat consistent between injections.

GD, if i may ask, what time of the day do you inject and what time of the day do you take AI?

**steroid.com 1** · 09-15-2011, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by bass

GD, if i may ask, what time of the day do you inject and what time of the day do you take AI?

bass, here's my weekly protocol:

250 iu HCG EOD
Monday AM: 60 mg T Cyp
Monday PM: .5 mg Anastrozole (12 hours from injection)
Thursday PM: 60 mg T Cyp
Friday AM: .5 mg Anastrozole (12 hours from injection)

Really works well for me. E2 last BW was 22.6 with T percent available = 2.56% and bio-available = 64.6%. All ideal levels.

This protocol has two primary objective:

1. Keeping both E2 and intratesticular E2 under control
2. Keeping highs and low to an absolute minimum

Giving half lifes of both T Cyp and Anastrozole the timing of both seems to be just right for me. I have no neg sides (except the dreaded acne and oily skin) to speak of and feel great all the time.

BTW, I also take daily in a alcohol based trans-dermal:

10 mg DHEA
10 mg Pregnenolone
3 mg Selegiline

This is to back fill the pathways and the Selegiline is an incredible anti-aging drug (taken in low doses) that has huge benefits not withstanding giving my libido a swift kick...can't praise this drug enough.

**steroid.com 1** · 09-15-2011, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by namvet

i'll try to get my e2 up by taking the .5 dex a day after my T injection, i didn't get total blood work done (labcore) just the 3 idems for now ,my uroigist order it for me, ..a month ago my E2 was 59 and T was 1150,so i over did the dex., so now i will do .5 dex. every 3 rd day,.a day after T,....i'll dial it in soon, but i felt good had a lot of energy even at that low E2, ,..question...i have to get more DEX. soon do you think its a bad idea to get 1.0 mg Dex or stick with the .5 DEX, i get a better deal on the 1.0 DEX., how and when would i take the 1.0 DEX.?.................two months ago my T was 1500 ,( i was taking 1.5 ml. of T a week) my E2 was 29, and my psa was .3,the higher my T the higher my psa was

Stick with the .5 mg Dex

You really need to see test levels in bio-available and percent free...total T as this juncture is not very revealing. See if you can get those the next time you get your E2 tested (I hope in about 6 weeks after you make your adjustments).

**bass** · 09-15-2011, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by gdevine

bass, here's my weekly protocol:

250 iu HCG EOD
Monday AM: 60 mg T Cyp
Monday PM: .5 mg Anastrozole (12 hours from injection)
Thursday PM: 60 mg T Cyp
Friday AM: .5 mg Anastrozole (12 hours from injection)

Really works well for me. E2 last BW was 22.6 with T percent available = 2.56% and bio-available = 64.6%. All ideal levels.

This protocol has two primary objective:

1. Keeping both E2 and intratesticular E2 under control
2. Keeping highs and low to an absolute minimum

Giving half lifes of both T Cyp and Anastrozole the timing of both seems to be just right for me. I have no neg sides (except the dreaded acne and oily skin) to speak of and feel great all the time.

BTW, I also take daily in a alcohol based trans-dermal:

10 mg DHEA
10 mg Pregnenolone
3 mg Selegiline

This is to back fill the pathways and the Selegiline is an incredible anti-aging drug (taken in low doses) that has huge benefits not withstanding giving my libido a swift kick...can't praise this drug enough.

thanks GD. i may follow your protocol when and see how it works for me. i too feel much better on lower doses of Test, for example i feel much better on 160 mgs test than 200 mgs!

**sirupate** · 09-15-2011, 01:41 PM

gdevine....I'd really like it if you discussed selegiline some more. Maybe a new thread?

"This is to back fill the pathways and the Selegiline is an incredible anti-aging drug (taken in low doses) that has huge benefits not withstanding giving my libido a swift kick...can't praise this drug enough."

Thanks,

Jeff

**bass** · 09-15-2011, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by sirupate

gdevine....I'd really like it if you discussed selegiline some more. Maybe a new thread?

"This is to back fill the pathways and the Selegiline is an incredible anti-aging drug (taken in low doses) that has huge benefits not withstanding giving my libido a swift kick...can't praise this drug enough."

Thanks,

Jeff

i agree, a dedicated thread would be great!