New to this forum and group. Is my Dr crazy, or am I?

[grind4it]

I have spent the last few hours researching the message boards at this site trying to find answers to my questions; the more I read the more questions I have. My hope is that someone can help me see the light.

I am a 41 year old man. The last few years i have felt run down and mildly depressed (which makes no sense - I have the perfect life - redneck paradise). The last two years i have lifted weights (I eat clean) with almost no results, this coupled with belly fat lead me to believe I may have low testosterone ....not to mention No sex drive.

This inspired a google search after a night much like this, I determined that I may have low testosterone . I requested a blood test from my doctor. My test level was 230. The doctor tried to tell me this is in the range of a normal 40 year old man, luckily I had research the topic and argued that I was low. He gave me a prescription to the topical, Axiron (60 mg per day). I have been on the Axiron for 6 weeks with no signs of change. So I go back to the doctor and tell him I don't think the Axiron is working, plus I don't like the topical. He agrees to give me CYP 100mg once a week. So I run home and hit my quad. I felt good the first couple of days, then felt like same old self.

Here's were things go wrong. I start thinking my doctor is to conservative. I start surfing the web and start finding the TRT sites. Then I find this site and I start really questioning the competence of my doctor...so, I still have a full bottle of Axiron. I did what any redneck in my position would do; I followed the doctors dose for the CYP (100mg a week) and added the Axiron....then I doubled the dose of the Axiron. I feel great. for the first time in years I feel awesome.

Here's my questions; do I stay with my doctor and fessup to what I have done and try to sell him on my cocktail?
If I go this route, I will have to educate him on scrips for man boobs and shrunken bingbag. When I brought this up before he gave me a blank look like had not clue of what I was talking about.

Can someone recommend a testosterone replacement clinic in the greater DFW or North Texas area? I surfed the web but most of the clinics that turns up look like cheesy scams to me.

Can anyone give me an idea of what I should be taking (legal/prescription), along with doses?

Ideally, Somone can recommend a doctor in Dallas that knows what he is doing and will help me get right.

Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

More about me
41 years old
Male
6'2" 213lbs
Eat clean (3,000 calories, 300 protien 200 carb)
Test 230s
Heathy as a horse

[JohnnyVegas]

Cyp takes time to build up, so it is in your head if you instantly felt better. No worries, it is common. It will take three to five weeks to get the benefits of Cyp.

This is why it is difficult to rely on feelings for TRT. The best thing to do is have blood work done and see what you Test levels are. Then go on treatment and do blood work again after a few months to see how you are doing. Your stats say you were at 230 (but post of your other numbers) which is low. You should stick with the injections and get blood work done again after the Cyp has time to raise your levels. Adjust from there.

100mg/week is common for TRT, and you should feel different after a few weeks. It takes some patience, but it will pay off.

...and welcome to the forum!

[grind4it]

Thanks! I really appreciate the feedback. Do you think I am over doing it by adding the Axiron?

Do you think I need other prescriptions? Not to get graphic, but I would hate for the gonads to shrivel up. Or for that matter I don't want to have to be fitted for the manzzer.

Do you think I should shop for a new Dr?

[bigboy67]

I would bring him studies and research and such (like the renowned Dr. Crissler) and see if he is swayed. If so, great, If not, I would go get a different doctor, it's not worth it in my opinion to have to give your doctor an ear beating and convince him of every little thing EVERY TIME YOU GO SEE HIM

Just my two cents

[bigboy67]

100mg test, 1 mg arimidex , 500 iu hcg is a standard weekly protocol

Oh, and I wouldn't say "shop" doctors, it has a bad connotation (although I totally get what you mean)

[JD250]

Johnny Vegas hit it right on the money, re read his post and stick with it for a few weeks, although I do believe there are some things that change within a few days after taking your first shot but the big changes take weeks and even months so please be patient and enjoy, keep educating yourself on the matter and DONT fire that doctor yet....they can be a pain in the ass for sure but this guy agreed to let you inject yourself with 100mgs of cyp each week....you're way ahead of most already.

Do as Bigboy suggested and converse with him about protocols that have been proven, show him some studies and what blood tests you will need and be sure to tell him with a smile on your face how you feel better than you have in a long time.......he'll see that you're sincere about educating yourself on the matter and also that you're making huge progress.

Remember this.......these HRT "clinics" are mostly interested in selling you stuff they really aren't interested in your health.....also...insurance wont pay for a clinic. $$$ Work with that doc the best you can, I had similair test levels and mine gave me a script for anti depressants and basically told me that "getting old sucks...deal with it"

Hang in there bro and keep us updated in this thread, we will do everything we can to help you out, many times it can be confusing but the guys on this site are top notch...I've learned a ton from them and so will you.

[sirupate]

As said above...I'd come off the Axiron and save that for some other time. Keep injecting and see how you feel in a bit. More bloodwork down the road will tell the story. Some guys never get their doctor to permit self-injecting. You may be ahead of the game with your current doctor. If he can eventually see the light on HCG and an AI (assuming one is needed), keep that doc!

Get copies of your labs from your doctor and keep those for future reference.

[grind4it]

You guys are awesome! Okay, I'll drop the Axiron and stick with the CYP. Also, thanks very much for the perscription recommendations. How will I know when it's time to ask for the additional perscriptions? Or should I wait until my follow-up visit in 4 months and waltz in the doctors office with the medical reports you guys mentioned above and try to diplomatically educate my doctor?

Thanks again. The information that you gentlemen posted absolutly have answered my questions as well as helped me understand what is going on with my body and spirit.

Sincerely, thank you

[grind4it]

Gentlemen, I have a final question; what is the propose of the Arimidex and HCG ?

Thanks once again.

[yannick35]

Having suffered from chronic back pain for 10 years i can tell you this, don't waist your time with incompetence, there are many out there that will tell you what you want to hear but they are after your money. I wasted 2 years like this with a sport doctor who was suppose to be skilled in prolotherapy, this idiot gave me 12cc to cover 3 painsites, when usually its 40cc to cover one pain site, i was also very anemic but he never told me.

If you feel your current doctor sucks, then tell him to fukk off, and go elsewhere. Sometimes it will take time to find a good doctor but when you are in good hands you don't question yourself.

[lovbyts]

Yannick35. I dont see a way to PM you, maybe you have it shut off. I would like to chat with you about Prolotherapy. I went back to 2008 and read your post there also. Im a member of the ruptured Herniated L3, L4 Y L5s1 team.

sorry OP for the hijack.

[JD250]

Gentlemen, I have a final question; what is the propose of the Arimidex and HCG ?

Thanks once again.

In short Arimidex/anastrozol keeps your estrogen levels in check and HCG keeps your huevos working enough so that they don't shrink up and fall off .....of course those explanations really are short on details, important details, they do much more than what I've said here.

Here's a little something on Arimidex.......http://www.steroid.com/Arimidex.php


And here's a little something about HCG........http://www.steroid.com/HCG.php


Search Dr. Crisler and check out his TRT protocols and articles.

[JD250]

. Im a member of the ruptured Herniated L3, L4 Y L5s1 team.

Damn man!! That aint a good team to be on. Are you still having trouble? had surgery? I'm going on 2 years after laser surgery on my three lowest discs, being a contractor has taken it's toll on my body, so far I'm good...maybe 85 to 90% of what would be normal,......I've been to hell and back so I aint complaining.

[yannick35]

lobyts check your private message jd250 you guys might want to look into Platelet Rich Plasma

[steroid.com 1]

All advise here is accurate and correct as usual.

Print this out and read it, read it again and finally...read it one more time. When you are done, give it to your Doctor.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/TRT.doc

Dr. Crisler will work with your Doctor to get your protocol corrected for a small fee. At the same time he will educate your Physician so that in the future he can provide the correct care to men.

If you want a local TRT Doc I would suggest calling local "Compounding Pharmacies" and see who they work with and who prescribes all three components to a successful protocol;

Test Cyp
hCG
Aromatase Inhibitor

Stick with this thread and keep it updated and you will get great feedback and advise.

[lovbyts]

Damn man!! That aint a good team to be on. Are you still having trouble? had surgery? I'm going on 2 years after laser surgery on my three lowest discs, being a contractor has taken it's toll on my body, so far I'm good...maybe 85 to 90% of what would be normal,......I've been to hell and back so I aint complaining.

2005 I had surgery on L3&L4. Best choice I ever made. Before surgery I could only walk or stand for 10 min at a time. After surgery I was 99% back to normal.
2007 I blew L5/S1 and was mostly paralyzed from the waist down for 2 weeks before surgery. After surgery 90% better. Still got some lower back pains, numbness in my glutes and feet but it's nothing compared to when it ruptured. BTW I was doing an inverted situp on a inversion table. Didnt warm up and my back was already stressed.

Ive checked into PRP and still have some reservations. I have a co worker who has had 3 sessions on his elbow in the last year with only mild benefits so far.

OP btw I agree with the rest. You need to give it time for the test to kick in. Also your next blood work make sure you get your E2 checked.

[kelkel]

Remember to read and re-read Crisler's stuff as well as the T related stickies. Lots of good info. Print out, highlight, take to the doc with you.

[yannick35]

PRP a period of rest must be given for 6 weeks, time for repairs and everything. Not sure if your friend took that time off or he went back to regular activity, same goes with prolotherapy, ligaments and tendons can get reinjured if the person jumps back to regular activity after treatment.

[JohnnyVegas]

Man, I am gone for a few hours and come back to an avalanche of good info.

They one thing I will add (and it is just an opinion) is that Arimidex should only be taken if the blood work shows elevated E2. I self diagnosed once and went on Arimidex without my doctor knowing...and it was a disaster so I discontinued after a week and a half. When I did blood work a couple of months later my doc said "your E2 stays consistently low, we will probably never need to put you on an AI." I kept my mouth shut about being an idiot. Heh.

For perspective, I don't need an AI and I take double the Test dose you do.