Sub-Q Test Injection starting today!

[PetrX]

I can't wait to see your results..I'm type 1 diabetic so I'm use to sub-q injections atleast 5-6 times a day so if it also works well with test than this will be a good route for me to go.

[Mr Tick]

How many cc are you injecting at one time per spot? Just wondering if that might be causing the bump. My doc also told me that I could try sub q if I wanted to. Today was only my second injection. I did one in my butt last week and one in the quad today. I dident have any issues and don't plan of trying the sub q. Only thing was my quad started to twitch a little while I still had the pin still in my leg. Felt a little weird but I dident have any issue with it. I just figured it was because of the virgin muscle.

I'm really interested to see what ur labs show. My doc said he is thinking of trying to switch some of his other patients to this because of there issue with the im injections.

[bass]

How many cc are you injecting at one time per spot? Just wondering if that might be causing the bump. My doc also told me that I could try sub q if I wanted to. Today was only my second injection. I did one in my butt last week and one in the quad today. I dident have any issues and don't plan of trying the sub q. Only thing was my quad started to twitch a little while I still had the pin still in my leg. Felt a little weird but I dident have any issue with it. I just figured it was because of the virgin muscle.

I'm really interested to see what ur labs show. My doc said he is thinking of trying to switch some of his other patients to this because of there issue with the im injections.

60 mgs per shot. total of 120 per week. LOL, twitching! thats the beauty of SQ, no nerves and no veins to worry about!

[bass]

very disappointed guys! here is my blood work, my liver took a big hit from anavar and NSAIDs, and my lipid panel is shot! so i am stopping anavar and starting injectable Glutathione to cleanse my liver and hopefully get my lipid corrected. also was a little disappointed with my total T even though my free is at the top end, i expected my total to be around 700-800! so i will switch back to IM at the same dose 120 per week split and within 3 weeks i'll do similar blood work and see how everything looks!

CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 4.7 x10E3/uL 4.0 − 10.5 01
RBC 5.45 x10E6/uL 4.10 − 5.60 01
Hemoglobin 16.2 g/dL 12.5 − 17.0 01
Hematocrit 49.0 % 36.0 − 50.0 01
MCV 90 fL 80 − 98 01
MCH 29.7 pg 27.0 − 34.0 01
MCHC 33.1 g/dL 32.0 − 36.0 01
RDW 14.3 % 11.7 − 15.0 01
Platelets 205 x10E3/uL 140 − 415 01
Neutrophils 58 % 40 − 74 01
Lymphs 33 % 14 − 46 01
Monocytes 7 % 4 − 13 01
Eos 2 % 0 − 7 01
Basos 0 % 0 − 3 01
Neutrophils (Absolute) 2.7 x10E3/uL 1.8 − 7.8 01
Lymphs (Absolute) 1.6 x10E3/uL 0.7 − 4.5 01
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.4 x10E3/uL 0.1 − 1.0 01
Eos (Absolute) 0.1 x10E3/uL 0.0 − 0.4 01
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 x10E3/uL 0.0 − 0.2 01
Immature Granulocytes 0 % 0 − 2 01
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 x10E3/uL 0.0 − 0.1 01
SPACE
Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose, Serum 84 mg/dL 65 − 99 01
BUN 19 mg/dL 6 − 24 01
Creatinine, Serum 1.30 High mg/dL 0.76 − 1.27 01
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 63 mL/min/1.73 >59
eGFR If Africn Am 73 mL/min/1.73 >59

BUN/Creatinine Ratio 15 9 − 20
Sodium, Serum 137 mmol/L 135 − 145 01
Potassium, Serum 4.6 mmol/L 3.5 − 5.2 01
Chloride, Serum 101 mmol/L 97 − 108 01
Carbon Dioxide, Total 25 mmol/L 20 − 32 01
Calcium, Serum 9.8 mg/dL 8.7 − 10.2 01
Protein, Total, Serum 6.8 g/dL 6.0 − 8.5 01
Albumin, Serum 4.1 g/dL 3.5 − 5.5 01
Globulin, Total 2.7 g/dL 1.5 − 4.5
A/G Ratio 1.5 1.1 − 2.5
Bilirubin, Total 0.5 mg/dL 0.0 − 1.2 01
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 37 IU/L 25 − 150 01
AST (SGOT) 48 High IU/L 0 − 40 01
ALT (SGPT) 71 High IU/L 0 − 55 01
SPACE
Lipid Panel With LDL/HDL Ratio
Cholesterol, Total 266 High mg/dL 100 − 199 01
Triglycerides 155 High mg/dL 0 − 149 01
HDL Cholesterol 21 Low mg/dL >39 01
Comment 01
According to ATP−III Guidelines, HDL−C >59 mg/dL is considered a
negative risk factor for CHD.
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 31 mg/dL 5 − 40
LDL Cholesterol Calc 214 High mg/dL 0 − 99
LDL/HDL Ratio 10.2 High ratio units 0.0 − 3.6
SPACE
Testosterone,Free and Total
Testosterone , Serum 539 ng/dL 348 − 1197 01
Free Testosterone(Direct) 24.9 High pg/mL 7.2 − 24.0 02
SPACE
DHEA, Serum
353 ng/dL 31 − 701 02
Estradiol 31.5 pg/mL 7.6 − 42.6 01

[steroid.com 1]

bass - First, when did you take this pull relative to your injection and AI protocol?

1. Hematocrit 49.0 % 36.0 − 50.0 01 - Keep an eye on this...when was the last time you gave blood?
2. AST (SGOT) 48 High IU/L 0 − 40 01
ALT (SGPT) 71 High IU/L 0 − 55 01 - These are high and you why and what to do.
3. Lipids will probably correct when you stop the anavar .
4. Your Total Test is lower as a result of you lowering your weekly dosage bass. This is not a result of SQ injections. Increase your weekly dosage and this will elevate. But I can swear you stated you felt better at the lower weekly dosage levels. Remember, Total is much less important then Free and/or Bioavailable.
5. E2 just a smidge elevated but nothing really to worry about.

Did you get:

SHBG
Progesterone
Cortisol

[lvs]

bass, did your liver enzymes increase when you ran var the previous time?

[bass]

bass - First, when did you take this pull relative to your injection and AI protocol? i gave blood 10 hours before my injection, and took AI the next morning.

1. Hematocrit 49.0 % 36.0 − 50.0 01 - Keep an eye on this...when was the last time you gave blood? about 6 weeks ago, i have an appointment to donate within 2 weeks.
2. AST (SGOT) 48 High IU/L 0 − 40 01
ALT (SGPT) 71 High IU/L 0 − 55 01 - These are high and you why and what to do. yes
3. Lipids will probably correct when you stop the anavar . i am hoping!
4. Your Total Test is lower as a result of you lowering your weekly dosage bass. This is not a result of SQ injections. Increase your weekly dosage and this will elevate. But I can swear you stated you felt better at the lower weekly dosage levels. Remember, Total is much less important then Free and/or Bioavailable. Yes i do feel better, not planing to increase the dose just the method of injecting. just curious if it makes a difference, if not then i'll go back to SQ which i prefer. just experimenting on this one.
5. E2 just a smidge elevated but nothing really to worry about. yea i am fine with it, no symptoms to worry about.

Did you get:

SHBG, not this time, it was very low the last time i did it.
Progesterone, no
Cortisol, no

in bold!

[bass]

bass, did your liver enzymes increase when you ran var the previous time?

yes but didn't go above normal.

[lvs]

same dose? anything else change in your protocol from that time to this one? How long had you been on it up to testing day?

yes but didn't go above normal.

[lvs]

oops, double post!

yes but didn't go above normal.

[bass]

same dose? anything else change in your protocol from that time to this one? How long had you been on it up to testing day?

yea same dose, 50 mgs ed, the only thing changed is lower dose test and less AI, last time i was on 200 mgs test and 2.5 mgs AI ew. both times i was on var for about 4-5 weeks. i just got a fragile liver, really sucks!

[kelkel]

Bass, donate double reds this time. Dump a lot more iron out.

[bass]

Bass, donate double reds this time. Dump a lot more iron out.

not sure if they do that at the Mobil location, but will ask them, Thanks!

[kelkel]

You mean you don't have that technology in "your bathroom"???

[bass]

You mean you don't have that technology in "your bathroom"???

LOL, no i am not that sophisticated!

[jamotech]

Do you take milk thistle Bass? Im sure youve heard of it, just curious if youve been taking it already...

[ecdysone]

I'm thinking that var shouldn't have such a large effect on your LDL, like maybe screw it up by a third or so. I'm also pretty sure it has almost no effect on triglycerides.

Might want to consider diet??

Also, if your LDL typically runs a bit low, niacin can do wonders - it doubled my values the past couple years (altho some might be due to a better diet).

[flatscat]

I don't get this whole sub q thing guys. I mean I tried it - it just seems like it is too much trouble - by the time you draw and inject one shot, you could have done an IM injection, taken a shower and been dressed for work. I am glad you tried it Bass, but are you gonna stick with it?

[steroid.com 1]

I don't get this whole sub q thing guys. I mean I tried it - it just seems like it is too much trouble - by the time you draw and inject one shot, you could have done an IM injection, taken a shower and been dressed for work. I am glad you tried it Bass, but are you gonna stick with it?

It's just an option Flats.

What the Canadian study found was that E2 appeared to be better managed when compared to IM using the same dosage...that and less pain makes it an option for some men.

[ecdysone]

It's just an option Flats.

What the Canadian study found

Do you have a link to that study...thanks.

Oh, one thing I was going to mention to bass, and as a "new guy" here not sure if you'll talked about it: I go straight into the quads with a slim pin. As my BF is rather low in that area, the injection is probably a combination of IM/SQ. The technique is to just find an area on your body with very little fat and pressing against the skin by using the force you need to get the oil out of a narrow gauge needle, the depth of penetration is more than the 5/16+ inches. Also, if using small volumes (1/3 of a cc) it is critical to check for any leakage.

[flatscat]

I am not knocking it GD. But if one is pretty happy with IM and their E2 levels are okay - then it is just a preference I guess. Just don't want newbs to think this process is complicated - it isn't. It can be as simple OR as complicated as you want depending on the time you have to spend and your desire to drill down the the tiniest minutia with regards to protocols, substances and outcomes.

But the simplest protocols are still better than no protocol....

I am glad I tried sub Q, I am glad Bass tried it. I am glad you are incorporating it into your protocol. To each his own.

Peace out

[bass]

Do you take milk thistle Bass? Im sure youve heard of it, just curious if youve been taking it already...

yes been taking it but not enough! so i'll up my dose.

[bass]

Do you have a link to that study...thanks.

Oh, one thing I was going to mention to bass, and as a "new guy" here not sure if you'll talked about it: I go straight into the quads with a slim pin. As my BF is rather low in that area, the injection is probably a combination of IM/SQ. The technique is to just find an area on your body with very little fat and pressing against the skin by using the force you need to get the oil out of a narrow gauge needle, the depth of penetration is more than the 5/16+ inches. Also, if using small volumes (1/3 of a cc) it is critical to check for any leakage.

thanks for the info!

[bass]

I am not knocking it GD. But if one is pretty happy with IM and their E2 levels are okay - then it is just a preference I guess. Just don't want newbs to think this process is complicated - it isn't. It can be as simple OR as complicated as you want depending on the time you have to spend and your desire to drill down the the tiniest minutia with regards to protocols, substances and outcomes.

But the simplest protocols are still better than no protocol....

I am glad I tried sub Q, I am glad Bass tried it. I am glad you are incorporating it into your protocol. To each his own.

Peace out

to be honest it doesn't take long at all to draw 60mgs. the easy part is i don't have to twist my body to reach my ass, not easy at my age! i was going to switch to IM just to see the difference, but since i'll be injecting Glutathione 3 times a week in my glute i'll stay with the SQ and experiment later.