HRT/TRT/ Neck surgery

**SUPERMAN5039** · 11-04-2011, 05:02 PM

I just turned 50 in July. I've been doing TRT for two years. My insurance only covers Testim gel 1%. I get 50 mg per a 5 g tube, 30 tubes. My doctor has me applying the gel daily. If my math is correct this is 350 mg per week and 1400 mg per month. This costs thru insurance $20.00. But it's only 1%. At this strength I'm assuming I'm not getting 1400 mg monthly. Am I correct to assume this? If so would anyone know how much test I'm really getting daily, weekly, monthly? I know with injectibles at 200 mgs that per 1 ml you don't get 200 mgs. I remember reading a while back that 200 mgs of injectible test is more like 180 mgs since it's cut with an oil.

I'm also considering HRT. It's expensive since my insurance doesn't cover any of it. What is a good dosage to start with and to maintain? I'm not looking to transform into the hulk just maintain and lose body fat. I'm 6'2 230. Last time I checked my BF it was at 12%.

I'm also having neck surgery in January. Should I wait to start the HGH or will it help with my recovery?

**yannick35** · 11-04-2011, 08:42 PM

I am using TRT along with Palatel Rich Plasma injections, and prolotherapy, eating a high protein diet also and fats to repair my ligaments and tendons. I would definitely start HRT that will really help you recover after your surgery. Its like an army the more you have the quicker you will repair and get back on your feet.

I was on androgel gel for about 2 weeks, 148$ per month insurance covers the gel it cost me 33$, i don't want to knock the gel but i have been advise that injections do a far better job, i am on Delatestryl Test E insurance covers it too, 5ml i inject 1ml per week about 7 days, 1cc, cost is 33$ covered by insurance 9$ for 5 injections or 5 weeks.

**bass** · 11-05-2011, 01:15 AM

i agree with yannick, it will help recovery if anything!

**SUPERMAN5039** · 11-05-2011, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by yannick35

I am using TRT along with Palatel Rich Plasma injections, and prolotherapy, eating a high protein diet also and fats to repair my ligaments and tendons. I would definitely start HRT that will really help you recover after your surgery. Its like an army the more you have the quicker you will repair and get back on your feet.

I was on androgel gel for about 2 weeks, 148$ per month insurance covers the gel it cost me 33$, i don't want to knock the gel but i have been advise that injections do a far better job, i am on Delatestryl Test E insurance covers it too, 5ml i inject 1ml per week about 7 days, 1cc, cost is 33$ covered by insurance 9$ for 5 injections or 5 weeks.

Who is your insurance?

**SUPERMAN5039** · 11-05-2011, 01:54 PM

I'm confused about the %. If my 50 mg of gel is only 1% how much actual test am I getting per tube?

**Lemonada8** · 11-05-2011, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by SUPERMAN5039

I'm confused about the %. If my 50 mg of gel is only 1% how much actual test am I getting per tube?

50mg of 5g is 1%. So it's saying in the 5g u have 50mg test.
And you only get roughly 9-15% of that anyways so you are not getting 50mg a day more like ~10mg which is about normal production. The injection is 200mg every 2 weeks which rounds out being roughly the same. And it's not the oil that drops the mg of test it's the ester attached so either enthanate or cyponiate

**Times Roman** · 11-05-2011, 11:02 PM

If you can just get you a doc to write you a scrip, i believe costco sells 10ml vials of test cyp for $50. for trt purposes, this should last you 20 weeks.

**yannick35** · 11-06-2011, 08:53 AM

I live in canada my insurance is Industrial ********, they charge a lot of money too for there insurance. As for the gel well i don't know how much you are getting, i went on various TRT forums on the internet and found some mixed reviews about the gel, i personally hate it, applying this everyday, plus i feel that its very slow acting, and most people i have seen after a 6 month on the gel they got very limited results, also gel cost a lot of money compared to injections.

I got a 5ml bottle 5 weeks costing me 9$ after insurance covered the rest, the cost without insurance was 33$ compared to gel 148$.

I inject 1cc= 1ml every 7 to 10 days.

**Fred40** · 11-06-2011, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

If you can just get you a doc to write you a scrip, i believe costco sells 10ml vials of test cyp for $50. for trt purposes, this should last you 20 weeks.

WOW.....fantastic price for test cyp......$10 a month.

**SUPERMAN5039** · 11-06-2011, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

50mg of 5g is 1%. So it's saying in the 5g u have 50mg test.
And you only get roughly 9-15% of that anyways so you are not getting 50mg a day more like ~10mg which is about normal production. The injection is 200mg every 2 weeks which rounds out being roughly the same. And it's not the oil that drops the mg of test it's the ester attached so either enthanate or cyponiate

Thanks that's what I assumed.

**SUPERMAN5039** · 11-07-2011, 01:48 PM

While researching HGH, Tev-Tropin and Omnitrope both state it isn't a good idea to use if you had major surgery. This medication should not be used if you have certain medical conditions. Before using this medicine, consult your doctor or pharmacist if you have: major surgery or trauma. This is listed as a precaution on their sites. I'm having major surgery in Janurary on my neck and then back surgery shortly after that. Should I wait to start it then start it after the surgries or would it be advisable to start this week?

**Lemonada8** · 11-07-2011, 02:13 PM

I would wait to do anything of the sort untill after your surgery.

Another option would be to look into the GH peptides, they help increase natural GH so its not such of a spike of GH it helps keep the natural spikes if GH release as similar as possible.

What kind of major surgery are you having? that would help determine if GH would help or not.

**SUPERMAN5039** · 11-07-2011, 02:32 PM

I'm having a disc repla***ent at C5/6 and a fusion at C6/7. And a fusion at L2/3. Also, I have a mencis tear in right knee.

**SUPERMAN5039** · 11-07-2011, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

I would wait to do anything of the sort untill after your surgery.

Another option would be to look into the GH peptides, they help increase natural GH so its not such of a spike of GH it helps keep the natural spikes if GH release as similar as possible.

What kind of major surgery are you having? that would help determine if GH would help or not.

Are those perscriptions for the peptides?

**yannick35** · 11-07-2011, 04:36 PM

This is a serious surgery, not even sure if prolotherapy could help you on this or not. Once again the problem here is mis information, that leads to confusing, is it good or not, and the lack of knowlege by the people either giving the treatment or doing the surgery.

Its quite amazing that with all our human evolution we are just starting to look into TRT and HRT, my medical doctor as been putting people on TRT for 15 years, which is a very short period of time if you consider that testosterone as been around for so long.

I have been put on TRT for 6 months when my body failed to heal with prolotherapy, that is not a surgery but more of a ligament and tendon treatment therapy. He told me that since my test level where low my body did not heel itself as it should and testosterone would speed the process, he gave me tones of example of how people who been put on the therapy and heeled a lot faster. He is the expert i am not.

For your case i am not sure at all.

**Lemonada8** · 11-07-2011, 05:07 PM

Actually, having low T may help in this case. Estrogen is important in bone mineral density and bone growth, I would wait untill you are somewhat back to a normal life before going on TRT. (just live healthy untill then basically with sustained exercise at low impact and a good diet)

**SUPERMAN5039** · 11-07-2011, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by yannick35

This is a serious surgery, not even sure if prolotherapy could help you on this or not. Once again the problem here is mis information, that leads to confusing, is it good or not, and the lack of knowlege by the people either giving the treatment or doing the surgery.

Its quite amazing that with all our human evolution we are just starting to look into TRT and HRT, my medical doctor as been putting people on TRT for 15 years, which is a very short period of time if you consider that testosterone as been around for so long.

I have been put on TRT for 6 months when my body failed to heal with prolotherapy, that is not a surgery but more of a ligament and tendon treatment therapy. He told me that since my test level where low my body did not heel itself as it should and testosterone would speed the process, he gave me tones of example of how people who been put on the therapy and heeled a lot faster. He is the expert i am not.

For your case i am not sure at all.

I'm continuing on the testosterone as my ortho doc is aware of it and I've had numerous pre-surgery procedures, such as epidurals, nerve blocks and I also had knee surgery for a torn mencuis and acl in my other knee. I have to have surgery on the other knee for a torn mencuis. I haven't started the HGH as I'm still researching it. The two I mentioned are pharm grade and can only be issued with a script. If I hadn't come across the precautions pages on both of their sites I wouldn't even be questioning it. I did want to start before as I know the HGH alongwith the test will help speed my recovery.

**yannick35** · 11-07-2011, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by SUPERMAN5039

I'm continuing on the testosterone as my ortho doc is aware of it and I've had numerous pre-surgery procedures, such as epidurals, nerve blocks and I also had knee surgery for a torn mencuis and acl in my other knee. I have to have surgery on the other knee for a torn mencuis. I haven't started the HGH as I'm still researching it. The two I mentioned are pharm grade and can only be issued with a script. If I hadn't come across the precautions pages on both of their sites I wouldn't even be questioning it. I did want to start before as I know the HGH alongwith the test will help speed my recovery.

My medical doctor did not offer HGH he said that there can only too much of a good thing so 1cc of test E every 10 days is what is required, for a long period of time 6 months. That makes sense because anything that can boost your body and immune system will speed up healing, or even help the body do it when in my case it is not capable of.