Help! What is Restart your System Protocol for Low T, High E 6 months afterNOOBcycle?

[WerewolfBaby]

Please help and respond. Have Lupus, male 34, messed with about 9 weeks of a cycle of Test+Deca to see if would increase my well being and energy in June+July and my body didn't recover I guess because I only did 10 days of 20 mg/Nolvadex PCT and should have done more. Been feeling crappy, my #'s are not good. Been thinking about doing self HRT with running Labs probably through online sites every 3 months but that is a big commitment, though my life was much better on cycle over all, and about two days a week following shot felt like normal again. I should have never ****ed with Deca. I only just started getting some libido back after taking 100 mg of Zinc per day starting last week (So maybe that has lowered my e2 s bit) I have muscular arms and legs at 5'10 3/4" but huge belly at 230 lbs. I have always had a big belly so maybe high Armotization rate e2 conversion always???

I am thinking about trying to get my body better balanced, Higher my natural Test production, lower my e2 to feel better.

What is a normal Reset your system/balls protocol which I would assume would use HCG , AI, and SERM together???

What is the protocol for something like this......I have 30 pills of 20mg Nolvadex handy, Liquidex handy, and awaiting HCG 5000 IU.

I have had many labs done at an anti aging clinic turns out they overcharge and sell gimmicks.

I started taking Zinc 100 mg a day which is high last week but has seemed to help. Today I took a half of a Nolvadex pill so 10 mg, and I am thinking of doing that for about 8 days straight. I also took .25 of Liquidex C E M which I am thinking of doing every 3rd day. I was planning on doing HCG as soon as I get it which should be within a week.....somewhere between 500 iu a week (if I do Test following Crisler type protocol) or maybe more as a restart protocol? Does Crisler or other respected Dr's have? I also got some DIM capsule suppliments today, which along with Zinc intake should help lower my e2 as I am worried about AI's and SERMS lowering my already very damaged libido (function is ok, but desire is mostly gone). I bought 25 mg of Micronized DHEA which I will start taking in a few days once the AI and SERM I just took take effect before I add in an Estrogen precursor right? I will also be getting an OTC called Thyroid Power which should help with Energy and get my throid going a bit, I think without long term effects like some previous Zynthroid use has caused. My Zinc intake per day will then adjust to 86 mg/day fyi.

I am trying to compare the ideas of doing HRT or maybe holding that off, to see if I can get myself feeling OK enough with a ReStart type of protocol....not a life long thing but like see if in 8-12 weeks can I get myself doing better and get my Labs rechecked.

My fasting blood Cortisol is 15.8 on a 4-22 mcg/dl range---please explain this a bit to me, is high in range good or is that bad...Ie stress and inflammation or what?

Thryoid Panel is T3 3.2
t4 1.54
TSH 4.07

Estradiol is 51.4 on a 7.6-42.6 range so this is my immediate concern, then getting my T up.

DHEA is 165.4 very low end of range 160-449 which is common in Lupus patients hence me buying DHEA but also wanting to monitor my E2 with the AI and SERM.

My Total Testosterone has been tested 3 times. Twice in a 241-827 Range it was a Below normal 202 and 212. Then it was 385 in a range of 280-1100 about 13 days later.
Does that mean it is rising a bit finally on it's own or just different Ranges=below normal vs Low normal?

My Dihydro Test is 46.7 on an 11.2-95.5 and I have no idea what this means yet

My SHBG is 28 on a 10-80 range

my Free Test is 9.62 on a 1.9-27 scale so obviously lower than I would like it

My Pregnenolone is a Super High 648 in a 38-350 range. Is that left over high some how from the Deca 6 months ago? or high because an Auto Immune response because I read high is good as Anti Inflammatory? should I be concerned about this at all?

Please give some advise.

Should I be using the Nolva 10 mg per day+Liquidex (going a light .25 mg 2/week to start) + 500-1000 iU HCG per week ok and a slow and steady rebalancer program? Will this restart me?

I think this is safe HRT type program anyway too if I take away the Nolva and add in 100 mg of Test C per week as a light test cycle/possible HRT that I could still maybe quite and recover from after 10 weeks right (and keep HCG going and AI going, and add in the Nolva if I decide HRT is not for me and do this as my last ever cycle.....i know I know, I am up in the air, trying to get answers, trying to be safe, and wanting to feel better)


Please help, provide answers, advise, or point me in a Restart type of prgram that someone might do like in my case after some light AAS abuse. Thanks.

[WerewolfBaby]

I should add, I am poor, partially disabled, and my LH and FSH were not taken which disturbs me

[GotNoBlueMilk]

There is a PCT forum. You should go over there and ask. In HRT we don't stop doing testosterone so we don't do PCT.

[WerewolfBaby]

HRT side seems much more concerned about health so I will leave here as well as I posted in PCT thank you. Since I am considering self HRT, but would like to start a Restart first, and many on HRT decide to try a restart I think some here might help.

I am not an expert and learning as much as I can. &nbsp;<br><br>Over the past two years I have paid out of pocket to see a Rheumy at UCLA that is regarded highly. &nbsp;I am on Plaquenil, and tried Methotrexate for a bit (why I finished my cycle early at his needing so I would clear my liver for 2 months before going on Metho) but the Metho sides sucked bad. &nbsp;

<br><br>I was a very obese child until 6th grade weightlifting and fooball. &nbsp;By 8th grade I was a muscular beast with a hairy chest, bigger than many 10th graders....I post this because maybe GH Issues and Endocryne issues early? &nbsp;I had knee problems that year, Dr. said my muscles grew faster than my bones. &nbsp;I've trained martial arts/MMA at a very high level for most my life but always had a big Gut no matter what (Hi Armotization to e2 plus not great thryoid TSH?)<br><br>About 1 1/2 yrs ago did go to Endo, TSH was 3.86 he put me on Zynthroid (my entire mom's side is on it), My Total Test at that time was 300 once, and later test 512. &nbsp;I later ended up in ER to chest pain, my TSH crashed to something like .4 or something super low, I think that had a lot to do with chest pain as well as heart sack inflammation and anxiety (still not diagnosed, was told I was possibly having a heart attack at 33, I was not).

&nbsp;I went off of Zynthroid....saw a heart specialist, did uphill running on treadmill stress test, he wanted to get my heart rate to 185, I only got it to like 133 he said my heart was great strong and I was still in shape. &nbsp;Everyone thought I was crazy. Than I guess a month later someone at ER&nbsp;hospital&nbsp;must have went over paperwork and finally spotted my ANA! &nbsp;Dr. Greg House was happy. &nbsp;

&nbsp;Later, I went back to Endo, went on .25 Zynthroid for about a month, then went off it again at request from my Rheamotologist and my Reg Dr I see at a free clinic (she was the only one that didn't think me crazy and suggest AI...probobly Poly Myositis or maybe Lupus she always though) &nbsp;. &nbsp;<br>

<br>Anyway, so I know my TSH was a bit not great, as runs on my mom's side. &nbsp;I know my Total Test before my short cycle was once low (300 but then later 512 so Endo wouldn't consider HRT). &nbsp;I did very brief dabbling here and there in the past, but never an entire cycle FYI, and like Androstenodene once, DHEA once, and some other Pro Hormone from GNC that was taking off market (M1 or something 1)&nbsp;<br><br>So anyway, I am thinking of trying to balance and restart my system, though I have some Test C and Sust and want to take it badly to feel a bit better now, I am not sure Self HRT for life is best decision yet. &nbsp;I need to control E2 which I started, which should raise my T.

&nbsp;I am about to get HCG and not sure exactly what to do with that as far as a Restart type protocol. I figure if I try to restart/balance, and doesn't work I can use the Test C (or even rest of the Sustanon 250) I have and start a self HRT program at that point 100-125 mg per week of Test, plus 500 Iu of HCG, plus a little bit of Liquidex (plus the Min and Zinc) to keep e2 in check, w DHEA, as well as this OTC Thyroid power stuff (the main ingrediant gets rave reviews on Web MD) and figure this can help wiout long term effects the zynthroid has....my mom is now on .75 Zynthroid, no better energy, no loss of weight same as I was when on it. &nbsp;Sister bit on awhile, aunts, and Grandma has been on .75 for over 50 yrs I think. &nbsp;<br><br>Towards the end of my 6 weeks I tried Metho, I did have very bad lower rt back internal type pain for a few days so I had my Liver and Kidney enzymes checked and they were ok...because it felt internal not muscular. I have always had some stomach issues which I think Lupus related all along, but IBS and Acid Reflux diagnosed at 18. &nbsp;She started me on Prilosec at this time and upped my Zantac to twice a day. &nbsp;I had stools checked for blood (because after last Metho dose they stayed black for like 6 days opposed to usual 3 from the metho), but came back negative. &nbsp;<br><br>xks...can you please explain my Cortisol number, what that means, and why you think should be higher? &nbsp;GH as in growth hormone ? I have wondered if HGH would be the cure all or kill me, as would increase Auto Immune response I think???<br>

<br>So Pregnenolone is usually not high double like me 6 months after a cycle right? in fact, on HRT forums threads about supplimenting that and DHEA are present, so assuming many are low, not high right? &nbsp;Are most Low T people, also low Pregnenolone???<br><br>JanSz.....I have often wondered if all Wheats, maybe all grains or gluton causes me problems....I have never been a heavy drinker......3 beers once every two weeks maybe....I always new when to stop unlike others and huge lightweight for my size....always wondered if because of maybe bad liver or Allergies to the wheat/Gluton in beer???<br><br>Thank you guys so much,<br><br>For now, Is the 10mg/day of Tomoxifin (planning just for like 8 days, and will keep the 26 other 20mg tabs on hand in case needed or if I test cycle a HRT type dose and go off), plus .25 of Armidex/twice per week ok to lower my e2 (along with the Zinc and Min) and bump my T? &nbsp;Would 1000 iu of HCG each week help me sorta restart when I get it in the next week? &nbsp;I am planning on adding the Thryoid OTC, and the DHEA in a couple of days (want to get anti Estrogen stuff going in my system couple days first right?). &nbsp;Long use AI and SERM scares me, but for a few weeks is ok right and if I decide to use my Test also needed?

&nbsp;Is my current balancing/restart plan OK? &nbsp;IF I take the SERM out and add it 100-125 mg of Test per week I would still be ok as a sort of 10 week low dose HRT testing cycle and decide from there if HRT is for me??? Or should I take 3 months to try and correct self a bit, and then Retest Labs online somehow???? &nbsp;Thanks

Is there a way to test if I have a Growth Hormone problem???

[WerewolfBaby]

Is it normal to Growl/Scream....feel like a Adrenaline Dump for 10 seconds after cumming??? I always have and girls laugh a bit or love it so guessing it's abnormal but I have always done this....and sometimes very uncontrollable.

[WerewolfBaby]

Please help. With my numbers and age should I attempt a restart or do you really think HRT is the way to go? 10 mg day of Nolva plus .25 Liquidex/two times per week, plus Min and Zinc and DHEA...is good for now for a week or two until I get my HCG in correct to lower my e2 and thus raise my T a bit? Then when I get HCG I need to do RESTART protocol with like reg HCG shots and more Nolva.......Or HRT with Test, 500-750 iu of hcg per week (days 5 and 6, or EOD basically...which you think best? I want to keep my sperm count up), keep that amount of AI or up it a bit? and take out the Nolva??? Thanks

[bass]

try the PCT section as GNBM suggested, if not then really you need to see a specialist.

[WerewolfBaby]

Please any advise on Restart protocol using Nolva+Liquidex+HCG is what I need please....I am on three forums, as well as PCT on here and not getting much advise......any appreciated

[APIs]

try the PCT section as GNBM suggested, if not then really you need to see a specialist.

x2. OP you are all over the place with these questions. You need to consult with an Endo regarding your condition.

[WerewolfBaby]

Can I get some Restart Protocol advise using Nolva, Liquidex, and HCG then? My balls are not shrunken.....how much of each of these things and how long for a restart/rebound/normalyzing effect? If you do 250 iu of HCG 2 or maybe 3 times per week on HRT.....how much how often in Restart protocol and will too much hurt your LH/Lid cells?

[bass]

most of us here are not into PCT because we are on TRT for life, and really don't know enough to give you a good advice. keep trying in the PCT forum and try to keep you posts short, long posts scares people away, too much reading! good luck bro.

[JohnnyVegas]

Can I get some Restart Protocol advise using Nolva, Liquidex, and HCG then? My balls are not shrunken.....how much of each of these things and how long for a restart/rebound/normalyzing effect? If you do 250 iu of HCG 2 or maybe 3 times per week on HRT.....how much how often in Restart protocol and will too much hurt your LH/Lid cells?

I know a couple of guys have already said this, but this is the worst place to ask for PCT and Restart protocols. We TRT guys don't do either one of those things. Actually, those two things are the exact opposite of what we are doing.

I also don't recommend working hard to restart your system if you are just going to go on TRT as the TRT will quickly shut you back down...undoing all the work you did to get your system working again. Makes no sense.

If you are going to start TRT, consult with a doc. I don't recommend doing it yourself.

[Mario L]

Can I get some Restart Protocol advise using Nolva, Liquidex, and HCG then? My balls are not shrunken.....how much of each of these things and how long for a restart/rebound/normalyzing effect? If you do 250 iu of HCG 2 or maybe 3 times per week on HRT.....how much how often in Restart protocol and will too much hurt your LH/Lid cells?

The stickys in the PCT forum have examples of PCT using clomid and nolva.

[WerewolfBaby]

alright I am just trying my best to get all the info. thanks for the replies. Some stop TRT or try to stop and try a Restart, which is maybe less likely to work after a couple yrs of TRT HRT but figured some guys on here might know. Also, I did try to go to Anti Aging clinic, did not work out so well, they were a rip off and lied about things on phone, etc, and yet still did not test my GH, FSH, or LH which would be somewhat needed I would think. Also, HRT guys seem more concerned with overall health which I am.

OK, Basic HRT question then.....100-125 mg of Test C seems common, plus 500-750 hcg given in 250 iu doses either EOD, or day 5,6, if injecting on day 7. Then .5 Arimidex EOD or maybe Even Every3rd day would be ok? (I am on Min and Zinc now to start lowering E2 and just stopped drinking out of plastic bottles ALL the TIME for years which I do believe was my main E2 problem...just bought stainless Steel bottles). Does this sound about right for basic HRT? I have one friend Dr. prescribed him 250 mg Test per week which seems high and he only does 200...but he is a 35 yr old pro mma fighter so told him that is probably good for now but might want to recheck and lower a bit when he turns 40. No use or need for Nolva on HRT correct, unless you get a gyno problem/lump etc right? thanks

Did anyone out there have high Pregnenolone numbers? I bet most were low with low T High E right when they finally went on HRT?

[bass]

yes your TRT protocol is good to start with, I'd say a good starting TRT based on my experience and others here is,

60 mgs twice a week, thats total of 120 mgs per week.
0.5 mg AI 12-24 hours after each shot, thats 1 mg per week
hCG 250 iu eod or 300 iu three times a week, thats roughly 900 iu per week

[JD250]

Troll

[WerewolfBaby]

Bass thank you

Troll, r u accusing me? These are very specific numbers, I am a stuntman and have fought MMA against some names, and even talked about my lupus on an MMA radio show......don't call me troll. You have no idea how bad Lupus combined with low T and High E is

I am asking for help, double checking responses etc

[JD250]

My bad, it's just that your posts are all over the place, so much so that it almost appears that you're just screwing with us.

What exactly are your goals with TRT or PCT

[WerewolfBaby]

I want to get more energy and get libido back.....I have been a bit better now doing some of the stuff I have been doing, I know TRT will most likely give me a better quality of life but still pondering the commitment.

A PCT style Reboot/Restart I have been trying to find out about first if I can get my Test levels up and my E2 down, wondering if I can get it up to like TT 450 or so or not, before deciding on HRT. I am tempted to do HRT but have my worries...., or even HCG /AI only no TEST HRT I am curious about.

[bass]

I want to get more energy and get libido back.....I have been a bit better now doing some of the stuff I have been doing, I know TRT will most likely give me a better quality of life but still pondering the commitment.

A PCT style Reboot/Restart I have been trying to find out about first if I can get my Test levels up and my E2 down, wondering if I can get it up to like TT 450 or so or not, before deciding on HRT. I am tempted to do HRT but have my worries...., or even HCG/AI only no TEST HRT I am curious about.

i don't blame you to be cautious, once you are on TRT especially 6 moths or so into it there is no going back. think all about the good things TRT will get you, like you said quality of life, preventing all types of diseases especially cardiovascular, bone and muscle waste. lots of benefits for being on TRT.

[JD250]

I believe there are some sticky threads maybe in the PCT forum that cover a restart scenario.......good call on checking that option first.

[WerewolfBaby]

thanks guys,

Now the question is HCG viles that expired 9/2010 wonder how potent those might still be. Most HRT guys seem to only take 250 iu hcg Every 3rd day, or on days 5,6 if injecting Test day 7. I wonder how much/how often if on an HCG/AI only HRT type program and what the success of those has been?