Trt and hunger¡!!!!!!!¡!¡!

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So ive had 3 shots so far and ive noticed in the past 2days im hungry as hell!! Ive been on acutting diet for 9weeks prior to trt and lost 20lbs so far and ive been fine as far as hunger goes until a couple days ago.. Have read about a couple guys eating more and was curious as to if any of yall have or are experiencing the same thing i am???

Some of u guys who have been on awhile how did it work out for u with diet and hunger? Did u just stay on pre TRT DIET and deal with it or eat more and make good muscle gains and still lose fat or what did u do??

I remember one guy specifically say he ate more and still lost fat so just curious cuz like i said IM HUNGRY! not all the time but earlier than usual and i want to eat a ton of food ..

Thx guys

[fit2bOld]

Great question 405. It is possible to eat more, gain muscle and lose fat. With proper training and nutrition. It is also possible to eat more and gain fat and lose muscle, sit on the couch and eat crap.
It really is a choice you can choose to train hard and eat a balanced diet or not. You get to choose baring a medical condition that suggest otherwise.

At 50 I choose to train hard and eat a good balanced diet. I also choose to enjoy a few extras which put my body fat about 18% but I look good compared to most 50 year old guys

Check ou the diet section lot of good inf0 there

[Mario L]

Good question indeed. I am continuing my pre trt diet and also am hungrier now than before. I am kinda dealing with being a little hungry in-between meals. But it makes me wonder, am I feeding my body enough? Is my body using the calories more efficiently and needs more food. My diet is clean. Egg whites. Long grain brown rice, chicken breast, Spinach, broccoli, almonds, protein shakes and bars. Once a week I have a new york strip. I wonder if I need to up my portions.

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yeh so far rite now im gonna continue my current cutting diet.. i suppose ill see how it goes and then possibly make adjustments.. mario and fit thx for ur responses

has anyone else whos been on awhile got some insight into this??????i was hoping to get a broad spectrum of responses so i could see if there was a pattern...

[double chicken]

Good question indeed. I am continuing my pre trt diet and also am hungrier now than before. I am kinda dealing with being a little hungry in-between meals. But it makes me wonder, am I feeding my body enough? Is my body using the calories more efficiently and needs more food. My diet is clean. Egg whites. Long grain brown rice, chicken breast, Spinach, broccoli, almonds, protein shakes and bars. Once a week I have a new york strip. I wonder if I need to up my portions.

If you are eating that 'clean' you could eat more til your not hungry. The problem occurs when you are not eating clean and increase the intake.

[flatscat]

^^^^^^ this. And - what your goals are - do not starve yourself -

[bass]

i agree with all of the above. for me i am constantly changing my diet but keep it clean, that the key "clean" and of course despite my joints pain I work my ass off!

[JohnnyVegas]

I lost fat despite eating more (although cleaner) after I started TRT. However, I wish I would have worked hard in the beginning to lose the BF.

I follow a structured diet, so I don't worry about hunger. I eat when I am supposed to eat.

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thx guys

yeh the fanatic in me wont let me modify diet until i get a better "feel" of how my body is responding to the test.. i believe my diet is about as clean as i can get it.. am looking forward to seeing some results..

[Brohim]

Remember test will help you build muscle but not burn fat. So if you workout hard your body will build muscle (faster rate of protein synthesis than you had before) and it will tell you your hungry because it want's to feed your newly created muscle.

So like other's said eat clean sources of lean protein (tuna, chicken, turkey, etc.) and complex carb's. You still need to not overeat and lay of the junk food. Get a nice nutrition and workout program and you will build muscle and burn off fat.

Something like weight's 3 times a week and cardio everyday for 20-60 minutes. You don't need to run at full speed or anything but something as simple as watching a TV program while setting a treadmill on an incline and walking w/ a speed at 3.2 or so. It will keep your heart rate at 60-70% of max which is fat burn mode. Also a fantastic book to read is Tom Venuto feed the muscle burn the fat. Buy that for yourself as a Christmas present.

[zaggahamma]

i've never noticed any change in appetite my whole life let alone trt

only thing i ever notice is i get hungrier the less active i am...90% of the time, my caloric intake is higher on non gym days

[flatscat]

]Remember test will help you build muscle but not burn fat.[/B] So if you workout hard your body will build muscle (faster rate of protein synthesis than you had before) and it will tell you your hungry because it want's to feed your newly created muscle.

So like other's said eat clean sources of lean protein (tuna, chicken, turkey, etc.) and complex carb's. You still need to not overeat and lay of the junk food. Get a nice nutrition and workout program and you will build muscle and burn off fat.

Something like weight's 3 times a week and cardio everyday for 20-60 minutes. You don't need to run at full speed but something as simple as watching a TV program while setting a treadmill on an incline and walking w/ a speed at 3.2 or so. It will keep your heart rate at 60-70% of max which is fat burn mode. Also a fantastic book to read is Tom Venuto feed the muscle burn the fat. Buy that for yourself as a Christmas present.

not sure under the right environment that I agree with this - not a magic pill for sure - but with the right macros and your body's ability to process carbs more efficiently with higher test levels, this statement might not be totally correct in my opinion

[zaggahamma]

agree with flats....i'm not sure how but even the literature states that testosterone DISTRIBUTES fat in men so maybe this distribution helps get rid of it? and i can attest that i LOST FAT when i went on TRT

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not sure under the right environment that I agree with this - not a magic pill for sure - but with the right macros and your body's ability to process carbs more efficiently with higher test levels, this statement might not be totally correct in my opinion

well ive been on a cutting diet for 10 weeks and lost 20 lbs.. this was started prior to TRT.. only been on TRT 2 weeks.. my starting bf was 21.9% and now its down to 13.8%(i am aware the exact bf% may be off but the % lost i believe to be accurate)... so ive had great results with the diet.. wondering if macros will need to change... i realize itll take time to see how the current macros work with TRT program...

diet is based on LBM.. roughly 2150cals/300g pro/100g carb/55g fat 59%/19%/23%

process carbs more efficiently?

[yannick35]

I was very hungry at the beginning too say the first two weeks but now everything is back to normal. I disagree that testosterone will not make you burn fat, its simply not true, my medical doctor as put a lot of is patience on TRT for the last 15 years now, he said that the effect takes 3 months but the end results are amazing, testosterone will burn fat and will build muscles even if the patient does not even train and diet.

I have seen the study in is office when they put 15 people in there 40 to mid 50 and gave them 200mg to 250mg of testosterone per week, they where given a basic diet to follow but still the diet had 3000 calories, most expert say that if you want to cut weight you need to go as low as 2000 calories per day. Of course a calorie is not a calorie, sugar vs protein vs fat and food choices will make a big difference.

Theses people hate normal, they did not drink alcohol or smoked but the best part is they did not exercises at all, at the end of the 12 weeks they had gained an average of 12 pounds of muscles, and lose some fat in the process. Now if this is not a magic pill i wonder what it is.

So i can only imagine what TRT can do to a person that gets on a good clean diet and trains with weights. For me before i got on TRT losing weight was mission impossible, For the last few years accumulation on fat on the belly was sick, my food intake was the same as it had always been. To lose 14 pounds in 3 months i had to suffer with a 1000 calorie per day diet and various bouts of intermittent fasting. Also i was low carbing at that point too.

[flatscat]

well ive been on a cutting diet for 10 weeks and lost 20 lbs.. this was started prior to TRT.. only been on TRT 2 weeks.. my starting bf was 21.9% and now its down to 13.8%(i am aware the exact bf% may be off but the % lost i believe to be accurate)... so ive had great results with the diet.. wondering if macros will need to change... i realize itll take time to see how the current macros work with TRT program...

diet is based on LBM.. roughly 2150cals/300g pro/100g carb/55g fat 59%/19%/23%

process carbs more efficiently?

Please let me restate:

While I believe testosterone increases the oxidation rate of the body's ability to break down carbs, lower E2 levels may be the better answer. But, no doubt, higher t levels coupled with lower E2 levels almost definitely increase oxidation of carbs.

I believe this (lower t levels and higher E2 levels) is one of the main reasons for the overwhelming obesity rates in our young folks going through and after puberty these days (of course also and in conjunction with the diet and amount of activity these days - so many hormones and chemicals in the standard American diet - and increase of inactivity).

[JohnnyVegas]

well ive been on a cutting diet for 10 weeks and lost 20 lbs.. this was started prior to TRT.. only been on TRT 2 weeks.. my starting bf was 21.9% and now its down to 13.8%(i am aware the exact bf% may be off but the % lost i believe to be accurate)... so ive had great results with the diet.. wondering if macros will need to change... i realize itll take time to see how the current macros work with TRT program...

Great job man. I have been on TRT for almost a year and switched to a 60/20/20 diet a few months ago with solid results. I do high protein so I can keep my protein at 205 grams while still hitting my low 1,800 calorie goal. Muscle keeps slowly going up and fat keeps coming down.

[flatscat]

Amen - 12 weeks and 8% in bf is incredible.

[bass]

Please let me restate:

While I believe testosterone increases the oxidation rate of the body's ability to break down carbs, lower E2 levels may be the better answer. But, no doubt, higher t levels coupled with lower E2 levels almost definitely increase oxidation of carbs.

I believe this (lower t levels and higher E2 levels) is one of the main reasons for the overwhelming obesity rates in our young folks going through and after puberty these days (of course also and in conjunction with the diet and amount of activity these days - so many hormones and chemicals in the standard American diet - and increase of inactivity).

i agree with this statement! just think, Europeans smoke, eat all day, fats, breads, chips... you name it! but most are in good shape and obesity is not even an issue there. so what is the difference between them and us? processed food vs. organic foods! proceed food (chemicals as Flats stated) will screw up your hormones and you end up with low T and high e2, and obesity thereafter!

[--->>405<<---]

Please let me restate:

While I believe testosterone increases the oxidation rate of the body's ability to break down carbs, lower E2 levels may be the better answer. But, no doubt, higher t levels coupled with lower E2 levels almost definitely increase oxidation of carbs.

I believe this (lower t levels and higher E2 levels) is one of the main reasons for the overwhelming obesity rates in our young folks going through and after puberty these days (of course also and in conjunction with the diet and amount of activity these days - so many hormones and chemicals in the standard American diet - and increase of inactivity).

im not questioning u just curious as to this oxidation of carbs = better fatloss environment?? like they rnt stored as fat as often??

[--->>405<<---]

i agree with this statement! just think, Europeans smoke, eat all day, fats, breads, chips... you name it! but most are in good shape and obesity is not even an issue there. so what is the difference between them and us? processed food vs. organic foods! proceed food (chemicals as Flats stated) will screw up your hormones and you end up with low T and high e2, and obesity thereafter!

yeh the food makers and farmers making more money at the cost of our health!WTF!!

[flatscat]

Just creates a better environment especially in a low Carb or ketosis environment to burn more fat because the carbs are not being converted and stored. Also IMO one of the reasons why you can do a clean bulk and add mass on a lower Carb diet while losing weight/bf.

[--->>405<<---]

GOOD DEAL MAN..i like better environments

[flatscat]

Funny

[Brohim]

not sure under the right environment that I agree with this - not a magic pill for sure - but with the right macros and your body's ability to process carbs more efficiently with higher test levels, this statement might not be totally correct in my opinion

I was talking about a healthy person. Of course if you are a 50lbs overweight with sky rocketed e2 level's and you get on hrt and your test goes up and e2 goes down you will lose bodyfat.

But you will eventually level out and bodyfat will now follow the rules of every other person which is calories in and calories out.

[yannick35]

Just creates a better environment especially in a low Carb or ketosis environment to burn more fat because the carbs are not being converted and stored. Also IMO one of the reasons why you can do a clean bulk and add mass on a lower Carb diet while losing weight/bf.

I have put many people on low carb, did it myself and was in ketosis for 3 months, the fat burning effect is amazing, but the muscle loss is too, while on ketosis i suffered all the side effects, light headed, low energy, no muscle pumps, major issues recuperating after a workout due to all that lactic acid in the body. Some people do wonders on low carb, but this is just not for me.

[fit2bOld]

i agree with this statement! just think, Europeans smoke, eat all day, fats, breads, chips... you name it! but most are in good shape and obesity is not even an issue there. so what is the difference between them and us? processed food vs. organic foods! proceed food (chemicals as Flats stated) will screw up your hormones and you end up with low T and high e2, and obesity thereafter!

When food shopping in europe most everything is fresh, they don't have aisles of processed frozen bull$hit to kill you and make you fat.

[JohnnyVegas]

When food shopping in europe most everything is fresh, they don't have aisles of processed frozen bull$hit to kill you and make you fat.

Now that I only eat a handful of fresh things, I basically get to avoid almost the entire grocery store. I wonder why they have they HUGE stores when we can all live well on chicken, fish, eggs, brown rice, oatmeal, broccoli, asparagus, almonds, fruit and cottage cheese.

[Brohim]

Europeans walk everywhere too. Americans will bitch about not finding a parking space 2 feet from the front door.

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were fat lazy and spoiled ... isnt it great!

[zaggahamma]

were fat lazy and spoiled ... isnt it great!

i'll answer that when i'm done with this corned beef n swiss

[--->>405<<---]

[QUOTE=Brohim;5825033]Europeans walk everywhere too. Americans will bitch about not finding a parking space 2 feet from the front door.[/QUOTE

u know its funny too ive caught myself circling the parking lot cuz the spaces available were "too far away" as in 150ft from the door .. so i circle and circle until i finally see one open up thats 90 feet from the door.. man that 60 feet sure was worth 5 minutes of circling LOL

[bass]

i'll answer that when i'm done with this corned beef n swiss

are you done yet?

[Mario L]

[QUOTE=--->>405<<---;5825069]

Europeans walk everywhere too. Americans will bitch about not finding a parking space 2 feet from the front door.[/QUOTE

u know its funny too ive caught myself circling the parking lot cuz the spaces available were "too far away" as in 150ft from the door .. so i circle and circle until i finally see one open up thats 90 feet from the door.. man that 60 feet sure was worth 5 minutes of circling LOL

What's even funnier is that people will walk around a mall for hours with shopping bags and still complain about walking an extra 300 ft to the mall entrance.

[zaggahamma]

are you done yet?

LOL...
was for a minute but shoveling again....lil better this time...oatmeal n raisins

[SEOINAGE]

well ive been on a cutting diet for 10 weeks and lost 20 lbs.. this was started prior to TRT.. only been on TRT 2 weeks.. my starting bf was 21.9% and now its down to 13.8%(i am aware the exact bf% may be off but the % lost i believe to be accurate)... so ive had great results with the diet.. wondering if macros will need to change... i realize itll take time to see how the current macros work with TRT program...

diet is based on LBM.. roughly 2150cals/300g pro/100g carb/55g fat 59%/19%/23%

process carbs more efficiently?

That's insane if that is accurate. I've lost about 12 lbs and gone from 21% to 18.5%, but i dunno if mine is even that accurate either. if you were 220 and 21.9 and got down to 200 and 13.8, that is going from 171.82 lbm to 172.4 lbm, basically all you lost was fat, where I am losing muscle in my case, of course my test levels are crappy, no hrt yet. But it looks like you did most of that before trt, good work.

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That's insane if that is accurate. I've lost about 12 lbs and gone from 21% to 18.5%, but i dunno if mine is even that accurate either. if you were 220 and 21.9 and got down to 200 and 13.8, that is going from 171.82 lbm to 172.4 lbm, basically all you lost was fat, where I am losing muscle in my case, of course my test levels are crappy, no hrt yet. But it looks like you did most of that before trt, good work.

Yeh seoinage i just started TRT 2weeks ago yesterday my starting weight was 213 and i currently weigh 193... But its not BS about % drops... Now my wife is doing the calipers but she knows what shes doing... Ive got a thread in nutrition section where we determined shes fairly accurate by comparing her bf to the bod pod measurement i got... Now i am at 13.8% but like i said thats prob a bit low however the % droppd i feel is accurate.. I weigh in and get bf chekd every sunday am...

High protein is wat i attribute hanging on to LBM... Ive always been a "thick" build and people always askd me about lifting even when all i was doing was drinking beer and doing other stuff

I am very pleased with results so far and lookn forward to seeing how it goes now that i have the rite amt of test running thru my veins

Diet wise i have only had 2 cheat meals in 72 days... So ive been strict .. And i put my diet together with the help of a smart guy over in the diet section...

Thx again man ...

[InternalFire]

Ok bringing this from the past back to the Present

I was going to start my thread regards the exact same issue, but I found this, so...

I am also dealing with severe hunger since past few weeks, 2000kcal diet doesnt cut any more, I can easily down 5000-6000 kcal a day to satisfy my hunger, or more to say "HANGER" , and I still feel like loosing BF%, veins on arms biceps forearms, delts, and thighs are more prominent than ever...

Anybody wanna share their own experience while on TRT/Cycle?

[zaggahamma]

unless its crap food i get full easy and on trt for 10 years

if i eat a piece of fish fuggitaboutit.....filled up with like 4oz no lie

thats just me so thought i´d share

i average 2500/day but its not a great diet

my .02

[InternalFire]

I mean, I would find myself gobbling nuts beef pork bacon cuts chicken cheese rice potato and rice effortlessly, of course I would throw in some delicious ice cream on top and few bits of processed sugars which I cannot explain why I do that, but I had just turned in to all food shredding machine... I almost see this as a problem now. if I ate junk-food I see no limit, Im trying to consume more steamed greens and less insulin spiking foods to control the hunger but regardless of that I feel empty and starving real soon after again and again... there, one go complain cant eat enough, world turns around and bites you