Lab Corp blood work range by age?

**zaggahamma** · 01-11-2012, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by lvs

My baseline started at 288 (250-1100), and after 6-weeks of 200mg/eow and on the 14th day, before the injection was 179.

gotchu

thanks

good info

**txnhb** · 01-11-2012, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by lvs

My baseline started at 288 (250-1100), and after 6-weeks of 200mg/eow and on the 14th day, before the injection was 179.

Was that after being on a eow protocol for awhile or the first time after injecting?

**lvs** · 01-11-2012, 10:27 PM

I was started on 100mg/eow for 10-weeks prior to that before being tested with roughly the same results. However, if I remember correctly I still had higher test levels, barely, on 100mg eow than at 200mg/eow. At least in my case the more exogenous test on an eow schedule seem to cause more HPTA shutdown and lower overall test levels after 2 weeks. These are my experiences only and don't necessarily mean you will experience the same. Based on half-life and the many folks sharing their experiences about eow injections would indicate this type of result. I was under the care of my GP and after my test levels came back lower on 200mg/eow than 100mg/eow referred me to an endo.

I would in no way advise you to do anything other than following your doctors recommendation. I would be very interested in the results you obtain from eow injections, however, I wasted a great deal of time and experienced some of the up/down symptoms of less than optimal dosing.

Originally Posted by txnhb

Was that after being on a eow protocol for awhile or the first time after injecting?

**zaggahamma** · 01-12-2012, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by lvs

I was started on 100mg/eow for 10-weeks prior to that before being tested with roughly the same results. However, if I remember correctly I still had higher test levels, barely, on 100mg eow than at 200mg/eow. At least in my case the more exogenous test on an eow schedule seem to cause more HPTA shutdown and lower overall test levels after 2 weeks. These are my experiences only and don't necessarily mean you will experience the same. Based on half-life and the many folks sharing their experiences about eow injections would indicate this type of result. I was under the care of my GP and after my test levels came back lower on 200mg/eow than 100mg/eow referred me to an endo.

I would in no way advise you to do anything other than following your doctors recommendation. I would be very interested in the results you obtain from eow injections, however, I wasted a great deal of time and experienced some of the up/down symptoms of less than optimal dosing.

also very interesting

**txnhb** · 01-23-2012, 02:41 PM

Ok so here's the update...got my second injection today of 200mg test cyp, I'm doing eow and the doctor has me going into the office for injections. I'm not sure if you guys would like to look at my full blood panel or not. If so I will post it.

My test before starting injections was 344 ng/dl in a range of 348-1197.

Had them add Estradiol (ultra sensitive) which was 15 pg/ml in a range of 10-40.

I had started another post asking about water retention and said I would update this post with the numbers.

These numbers were before starting TRT. I'll draw blood in another month I guess to track things. Any thoughts?

**zaggahamma** · 01-23-2012, 06:15 PM

post the bloodwork otherwise not much of an update just stating you had you second shot and no mention of anything you may have noticed

**txnhb** · 03-26-2012, 10:35 AM

So my latest blood work shows my total test at 269. It actually is lower than before starting TRT. I had gotten a script and ever since then I switched to 1 cc once a week. I had injected on a Sunday and drew blood 8 days later. Is this common?? I have an appointment later this afternoon.

**txnhb** · 03-26-2012, 10:43 AM

And no I'm not on an AI.

**zaggahamma** · 03-26-2012, 12:28 PM

I don't think its common to check blood 8 days out for one but sounds a little low most weekly's draw on day 6 so your level is going to be hard to work with...HOW DO U FEEL

**txnhb** · 03-26-2012, 01:46 PM

I started lifting and 2 days after each body part I feel like I've been hit by a truck. Feels like I tore my muscles down and almost like achy symptoms like the flu. I'm a student so days I don't have class I set my alarm but since I don't have to be up necessarily I usually end up actually waking up hours after my alarm time was set.
I was thinking maybe it is converting to estrogen. I have to bring that up to see what my doctor thinks.

**zaggahamma** · 03-26-2012, 01:50 PM

if you just starting lifting you should start off super slow anyway

most of us on trt will need an ai so you are likely converting some to estro

you should check that asap and adjust accordingly...maybe next bloods draw day 6 (the day before your shot)

**txnhb** · 03-26-2012, 04:35 PM

Got referred to a Urologist

**txnhb** · 04-16-2012, 06:44 PM

Ok guys so the latest update is that I went to an Endocrinologist after the urologist said this isn't something he deals with. My endo drew blood for LH FSH and prolactin. Here are the numbers.

My primary last drew my testosterone which is why she referred me out. It was at 269 on treatment. I had actually switched from every other week on 200mg Test Cyp to every week at 100mg and these were my numbers after doing that. it was 8 days after a 100mg injection.
FSH was 1.1 mIU/mL range 1.4-18.1
LH 1.1 mIU/mL range 1.5-9.3
prolactin 3.6 range 2.1-17.7

He said it looks like secondary hypogonadism. I asked if this was something I would have to be on for the rest of my life and he said well let's not get ahead of ourselves and be optimistic.

He wants to draw my testosterone again tomorrow at 8 a.m. and if it is low he wants to start me on Test E 200mg every other week. He originally wanted me to try the gel but I said it was a hassle to have to apply every day at the same time and worry about rubbing it on someone else etc so he said we can do the injections. However, I want to make it clear to him after the results from the test levels come back that I was already put on this protocol and since it wasn't raising my test levels which is why I was referred out in the first place we should try something different.

What do you guys think?

**zaggahamma** · 04-16-2012, 07:04 PM

I think u get to test your test levels this time instead of just lh/fsh and prolactin...

**txnhb** · 04-16-2012, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

I think u get to test your test levels this time instead of just lh/fsh and prolactin...

It was already confirmed low and my appointment when he drew for those was around 4 p.m. so that's why he didn't draw that day I guess but just wants to confirm it is still low again I guess. He mentioned possibly needing an MRI to see how my pituitary gland is, I guess to rule out a tumor or something.

**EZ E** · 04-16-2012, 07:21 PM

If you inject 1x/week, how did you go 8 days between injections? This doctor is testing your LH/FSH only after you have been on Test C for months and says "it looks like secondary hypogonadism"? Did you tel him you are on test? Of course your LH/FSH are going to be low, you are shutdown and with no HCG these numbers are expected to be low. He wants to draw at 8AM..why? Test levels are higher in the morning for people who have natural test production. If you are on TRT, your levels only fluctuate as the test wears off and as it peaks after an injection? Sounds like this doc doesn't know you are already on TRT or is an idiot.

**txnhb** · 04-16-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by EZ E

If you inject 1x/week, how did you go 8 days between injections? This doctor is testing your LH/FSH only after you have been on Test C for months and says "it looks like secondary hypogonadism"? Did you tel him you are on test? Of course your LH/FSH are going to be low, you are shutdown and with no HCG these numbers are expected to be low. He wants to draw at 8AM..why? Test levels are higher in the morning for people who have natural test production. If you are on TRT, your levels only fluctuate as the test wears off and as it peaks after an injection? Sounds like this doc doesn't know you are already on TRT or is an idiot.

Since I was going to be tested I didn't want to inject the night before having blood drawn, so I missed that day. Yes he knew I was on test and said it is also probably low due to me being on test in the first place. I had been off for 3 1/2 weeks though when I had this appointment. As far as the drawing at 8 a.m. it beats me. I guess he want's to see how high my levels actually get???? LOL "or is an idiot" I dunno man he's trying to pick up where this doctor left off. He has all the blood work from the previous doctor so I have no idea what's going on in his head.

**EZ E** · 04-18-2012, 07:07 PM

Well good luck. Just remember that, unfortunately, most docs are idiots when it comes to this. If you not happy with the doc keep looking. Ideally you want to self inject weekly with enough test to keep you in the upper range, get a prescription for HCG and an AI (AI isn't as important because you can get that online or using 'research chemicals'). Eventually you will find a good doc. Also if insurance isn't going to cover this for you, TRT clinics can be a good alternative. Just shop around because they can vary a huge amount in cost.

**txnhb** · 04-23-2012, 03:30 PM

Ok so the new blood work is here and it is as follows.
Total testosterone 312. Range 221.00-810.00

FSH = 3.1. Range 1.4-18.1
LH = 5.5. range 1.5-9.3

He uses another "in house" lab. I don't know why their ranges for test are that low.

He was going to put me on Testosterone E 200mg every other week but I said whoa whoa whoa that's why I was referred here in the first place because I was on that plan and it wasn't working. He didn't want to budge but finally gave in and bumped it to 300mg every other week.

So I'm gonna give it a try with this guy and see how it goes. I'm probably going to do it myself 150mg every week. He wants to draw blood again in 7 weeks. I'll see where my levels are at then. He was talking about getting me into the 400's. What a conservative douche. I said man I'm 29 I want to be at least 800. He said you don't need to be there. This guy sucks.

**Brohim** · 04-23-2012, 07:29 PM

Bro you are spinning your wheels with this guy. The halflife if cyp is 7 freaking day's. 7. So every 14 day's won't do jack for you. If I were you I would ask for self injection's and inject your doctor approved dose each week. That would be your best bet. That is what 90% of guy's here do.

**txnhb** · 04-23-2012, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Brohim

Bro you are spinning your wheels with this guy. The halflife if cyp is 7 freaking day's. 7. So every 14 day's won't do jack for you. If I were you I would ask for self injection's and inject your doctor approved dose each week. That would be your best bet. That is what 90% of guy's here do.

I appreciate the advice Brohim. I actually did get a script and since it's prescribed at 300mg every other week I wanna do 150mg every week instead. My general practitioner had me at 200mg every other week and I was self injecting 100mg every week instead however I still ended up being low and so she referred me to the endocrinologist. I hope that going the 150 every week will now put me in the upper normal range.

**zaggahamma** · 04-24-2012, 07:36 AM

i see testing for e2 was ignored...

get on that...

if you self inject at home you can split your dose and run 125 or 150(LIKE YOUR SAYING)... a tad high TO START, imo....(150)

maybe that 300 number is because you did bloodwork on day 13 from last shot? dont see where you stated that?

6th day will give a good trough figure....if you did blood on day 6 from shot and only 300 then i'd want to bump the dose up slightly...i agree with you 800 would be a good target..but dont forget to monitor how u feel/improvements/gains/unwanted sides, etc.

**txnhb** · 04-24-2012, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by jpkman

i see testing for e2 was ignored...

get on that...

if you self inject at home you can split your dose and run 125 or 150(LIKE YOUR SAYING)... a tad high TO START, imo....(150)

maybe that 300 number is because you did bloodwork on day 13 from last shot? dont see where you stated that?

6th day will give a good trough figure....if you did blood on day 6 from shot and only 300 then i'd want to bump the dose up slightly...i agree with you 800 would be a good target..but dont forget to monitor how u feel/improvements/gains/unwanted sides, etc.

Jpkman maybe I should just start another thread so everything is consolidated. I was originally put on 200mg very other week. Convinced the doc to let me self inject. I was doing 100mg every week. I had injected on a Sunday and 8 days later had blood drawn. Since I drew blood on a Monday I skipped the Sunday Injection and that's why it was on the 8th day. So blood work came back lower than when I started and was referred out.
I know kinda strange? You would think even if it was day 8 I should still be somewhere higher than where I was. Anyhow I had got a baseline E2 and before I started I was at 10. These doctors didn't feel the need to check it again. There definitely is a lack of knowledge with these doctors here for testosterone therapy .

**zaggahamma** · 04-24-2012, 08:12 AM

no no no
keep to a single thread well two in your case...maybe close one?

anyway, no day 8 test isnt too strange...actually got you a better prescription?

but you actually CANT know how high you were on day 4 (peak) or day 6(trough) just from seeing your day 8 results...make sense?

how r u feeling since starting? anything?

you will want to test your e2 soon bro...before you keep changing your dose so you can know how your estro reacts to whatever dose youve been on for a month

**kelkel** · 04-24-2012, 08:15 AM

Lack of knowledge is an understatement. I swear some doc's seem to think that just giving a bigger dose will make it last longer.

**txnhb** · 04-24-2012, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by jpkman

no no no
keep to a single thread well two in your case...maybe close one?

anyway, no day 8 test isnt too strange...actually got you a better prescription?

but you actually CANT know how high you were on day 4 (peak) or day 6(trough) just from seeing your day 8 results...make sense?

how r u feeling since starting? anything?

you will want to test your e2 soon bro...before you keep changing your dose so you can know how your estro reacts to whatever dose youve been on for a month

Well yesterday was my first day back on. Maybe it was psychosomatic but I felt like a little pep in my step within a couple of hours. I had crazy dreams last night also. I noticed the same thing the first time I started also.
What I was wondering is if you take a break and start back on again does it still take the 4 weeks to take effect like when first starting or does our bodies recognize it right away.
Since day 8 I was pretty low I am also wondering if I would benefit from the twice a week injection that some guys on here do for more stable levels. I guess it would be a lot of blood draw to figure this stuff out. (just thinking out loud).

**zaggahamma** · 04-24-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by txnhb

Well yesterday was my first day back on. Maybe it was psychosomatic but I felt like a little pep in my step within a couple of hours. I had crazy dreams last night also. I noticed the same thing the first time I started also.
What I was wondering is if you take a break and start back on again does it still take the 4 weeks to take effect like when first starting or does our bodies recognize it right away.
Since day 8 I was pretty low I am also wondering if I would benefit from the twice a week injection that some guys on here do for more stable levels. I guess it would be a lot of blood draw to figure this stuff out. (just thinking out loud).

imo...stick with once a week for a month or two so you will have something constant then if you try twice a week injects like some of the guys here are liking then you can at least know for sure if anything changed

**txnhb** · 04-24-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by jpkman

imo...stick with once a week for a month or two so you will have something constant then if you try twice a week injects like some of the guys here are liking then you can at least know for sure if anything changed

Good idea.

**steroid.com 1** · 04-24-2012, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by txnhb

Well yesterday was my first day back on. Maybe it was psychosomatic but I felt like a little pep in my step within a couple of hours. I had crazy dreams last night also. I noticed the same thing the first time I started also.
What I was wondering is if you take a break and start back on again does it still take the 4 weeks to take effect like when first starting or does our bodies recognize it right away.
Since day 8 I was pretty low I am also wondering if I would benefit from the twice a week injection that some guys on here do for more stable levels. I guess it would be a lot of blood draw to figure this stuff out. (just thinking out loud).

It's not likely that you would feel much the same day even on a start-up...serum levels take a little longer than that to elevate after the injection.

Consider that Test Cyp generally has a peak serum level about 36 hours after the injection.

You would benefit from two injections per week and it will/should help to keep E2 levels more linear but I think following J's advice is wise as well.

**txnhb** · 05-06-2012, 06:09 PM

Ok so I've been on 150mg every week and tomorrow starts week 3. I've been eating and working out like someone in their off season. Is it unusual to see about a 10 pound weight gain in such a short period? How will I know if it's water? My next blood work isn't for another 3 weeks or so. I'm going to make sure they include E2 ultra sensitive in the test.

**freshmaker** · 05-06-2012, 10:53 PM

I had that about a month in. Still have it.

**txnhb** · 05-06-2012, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by freshmaker

I had that about a month in. Still have it.

The weight gain and you've stayed at that weight u mean?

**txnhb** · 10-23-2012, 10:28 AM

Update.
I have new blood work on my new protocol. Finally on my 6th day after injecting 200mg test cyp I came back at 898 ng/dL in a range of 348-1197. My new protocol is 200mg every week. And my E2 went from 15 up to 35.9 pg/dL. The lab has the normal range set from 7.6-42.6 ng/dL.
I have added anastrozol at 1/4 of 1 pill. I will see if this lowers my E2 levels. What are some of the signs and symptoms of high estradiol?

**txnhb** · 10-24-2012, 09:04 PM

Does that sound ok to anybody? Starting the AI inhibitor that is and 1/4 pill? A question I have is. When taking an AI does your total test raise even more? Would it theoretically do that since it is inhibiting the aromatase receptor?

**xcraider37** · 10-24-2012, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by txnhb

Does that sound ok to anybody? Starting the AI inhibitor that is and 1/4 pill? A question I have is. When taking an AI does your total test raise even more? Would it theoretically do that since it is inhibiting the aromatase receptor?

Your E2 is not that high, many guys on this site do not like the E2 test you had. I guarantee if you do the lapcorp sensitive you will show E2 level much lower. Becareful with the adex it can take you from relatively high numbers to very low in no time.