Can I mix in something with my prescribed test cyp?

[tacos]

Hello. Im 36 years of age and was surprised when my doctor said I had a testosterone level of 210. He said thats good if you are 80 years old. Anyway, Im loving the 2 shots a month of cyp 400 mgs. What I wanna do and wondering if he will spot it or what it could affect. Is I wanna mix in some EQ 300 with it. Since EQ doesn't raise your test levels. Any help/advice would be appreciated. If he spotted it I guess I could just tell him what I've done as he is pretty cool. But, this might piss him off. I would be running the eq at 5 to 600 mg a week. Thank you for your time.

[kelkel]

First, glad your feeling better and welcome to the site. Question, are you doing 200mg every two weeks or is your doctor giving you 400mg every two weeks? 200mg per week is pretty much the high end dosage for TRT. You would do far better with a lesser amount injected more frequently which would allow you to keep more stable serum levels and avoid a roller coaster effect. Are you self injecting or going to the doc's office, which may explain the two week protocol? Are you on HCG , an AI? Have you had BW done since starting this protocol at those levels? What is your E2 level? All this info is important. Your doc may not be as up on TRT as you may think.....

Sorry for all the questions but more info is needed before I would even hazard giving my opinion on stacking. Follow up and with your answers as well as posting some BW with ranges if possible. You will get some very good answers from the members here. Also, read all the stickies at the top of the forum. Valuable educational info there.

Again, welcome.

[Times Roman]

Welcome to the board mate!

Regardless of whether you are on trt or not, before cycle advice, please post the rest of your stats:

Age = 36
height?
weight?
bodyfat%
knowledge of nutrition
years experience lifting (this time)

Answer those, and we'll see what we can do to answer your question.

Cheers!
---Roman

[tacos]

He suggested that I come in and get the shots and next time if ehre is a next time. He would prescribe me for take home. I've only started the test about a month ago. Thats when i went in and did all the blood work and it came back that I was super low. He injected me with 2cc's the first day I was there. When I went back to get my results. They gave me another shot of 2cc's of 200 Test Cyp. I go back every 2 weeks. He hasn't said anything to me about HCG . Although, I would like to have that. I have been reading up on it. But, if he hasn't said anything about it. I don't think he will know much about it or can't do it. I thought about ordering me some Liquidex myself. Or I can ask him about it also. I don't know much as you can tell. I'm learning. But, I want to take full advantage of this. My test levels were 210 im pretty sure thats what he said. He said that we need to really get you up and thats about it. I appreciate your time and any advice you can give me.

[tacos]

Age 36 6 foot 183. Don't know my bodyfat. But, It can't be awful. I'll have to have that checked. I know how to diet. Although, Im not currently on a strict one. I don't eat bad though. I take in plenty of protein. And I try to drink 3 to 4 shakes a day as well. I have been in the gym for 3 years now. I was recommended to go to this guy for low test. I would have never thought my test levels would be anywhere near that low.

[tacos]

One other thing that I forgot to mention. I have a 40 dollar co pay each time I have a doctor visit. Well, by him not prescribing me the med. I have to go have these shots every 2 weeks. Do I have to pay a co pay each time? Anyone know? A friend said its included with my last doctor visit but, i don't know? If thats the case he will have to go ahead prescribe it. Because that would be a rip off in my book.

[kelkel]

Ok, you need to get your next bloodwork as recommended in the stickies. See your doc prepared with your questions regarding HCG , an AI as well as home injecting at a reasonable level, maybe 100 mg per week to start. A lot of guys here split their doses to every 3.5 days to keep even more stable serum levels. Print what you need from the stickies or Crislers site. Your doc can prescribe both hcg and the AI. If you can educate him and work together on this fine, if not it's time to find another doctor. Do not let him dismiss HCG as not needed. Again, read and re-read the stickies.

[tacos]

Ok thank you kelkel. I appreciate your help. Im not supposed to see him again until March though. You think I should call and see if I can schedule another appointment or ask if I can actually see him when I go in to have my shot next wednesday? If they charge me another copay I know im gonna see him. Because I'm gonna say "hey doc write that script man. I can't afford to keep coming in here when I can get a bottle for 10 dollars on my insurance". Bad thing is he asked me which i preferred coming in or giving it to myself at home. Before I could get anything out of my mouth he said. Why don't you just come in until you get more comfortable. Oh well, live and learn. Thanks again for your help.

[Vettester]

Agree with Kelk. It sounds like your doctor is only 1/2 way there with administering TRT. He needs to take a closer look at the 1/2 life of the medication, which is 7 to 8 days, not to mention that it peaks even sooner at/around 3 days. As Kelk stated, HCG and AI can't be overlooked, but it would be nice to know your baseline labs on everything else, including LH/FSH, Free/Bio T, DHEA, E2, etc., all noted in the stickies.

Hope your doctor cooperates and helps you get your protocol administered correctly.

[yannick35]

First, glad your feeling better and welcome to the site. Question, are you doing 200mg every two weeks or is your doctor giving you 400mg every two weeks? 200mg per week is pretty much the high end dosage for TRT. You would do far better with a lesser amount injected more frequently which would allow you to keep more stable serum levels and avoid a roller coaster effect. Are you self injecting or going to the doc's office, which may explain the two week protocol? Are you on HCG , an AI? Have you had BW done since starting this protocol at those levels? What is your E2 level? All this info is important. Your doc may not be as up on TRT as you may think.....

Sorry for all the questions but more info is needed before I would even hazard giving my opinion on stacking. Follow up and with your answers as well as posting some BW with ranges if possible. You will get some very good answers from the members here. Also, read all the stickies at the top of the forum. Valuable educational info there.

Again, welcome.

Right on, i was given 200mg per week i went from 217 pounds to 244 in less then 8 weeks, make sure you have a good AI not to end up like me water and fat.

I now use 100mg per 10 days i added deca durabolin but for me its ligament issues not building muscles or lose fat at least for now. Deca 200mg per week, cutted out masteron and added equipoise at 300mg per week since both compounds are kings when it comes to collagen synt.

[yannick35]

Agree with Kelk. It sounds like your doctor is only 1/2 way there with administering TRT. He needs to take a closer look at the 1/2 life of the medication, which is 7 to 8 days, not to mention that it peaks even sooner at/around 3 days. As Kelk stated, HCG and AI can't be overlooked, but it would be nice to know your baseline labs on everything else, including LH/FSH, Free/Bio T, DHEA, E2, etc., all noted in the stickies.

Hope your doctor cooperates and helps you get your protocol administered correctly.

From what i am reading on here most including mine medical doctor dont know sh*t about TRT, that is very frustrating and dangerous for people like us, when not used properly.

[Vettester]

From what i am reading on here most including mine medical doctor dont know sh*t about TRT, that is very frustrating and dangerous for people like us, when not used properly.

This is indeed a big problem. What's worse is when we spell it out to members very clearly, BUT, they proceed to stay on the same path. A lot of us are patients with doctors that are A4M affiliated, and much of the advise given here is taken straight from our experiences; both from doctors who are, and are NOT familiar with administering HRT effectively. Even my PCP finally admitted to me that they (my provider) are just not fully up to speed with all of this. This is after several years of me going outside the network to be treated, and now my doctor is really starting to take notice with just how effective my program is with my overall well being.

[tacos]

So, what do I do if he doesn't give me hcg ? Im just gonna get some liquidex and not bother him with that. But, I don't have any idea where to get hcg besides from him. There aren't alot of urologists in my city. Just I just take a copy of the sticky that talks about hcg and say I'm concerned with my Tests and would like to be prescribed HCG? I need to know because im calling his office in the morning to see if I can see him for a few mins while im there to receive my shot wednesday. I might go ahead and ask him to just write me a script so that i can take it the way you guys have suggested. Thanks again for the help.

[tacos]

Just wanted to give a follow up. I printed stickies out and asked him about HCG and he shook his head and said he didn't like it. So, I'm screwed. There aren't many doctors around and I don't have the time to be running over an hour to another. He did write me a prescription for take home (TEST) so that I don't have to go in any longer to receive the shot. I guess I can give myself 100mg a week even though thats not what he recommends. I don't know how Im gonna get HCG. I looked around on the net but, I don't know if I trust buying from those places. Dont hurt to ask if someone could email me a safe place to buy it. I know its probably in my head but, I'm already noticing my tests are getting really tight. I could honestly see it on his face that he didn't know what the hell he was talking about. He did seem interested but, said he felt hcg just made you want more and he also shot me down for an AI saying it was for fat people o_O Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[yannick35]

So, what do I do if he doesn't give me hcg? Im just gonna get some liquidex and not bother him with that. But, I don't have any idea where to get hcg besides from him. There aren't alot of urologists in my city. Just I just take a copy of the sticky that talks about hcg and say I'm concerned with my Tests and would like to be prescribed HCG? I need to know because im calling his office in the morning to see if I can see him for a few mins while im there to receive my shot wednesday. I might go ahead and ask him to just write me a script so that i can take it the way you guys have suggested. Thanks again for the help.

I was lucky enough to come on here and get the advise from the boys, they know what they talking about, my medical doctor gave me testosterone enhantate WITHOUT HAVING MY TESTOSTERONE BLOOD WORK AT 200MG PER WEEK NO AI....................

I went from 217 pounds (already fat mind you) to 255 pounds during the holidays, since adding an AI and changing my diet i am slowly going down again, at 242 but a long way to go.

I was also told that ON TESTOSTERONE YOU CAN EAT...... EAT WHATEVER YOU LIKE YOU WILL NOT GAIN FAT BECAUSE ALL WILL BE SHUFFLED TOWARD YOUR MUSCLES.... what do you think of that guys........

That i would GAIN 15-20 POUNDS OF MUSCLES IN 6 MONTHS,,,,,,,,,,, what about all that fat.

And the worst he told me that he been putting people on test E for 15 years now......

You don't fukk with steroids because they can fukk you back hard, more is not better, and if you have enough for your age more won't be better either.

[tacos]

Luckily ive always eaten well. I do like an occassional Beer though. Been on for over a month now and haven't noticed any serious weight gain as of yet. Only things that concern me are no HCG and the fact that he never talks about coming off this stuff and he has no protocol for me. I just got to continue to research and learn. Thanks for the above post though as it added jack to my knowledge.

[yannick35]

Luckily ive always eaten well. I do like an occassional Beer though. Been on for over a month now and haven't noticed any serious weight gain as of yet. Only things that concern me are no HCG and the fact that he never talks about coming off this stuff and he has no protocol for me. I just got to continue to research and learn. Thanks for the above post though as it added jack to my knowledge.

Sorry tacos did not mean to hijack your tread, i just want other people to avoid the crap i been going true the recent months, its beyond me why most medical doctor who prescrib TRT often know crap about it.

HCG is very important because it protects your balls so to speak, so they can keep producing normal amount of T. AI is also very important because testosterone is the worst at giving water retention, estrogen conversion, some acne in some cases, and more.

Don't get me wrong i had some benefits like less muscles spams but i got a lot of sids, like weight gain and other.

[tacos]

I was able to get some Hcg . Now that I have my test cyp at home. I'm taking it one shot a week 200mg instead of 400 every 2. So, I guess my question is. How should I take the Hcg? How many Iu's and how many times a week? Thanks
Got another new problem. Seems that test cyp is on backorder everywhere and I had a hell of a time finding it and was told I got the last bottle at the one pharmacy that I did find it at. I got depo Anyone else run into this shortage problem? Thanks

Sorry tacos did not mean to hijack your tread, i just want other people to avoid the crap i been going true the recent months, its beyond me why most medical doctor who prescrib TRT often know crap about it.

HCG is very important because it protects your balls so to speak, so they can keep producing normal amount of T. AI is also very important because testosterone is the worst at giving water retention, estrogen conversion, some acne in some cases, and more.

Don't get me wrong i had some benefits like less muscles spams but i got a lot of sids, like weight gain and other.

No problem at all man.

[kelkel]

Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read Crislers paper on HCG . Your answers are there.
Start poking around for another doctor also. One who will complete your protocol.

[tacos]

Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read Crislers paper on HCG . Your answers are there.
Start poking around for another doctor also. One who will complete your protocol.

Thank you. And yes, Im looking into it.

[Herman Munster]

Tacos,

You should be about due for another round of bloods, I think w/ those results you could answer the how much HCG as well as AI question. Good work on getting the doc to let you out w/ a script. I can tell you from experience, I was a once every 2 week patient, then once a week in the office. I'm now self injecting every 5 days, delts and upper/outer quads and I feel the difference; my wood and energy level are steady through the week(s).

Gotta love the occassional beer; while horrible for my diet it is great for my immediate needs so I just rationalize it as a means of raising my (maybe) low estrogen levels.