18 and low test

[vinny123]

I got blood work done before i started my first cycle. i didn't get a copy of it until now but i didn't get my LH and FSH checked even though i asked for a full blood panel.

This is my results before cycle,

Testosterone , Free and Total Testosterone, serum = 320 ng/dl

Free Testosterone (direct) 8.2 pg/ml

is there anything else i can put on here that can help?

[Times Roman]

test levels fluctuate, and are not static during the day.

your test levels are still increasing at your age.

I'd hold off what you are thinking until after you are "hormonally" mature and fully developed, say around your mid twenties.

You are much too young to even be thinking about cycling mate!

[vinny123]

tru, i thought this was a sign of low testosterone . i feel like i have symptoms of it too. thats why i wanted to cycle in the first place.

[Times Roman]

mate
please do your homework. cycling is NOT a cure for low test. I'm 50, and have been on TRT for a few years. TRT is a way of improving low test. But once you go down that path, you typically do not stop.
since you are 18, and your natty test levels are still increasing, just stick with that. don't focus on what your test levels are. low test is an old man's condition. along with ED (limp dik) and low libido (no desire to fuk your woman), which is what you may get if you start experimenting with steroids at your age.

Just focus on diet and exercise. Once you build a natural foundation, self confidence will go up, women will notice and signs of depression (if any) should lessen.

Good luck!
---Roman

[bass]

read TR's post again! and perhaps few more times until it sinks in!

[vinny123]

i understand but what if my LH and other stuff like that wasn't in normal range? i guess i wont be able to know now considering i didn't get those checked.

[Brickhouse]

Bass and Roman are legends on TRT mate.....Keep off the gear at your age. I abused Dianabol , Anap 50', Winstrol , Var' etc from 18 years old.....I am now 37 and have no interest in sex, have a job even getting it up, feel low, tired, anxious the list goes on.....I am sure it was due to me abusing AAS at a young age. I am now on TRT and most probably for the rest of my life.

[Times Roman]

mate
yer still not quite catching on. blood tests are not static, but dynamic during the day. (this means it doesn't stay the same, but changes during the day). and since your hormonal system is still kicking in, it would be very wise at this stage in your development to wait and see how things shake out before you start taking hormones to cure a problem you may or may not even really have.

The folly of youth is impatience! But you must learn to be patient. Wait a few years until your mid twenties before you go hitting the panic button.

[vinny123]

i feel like that now..

[Times Roman]

my final comment on this thread....

.....you cannot feel "low test". if you have psychological issues, go see a psychiatrist (depression, etc).

Otherwise, dial in your diet, and hit the gym. You will be amazed to find how well you feel when you pick up a solid 20lbs of lean body mass.


I'd suggest posting another thread in the appropriate section so we can figure out how to put some muscle on your bones!!

[bass]

i am so amazed at youngsters being so eager to get on TRT! WTF?! even now that i am on TRT i wish i didn't have to!

[vinny123]

my final comment on this thread....

.....you cannot feel "low test". if you have psychological issues, go see a psychiatrist (depression, etc).

Otherwise, dial in your diet, and hit the gym. You will be amazed to find how well you feel when you pick up a solid 20lbs of lean body mass.


I'd suggest posting another thread in the appropriate section so we can figure out how to put some muscle on your bones!!

ok thanks for the help. ill post my diet/routine on here and you figure out whats wrong. i thought it was pretty spot on tbh.

[bass]

Smart move Vinny! no go do the right thing and we'll see you back here in 30 years or so!

[vinny123]

Calories:3020-3200(sometimes i eat more) protien-250 carbs-274 fats-91
MILK:4 servings
cals-600
fat-32
carb-48
protien-32
BROWN RICE: servings
cals-170
fat-3
carbs-33
protien-4
PEANUTBUTTER:3 servings
cals-600
fat-48
carbs-18
protien-21
WHOLEGRAIN CEREAL:4 servings
cals-480
fat-4
carbs-108
protien-8
WHEY PROTIEN:4 servings
cals-480
fat-4
carbs-8
protien-96
CHICKEN-8oz
cals-220
protien-50
EGGWHITES-4 servings
cals-120
protien-20
WHOLEGRAIN BREAD-2 servings
cals-220
carbs-40
KIDNEY BEANS-1 serving
cals-100
carbs-19
protien-8

i have to start to get on track again i started slacking with the diet a little bit but i don't think its too bad the protiens regardless are still high and the carbs are moderate along with the fat.

heres my routine

Tuesday- chest/bicep
Flat bench 5x3-5
incline bench press 3x6-10
dumbbell press 3x6-10
dumbbell curls 3x8-10
barbell curls with ez bar. 3x6-10 with dropsets

Wensday-Legs (i have a home gym so i can't really squat. i don't have a power rack.)
leg extension 4x12-15
deadlifts 5x3-5
stiffened leg deadlift 3x8-10
lunges 3x8-10

Thursday-off

friday-Shoulder/tricep
Weighted bench dips 3x6-10
dumbbell skull crushers 3x6-10
over head tricep extension 3x6-10
Dumbbell shoulder press 3x10-12
Bent over rear delt flys 3x10-12
then i do the shoulder shocker from *********. i think i have tendonitis in my left shoulder.

Saturday-back
pullups 3x6-8
Lat pulldown 3x6-10
Dumbbell row 3x6-10
seated rows 3x6-10

Sunday monday off

[Times Roman]

I lied
mate. start a new thread in the diet section here:
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...RESOURCE-FORUM

this will get the attention of our diet gurus in that section and they will help you. just copy and paste your diet there in the new thread. this is the Q&A section for steroids .

[pugster]

'I got blood work done before i started my first cycle '

this give me the impression hes already done some sort of cycle?

[bass]

'I got blood work done before i started my first cycle '

this give me the impression hes already done some sort of cycle?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. shit i kept reading TR's post and totally over looked that comment! LOL! so Vinny may have screwed him self, probably time to his the PCT section!

[vinny123]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. shit i kept reading TR's post and totally over looked that comment! LOL! so Vinny may have screwed him self, probably time to his the PCT section!

well no... damn i already made a thread about this awhile ago and people said the same thing. i decided to do a cycle because of my results. i never touched anything before hand. after been off it, i feel like i did before, still shitty. but on cycle it was nice.

[pugster]

10: dont play doctor with your own life
20 goto 10

take yourself to the pct section and pray you havent ****ed your own system up, listen to the ppl there and dont do your own version , as much as you think so you are not helping yourself.

btw cocaine will make you 'feel' better aswell , dont mean you need it tho :P


* im still not sure here, he is getting 'cycle' and 'hrt' mixed up ?

[vinny123]

10: dont play doctor with your own life
20 goto 10

take yourself to the pct section and pray you havent ****ed your own system up, listen to the ppl there and dont do your own version , as much as you think so you are not helping yourself.

btw cocaine will make you 'feel' better aswell , dont mean you need it tho :P


* im still not sure here, he is getting 'cycle' and 'hrt' mixed up ?

no i did a cycle b/c im pretty sure i have low test. im going to a urologist and i got blood work done a week ago. im interested in what people who are on trt have to say. could someone just look at what i wrote out real quick instead of posting it over in a different section i know its not relevant but i just wanted to show you i think i have an understanding on how to train/eat.

[pugster]

whats this doing in hrt section then??? :P

[bass]

no i did a cycle b/c im pretty sure i have low test. im going to a urologist and i got blood work done a week ago. im interested in what people who are on trt have to say. could someone just look at what i wrote out real quick instead of posting it over in a different section i know its not relevant but i just wanted to show you i think i have an understanding on how to train/eat.

thats your problem! if you knew anything you would have known not to play doctor like Pug said! tel your doc everything you've done so you can get a proper treatment, and hopefully you get your health back. good luck!

[vinny123]

whats this doing in hrt section then??? :P

isn't having low test levels relevant to trt? lol im 18 with beat levels. how is this not good enough evidence..

[pugster]

ok i'll try this 1 more time

1/ you diagnosed yourself
2/you treated yourself
3/you dont indicate you have done any pct
4/treating yourself will have shut your own system down
5/not doing any pct will not have restarted it
6/ your test lvls now will be lower than when you started , hence you feel shit

test lvls vary anyway thought-out the day, thats why docs get multiple tests done at different times , one test is not enough to make a judgement on any treatment.
before comiting to a lifelong therapy any doc will try and remove the possibility of any other illness that can be causing your problems , esp at your age.

[vinny123]

ok i'll try this 1 more time

1/ you diagnosed yourself
2/you treated yourself
3/you dont indicate you have done any pct
4/treating yourself will have shut your own system down
5/not doing any pct will not have restarted it
6/ your test lvls now will be lower than when you started , hence you feel shit

test lvls vary anyway thought-out the day, thats why docs get multiple tests done at different times , one test is not enough to make a judgement on any treatment.
before comiting to a lifelong therapy any doc will try and remove the possibility of any other illness that can be causing your problems , esp at your age.

i ran nolva at 20/20/10/10. my gains have been slow and my genetics are pretty shit. i haven't really felt "normal" for awhile now. i started doing research on steroids and all that and looked into TRT. i didn't want to jump the gun on a cycle so i decided to do the smart thing and get a full blood panel before hand. and it turns out my test levels looked pretty shot. thats why i went ahead and did it. should have made it more clear i did pct lol.

[SEOINAGE]

isn't having low test levels relevant to trt? lol im 18 with beat levels. how is this not good enough evidence..

Because you are still developing. who knows, couple years when you hit 20 you could be up in the 1000 range, but maybe now that you experimented with steroids you won't get that. Hate to break the bad news to you.

[SEOINAGE]

i ran nolva at 20/20/10/10. my gains have been slow and my genetics are pretty shit. i haven't really felt "normal" for awhile now. i started doing research on steroids and all that and looked into TRT. i didn't want to jump the gun on a cycle so i decided to do the smart thing and get a full blood panel before hand. and it turns out my test levels looked pretty shot. thats why i went ahead and did it. should have made it more clear i did pct lol.

Oh so you already ran a cycle before, and this latest blood test was after a cycle before starting your own hrt? Like I said before steroids likely screwed you up.

[pugster]

im no expert on pct as ive never done a cycle, tho from reading here i get the impression that just nova is not a good pct , i really hope that at your young age you havent wreaked your own system , as bass said,get to your own doc and tell him what you have done , im going to be blunt and you aint gonna like it -you really dont have the knowledge you think you have to be messing around with these types of drugs.

[vinny123]

Oh so you already ran a cycle before, and this latest blood test was after a cycle before starting your own hrt? Like I said before steroids likely screwed you up.

no this is the blood work before i started my cycle. i've said this like 10 times

[SEOINAGE]

no this is the blood work before i started my cycle. i've said this like 10 times

Lol so your cycle is over and that 20/20/10/10 nolva was your pct? So you don't have any blood work after cycle?

[bullshark99]

Vinney
Your not gonna get the answer here that I think you are looking for! The "theme" as I read this is pretty obvious what people think. That is why you are here correct????, For opinions....... Do yourself a favor and go see a specialist (endo) and come clean 100%. If you are legit canidate, Dr will tell you and help you from there. Self medicating is only gonna get you one place, for the sake of a name, lets call it Hell.

[vinny123]

well thanks for all the help. i have seen some 18-22 year olds talking about how they were on TRT. its not like i want to go on it, but if it could help then why not.

[slfmade]

Let me see if I can help clear this up since the OP is not getting it.

You are still young...even though you might have low test levels now does not mean that you will not grow into higher ones. The hormonal system does not stop developing until age 25. Nobody's hormonal system matures at the same rate. Remember that guy in 6th grade gym that already had a mustache? Everyone is different. That being said maybe you're a late bloomer. Maybe when you hit 20-21 you're gonna be up to your ears in natural test. These guys are saying to wait it out and see what happens as you continue to mature before doing your own cycle or TRT....because once this happens and you start gear/trt the likelyhood of your natural hormones shutting down and staying that way for life are far greater.

I pray this makes sense to you as this is this simpliest way I can explain it.

[bass]

Let me see if I can help clear this up since the OP is not getting it.

You are still young...even though you might have low test levels now does not mean that you will not grow into higher ones. The hormonal system does not stop developing until age 25. Nobody's hormonal system matures at the same rate. Remember that guy in 6th grade gym that already had a mustache? Everyone is different. That being said maybe you're a late bloomer. Maybe when you hit 20-21 you're gonna be up to your ears in natural test. These guys are saying to wait it out and see what happens as you continue to mature before doing your own cycle or TRT....because once this happens and you start gear/trt the likelyhood of your natural hormones shutting down and staying that way for life are far greater.

I pray this makes sense to you as this is this simpliest way I can explain it.

i dare anyone to make it simpler! LOL!

[bullshark99]

Fire "HOT" there ya go Bass LOL

[Flier]

Let me see if I can help clear this up since the OP is not getting it.

You are still young...even though you might have low test levels now does not mean that you will not grow into higher ones. The hormonal system does not stop developing until age 25. Nobody's hormonal system matures at the same rate. Remember that guy in 6th grade gym that already had a mustache? Everyone is different. That being said maybe you're a late bloomer. Maybe when you hit 20-21 you're gonna be up to your ears in natural test. These guys are saying to wait it out and see what happens as you continue to mature before doing your own cycle or TRT....because once this happens and you start gear/trt the likelyhood of your natural hormones shutting down and staying that way for life are far greater.

I pray this makes sense to you as this is this simpliest way I can explain it.

That guy was slfmade!
So listen to him now, as you did then, or he´ll be coming for you!

[slfmade]

LOL - Damn Straight - Don't make grow out a Selleck stache and whoop your ass!!!! LOL

[kelkel]

Vinny. If your seeing a doctor soon as stated, you need to be dead honest. Request complete bloodwork. It's in the stickies. Be sure to get LH/FSH levels and a thyroid panel. Diagnosing you starts with your BW as well as an honest relationship with your doc. I'm curious about LH/FSH levels to see if their low and possibly indicative of a pituitary problem. Microadenomas can develope at any age and an MRI can clear up that question for you. Your weak pct very well may have played a part here also but it does not mean your doomed at this point. There are other options to try to stimulate endogenous T production. Also consider a 24 hr urine hormone panel test. Eliminates peaks and valleys and may help ease your mind a bit (just a thought)

Hopefully you can figure this out with a competent doctor as barring a tumor or testicular damage, you need to explore every option prior to undertaking TRT. Like all above stated your are too young for it.

Keep us posted.

[pugster]

mmm simpler.....

not everyone can grow a village people moustache of epic proportions from the age of 18 , your body is still developing, give it time.