TRT causes early death?

[Ace111]

That's what the endo I was seeing told me.

He said the use of exogenous testosterone causes death 10-15 years earlier than normal.

From what I've read its the other way around and that low testosterone can cause early death.

Is this guy just trying to discourage the use of TRT through scare tactics or is he misinformed?

[pugster]

best thing to do is ask for his source , there are alot of misinformed docs out there who just try to blag ppl imo , ive heard /read that low test can cause alot for problems ranging from mental health issues to heart problems, on the other hand the only thing ive read about male HRT causing early death is when it has been prescribed to ppl with certain pre existing types of cancer (some cancers are accelerated with testosterone ) , its why prostrate health checks are a must for male hrt users.

[marcus300]

I'd seek another doctor because he's got it the wrong way round.

[choker28]

wow thats nice no to ive just started my Trt .My Doctor has a ass whooping coming keeping that from me

[choker28]

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[Flier]

The biggest reason I have yet to start HRT is the idea of being a "slave" to medicine and injecting for the next 10-20-40 years, until the end.
So I told my Endo, "how do I know if I still can find gear and have the motivation to be injecting when I´m 70".
He said "If you don´t start TRT soon, you will never make it to 70"

[yannick35]

I am not afraid of dying, living in pain and feeling awful is far worst

[lovbyts]

I guess you can choose to live feeling like crap, no energy, no desire to really go on, do much of anything or get back into shape or POSSIBLY die sooner but physically and emotionally happier/healthier.

[V-ROID]

I guess if you diet/smoke/drink/lifestyle or whatever yourself to the point that you get cancer, then test could speed up that cancer, ending your life sooner. Live clean. Stay up on your BW. Understand the commitment, hell you may live to 100!

[ecdysone]

That's what the endo I was seeing told me.

It's your own fault - next time go see an endocrinologist rather than an endodontist and he, being knowledgeable of the medical literature, will tell you the exact opposite.

[Ace111]

best thing to do is ask for his source

He probably would've said he's the source since you know, he's the expert

The biggest reason I have yet to start HRT is the idea of being a "slave" to medicine and injecting for the next 10-20-40 years, until the end.
So I told my Endo, "how do I know if I still can find gear and have the motivation to be injecting when I´m 70".
He said "If you don´t start TRT soon, you will never make it to 70"

He asked me if I really wanted to spend the rest of my life injecting myself? I said if it stops me from feeling like crap, yes.

I am not afraid of dying, living in pain and feeling awful is far worst

I guess you can choose to live feeling like crap, no energy, no desire to really go on, do much of anything or get back into shape or POSSIBLY die sooner but physically and emotionally happier/healthier.

Exactly. The way I am now it just feels like I'm waiting to die.
But I doubt dying sooner is even true unless you already have pre existing cancer as was already posted or you abuse AAS.

It's your own fault - next time go see an endocrinologist rather than an endodontist and he, being knowledgeable of the medical literature, will tell you the exact opposite.

I see what you did there
The difference is one of them doesn't claim to be an expert in hormones while knowing almost nothing.

[pugster]

Originally Posted by pugster View Post
best thing to do is ask for his source
He probably would've said he's the source since you know, he's the expert

if he was the expert he should be able to point you to the research paper that proves what he is saying to you, - professionals carry on learning thro-out their careers , there nothing wrong with asking him where hes been getting his info from.
the probelm comes from ppl thinking doctors are gods and the doc themselves thinking the same (this does not apply to all , but most from my exp) and are not to be questioned , they are simply doing a job , if a mechanic couldnt explain why your car was running like a bag of shit would you trust his judgement or just pay him?

do not be afraid to ask your doc to explain and if need be prove what he is telling you , esp if you think hes wrong.

[doc w]

Not sure where this endo guy gets his info. I started TRT to extend my life. He obviously hasn't read the studies on metabolic syndrome and cardiovascular disease. Like anything in life too much is not good ie red wine; a couple of glasses are good, a gallon a day not so much. There is much to be learned about the ideal protocols for TRT. I would rather be on it early than later because I believe the evidence is pointing towards its benefits.

[JohnnyVegas]

I have made it a point to get most of my info about testosterone from science websites rather than anyone involved with the TRT industry. Of course any company involved with the industry says TRT is great. The amount of puffery is sometimes insulting.

But, I have read a few things that have popped up randomly (as studies have concluded) on sciencedaily.com (love that site) and they have talked about how much TRT helps elderly men. Vitality, bone density, muscle mass, mobility and protection from some common health problems associated with aging. There have also been a few that said too much Test is bad and can cause its own problems. Low Test can also cause problems. I like to think that our goal of having the "correct" amount of Test will help. Unfortunately, I think we are the test subjects for those that will follow behind us.

One thing that that is being given further study right now is that HGH may cause cancers...or more specifically that low HGH levels can help prevent cancers. That isn't directly related to what we are talking about, but a few of us are certainly interested in HGH.

[Vettester]

Choker28, please edit and remove your link. We can't be posting links to clinics.
Thanks

[Vettester]

15 years off of peoples lives?? That's a joke! If this were the case, we would already be seeing the repercussions of TRT on a large scale. I mean think about it, 15 years is huge! If the average life span is 75 (maybe it's a little higher), then that means we're dropping off at 60. He's presenting this as if we've been exposed to plutonium, or high levels of asbestos.

Keep in mind, half the guys like this schmo also say that estrogen never needs to be looked at if you are administering exogenous testosterone , and they have no clue why a patient should ever take HCG . I had an endo tell me that it was illegal for any patient to administer injections of cyp at home. I asked why, he said because it was a controlled substance, and the definition of that is that it means it is controlled by a doctor, not a patient.

[bass]

if that was the case then bodybuilders should die at 50, because they really use "exogenous" amount of steroids compared to TRT users!

[HRTstudent]

That's what the endo I was seeing told me.

He said the use of exogenous testosterone causes death 10-15 years earlier than normal.

From what I've read its the other way around and that low testosterone can cause early death.

Is this guy just trying to discourage the use of TRT through scare tactics or is he misinformed?

Find a new doctor.

Not only is he misinforming you but he is ignorant. How will he treat your other health issues do you presume?

This is pathetic.

[choker28]

Choker28, please edit and remove your link. We can't be posting links to clinics.
Thanks

sorry, removed

[JD250]

I am not afraid of dying, living in pain and feeling awful is far worst

My sentiments exactly!!