Feeling like shlt for 4 months, Free Test results

**wmaousley** · 03-12-2012, 01:40 AM

SO I have been off cycle since De***ber 1 and have felt like shit ever since also a non-existent libido, fatigue, painful nipples, headaches etc.. Last week I decided to go see what my Free Test level was, and yesterday got the results.

My results 12pg/ml (Normal range according to the test 9pg/ml-47pg/ml) ELISA Test Method Is this correct???

The doctor told me that I was within range, and when I stressed I wanted to be at optimal levels vs. the low end he said start yoga classes. I told him to stick the yoga up his azz, and I didnt appreciate waiting 2 hours for no help or other solutions from a so called professional.

SO today I am going to go see another DR. that can hopefully show me some light at the end of this 4 month long tunnel, or I am immedietly going to my nearest gym to purchase some Test and saying the hell with "Professional Doctors".

Some of you may say why not go to the gym and get the test in the first place, well I am trying to do the right thing by getting test ran so that a medical professional can keep me on the right track.

**zaggahamma** · 03-12-2012, 01:46 AM

did you mean to post this in the pct forum? and/or did you run a pct?

good luck at finding a doctor to shed ANY light..

i dont see any baseline bloodwork or cycle information either..

seriously though, hope you get this straight

**wmaousley** · 03-13-2012, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by jpkman

did you mean to post this in the pct forum? and/or did you run a pct?

good luck at finding a doctor to shed ANY light..

i dont see any baseline bloodwork or cycle information either..

seriously though, hope you get this straight

No sorry if I posted it in the wrong forum

I ran what I thought was a great PCT:

Nolvadex 60/40/40/20
Clomid 100/50/50/25
HCG 5000iu/2500iu/2500iu/1000iu

Never checked my "baseline" prior to cycle last year, But a little background. I did 2 cycles last year, Each was 12 weeks of Test E 500-750mg per week, Dbol 50-60mg daily for 6 weeks. followed by the PCT above.

Going back today to see a different doc.

**zaggahamma** · 03-13-2012, 05:47 AM

looks like an aggressive pct from here but really never studied the subject...never ran one...and jumped on trt at age 36...how old are you bro

good luck

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 03-13-2012, 06:07 AM

If your PCT log above indicates you did a 4 week PCT, then no wonder you feel like crap. A good PCT is 3 months long! Go over to the PCT forum and read up on stuff there. Your HCG amount was way too high and probably caused some LH desensitization. Don't mix Nolva and Clomid. First Clomid, then Nolva after that.

**wmaousley** · 03-14-2012, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by jpkman

looks like an aggressive pct from here but really never studied the subject...never ran one...and jumped on trt at age 36...how old are you bro

good luck

I am 30

**wmaousley** · 03-14-2012, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

If your PCT log above indicates you did a 4 week PCT, then no wonder you feel like crap. A good PCT is 3 months long! Go over to the PCT forum and read up on stuff there. Your HCG amount was way too high and probably caused some LH desensitization. Don't mix Nolva and Clomid. First Clomid, then Nolva after that.

Thanks for your comments< this is the first time I have heard of a multi month PCT. I will research it. Thank you for the direction.

**HRTstudent** · 03-14-2012, 10:56 AM

You ran some pretty decent levels of potent steroids . You were, as expected, very suppressed. While it may be convenient for the forum world to tell you that after a good 4 week "PCT" you will be back to normal, that is a fallacy.

If you stayed off everything for a year you will give your body a fighting chance to fully recuperate. But if you keep going on and off you will a) not give your body 100% recovery each time and b) simply dig yourself deeper and deeper.

What your goal is, however, is unclear... whether you WANT to be on TRT or you want to recover your own natural HTPA function.

**wmaousley** · 03-25-2012, 12:54 AM

Update********* Finally, I have a prescription for Nebido. Pretty excited about this.

**zaggahamma** · 03-25-2012, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by wmaousley

Update********* Finally, I have a prescription for Nebido. Pretty excited about this.

wow so how does that work

you fill it and then bring back to doctor or is it self administer

**wmaousley** · 03-26-2012, 01:41 AM

It depends on the person. I have to fill the script, and I have the choice to either self administer or go back to the doc and let him do it. Most likely I will pin myself.

I will keep you updated.

**Flier** · 03-26-2012, 02:42 AM

I have a Nebido script as well. But haven´t started yet.(desperately trying all other avenues before this lifelong decision)
U gonna frontload? (3 shots 6 weeks apart)
AI, HCG ?
Good luck!

**wmaousley** · 03-26-2012, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Flier

I have a Nebido script as well. But haven´t started yet.(desperately trying all other avenues before this lifelong decision)
U gonna frontload? (3 shots 6 weeks apart)
AI, HCG ?
Good luck!

my doctor said the loading phase would be 2 shots 6 weeks apart then 1 shot every 85-90 days depending on blood tests. Really didnt see a difference in 85-90 days lol.

WHy do you say its a life long decision?

**Flier** · 03-26-2012, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by wmaousley

my doctor said the loading phase would be 2 shots 6 weeks apart then 1 shot every 85-90 days depending on blood tests. Really didnt see a difference in 85-90 days lol.

WHy do you say its a life long decision?

Sounds like the same protocol I´ll be doing. We are lucky we have Nebido, only 1 pin every 3 months)
TRT, life long decision.
I´m tethering on the low end of the scale 8-10 (8-35), and have all the symptoms.
Started Tore, and test boosted to 18, but then after 2 months started dropping, 13.
So I quit. Now doing a Prop cycle, with a solid Clomid/Nolv PCT, never used Clomid before. Then wait a few months doing nothing but HGH, and make a decision pending on my BW by the end of the year.
This has been going on for over 2 years now.
I hate anything permanent, like lifelong slave to medicine. (why I´m still single

)
And seeing how these TRT guys are micromanaging their numbers scare me.
Also, my home is planet Earth, I have no idea where I will be living from year to year. So how do I know my medicine always will be available.
Where are u located? Military? If so, u get your gear through the military?

...Also Triptorelin is something I need to look into and try before TRT.

**big_ron** · 03-26-2012, 03:08 AM

Because TRT is suppose to be for life, obviously injecting more test and shutting down even more that you are, if you stop your trt your going to be back to where you started, most likely worse

**lovbyts** · 03-26-2012, 05:54 AM

Congratulations on finding a doctor willing to help you. Hope you get feeling better soon.

**wmaousley** · 03-27-2012, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Flier

Sounds like the same protocol I´ll be doing. We are lucky we have Nebido, only 1 pin every 3 months)
TRT, life long decision.
I´m tethering on the low end of the scale 8-10 (8-35), and have all the symptoms.
Started Tore, and test boosted to 18, but then after 2 months started dropping, 13.
So I quit. Now doing a Prop cycle, with a solid Clomid/Nolv PCT, never used Clomid before. Then wait a few months doing nothing but HGH, and make a decision pending on my BW by the end of the year.
This has been going on for over 2 years now.
I hate anything permanent, like lifelong slave to medicine. (why I´m still single

)
And seeing how these TRT guys are micromanaging their numbers scare me.
Also, my home is planet Earth, I have no idea where I will be living from year to year. So how do I know my medicine always will be available.
Where are u located? Military? If so, u get your gear through the military?

...Also Triptorelin is something I need to look into and try before TRT.

I see your point, I am in Kuwait and my gera is coming from a normal doc, Not the Military. Is Nebido USFDA approved?

**wmaousley** · 03-27-2012, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Congratulations on finding a doctor willing to help you. Hope you get feeling better soon.

Thanks buddy, we hope so as well. Atleast this doctor didn't tell me to practice yoga to boost my testosterone like the last one.

**Flier** · 03-27-2012, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by wmaousley

I see your point, I am in Kuwait and my gera is coming from a normal doc, Not the Military. Is Nebido USFDA approved?

No, so if you´re a Yankee, u have to switch to Cyp. once u get back.
So if you total Test is 12, u´re higher than me. Lucky you

Don´t jump on TRT cause ONE bloodwork show low test.
HRT suggested staying off everything for 1 year, to see if our glands could recuperate. What do you (we) have to loose?...I guess some musclemass, but it´s worth it.

**wmaousley** · 03-28-2012, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by Flier

No, so if you´re a Yankee, u have to switch to Cyp. once u get back. I have already worked this out as I will buy enough nebido to last me 1 year before I come home and since I have ties to the ME I will be coming back.So if you total Test is 12, u´re higher than me. Lucky you

Don´t jump on TRT cause ONE bloodwork show low test. This wasnt the first test I had. I have seen about 7 doctors over the last 7 years and most put me on Andriol which ended up in the trash.
HRT suggested staying off everything for 1 year, to see if our glands could recuperate. What do you (we) have to loose?...I guess some musclemass, but it´s worth it. We have nothing to lose, but my sex life is struggling hard and I am a married man.

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