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    Sleep problems?

    When I started my HRT eight months ago I wasn't able to sleep without lunesta or ambian. But taking them always made me feel like a zombie. I never felt rested even when I slept. After I started my HRT I stoped using them and slept great. I was on 100 test aw and 1iu HGH Ed with some hcg . Now that I am on a cycle with 600 aw test and 400 aw Deca and 3iu ed I can't sleep again. why is this? Can I do anything to help me sleep?

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    Maybe sleep apnea.

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    If it was sleep apnea he would have while not on hrt or cycle .I am the same way you have to find your own way to deal with it ask your dr for xannex it doesnt leave you zombyfied the next day as long as you dont abuse it.

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    I am a fan of Xanax but I think continued use has issues. I would not counsel anyone to take it more than twice a week, and over time that is pushing it, in my opinion.

    Greatly preferred over ambien for long term use though.

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    Exogenous testosterone can cause sleep apnea.

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    Sleep apnea, for me when I'm larger it bothers me, when I'm lighter sleep good

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    so are you guys saying at the "cruise" dosage of test most of us here in this forum live on you haven't noticed any sleep changes?

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    disorder that affects 4%-9% of adult males. Its most common manifestation is loud snoring and it may occur several hundred times throughout the night, resulting in sleep fragmentation and excessive daytime sleepiness. The current study, reported in the July issue of The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, found that nearly half the subjects who suffered from severe sleep apnea also secreted abnormally low levels of testosterone throughout the night.

    HAIFA, ISRAEL and NEW YORK, NY, July 25, 2002-Male patients who suffer from obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) -- the inability to breathe properly during sleep -- produce lower levels of testosterone , resulting in decreased libido and sexual activity, according to researchers at the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology. Previous studies had indicated that male sleep apnea patients had reported decreased libidos but the studies were unable to establish a scientific link. The current study, reported in the July issue of The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, found that nearly half the subjects who suffered from severe sleep apnea also secreted abnormally low levels of testosterone throughout the night.

    "For years we have seen sleep-disorder patients complain of decreased libido but we had no explanation for this phenomenon until now," said Professor Peretz Lavie, head of the Technion Sleep Laboratory and study leader.

    Sleep apnea is a respiratory disorder that affects 4%-9% of adult males. Its most common manifestation is loud snoring and it may occur several hundred times throughout the night, resulting in sleep fragmentation and excessive daytime sleepiness. For many years sleep apnea sufferers have complained of decreased libidos, yet previous studies reported that patients' testosterone levels , although low, were within the normal adult male range.

    The current study adopted a different methodology. Earlier studies had only measured participants' testosterone levels once after awakening. In this study, subjects were admitted to the Technion Sleep Center for an entire night and were fitted with electrodes and catheters. They were monitored between 7 p.m. and 7 a.m. with blood samples collected every 20 minutes. At 10 p.m., lights were turned off and the participants retired to sleep. Two groups -- one of sleep apnea patients and another of normal controls of similar body weight and age -- were investigated.

    The study found that nearly half the sleep apnea patients secreted abnormally low testosterone levels throughout the night.

    "Should follow-up studies confirm these findings, then therapeutic intervention of sleep apnea could become a recommended remedy for certain forms of male sexual dysfunction," said Prof. Rephael Luboshitzky, an endocrinologist on the research team. "It is our hope that in the future, by correcting nighttime breathing patterns we will be able to stimulate hormone production and thereby raise libidos."

    The Technion-Israel Institute of Technology is Israel's leading scientific and technological center for applied research and education. It commands a worldwide reputation for its pioneering work in computer science, biotechnology, water-resource management, materials engineering, aerospace and medicine. The majority of the founders and managers of Israel's high-tech companies are alumni.

    Based in New York City, the American Technion Society is the leading American organization supporting higher education in Israel with more than 20,000 supporters and 17 offices around the country.



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    Neuroendocrine dysfunction in sleep apnea: reversal by continuous positive airways pressure therapy
    RR Grunstein, DJ Handelsman, SJ Lawrence, C Blackwell, ID Caterson and CE Sullivan
    Sleep Unit, Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Sydney, Australia.

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    What is Xanax I have heard the name before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolhand5599 View Post
    What is Xanax I have heard the name before
    chill pill

    google came up with this wikipedia

    enjoy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alprazolam

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    Xanax, diazapan, even lorazipan will probably do the trick for you, but I would caution you to use MODESTLY!! I have expeience here, first ambien next lunesta ect ect...... Ultametly you get to a point where you "fear" bedtime, unless you have your meds. Trust me, get by on the smallest amount of anything you can. Sounds like when you are done with your cycle you should have no problems.

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