Stopping TRT. need advice.

[Movingmetal]

So here is my blood work results prior to being placed on trt.

Total testosterone - 6.8 nmol/L. Normal range 8-30 nmol/L.
SHBG- 31 nmol/L. Normal range 17-66 nmol/L
FAI- 21.9%. Normal range 23.3-103%
FHS- 4.8 IU/L. Normal range 1-18
LH- 2.1 IU/L. Normal range 1-12
Prolactin- 6.9ug/L. Normal range <20

After 3 months of being on trt, i wish to come off and try restart my HPTA naturally while i still have a chance. There could be many factors that lead to this low reading including undereating, low fats, alcohol, fat burners, and cigarrettes. I am going to try and change my lifestyle over the next few months and see what happens.
I was given my last Reandron 1000 injection 6 weeks ago so it will slowly be running out.

Any suggestions in restarting my HPTA? My endo said i should just go cold turkey and let me body figure it out.

[Vettester]

Somebody should pull your endo's paycheck and let him figure it out when he has no money to live on!! What a dik wad!

Your best bet will be to treat this like a PCT, which will probably consist of some HCG , Clomid & Nolvadex . Here's a great starting point thread to look at from Swifto: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-A-with-Swifto....

Refer to the PCT Forum for a TON of other threads and information to work with.

Sorry, I've never had to go through with a PCT, so I can't give you first hand experience on it. However, there's some elite experience over in that forum just like you find in this forum. Please let us know if you have successful campaign with restarting your HPTA.

[Movingmetal]

Thanks for the advice. I have to decided to go cold turkey for at least 2 months. So basically im going to train hard, eat enough, take zinc, and try and relax. I think we underestimate the power of food. I may be wrong, but if i am right, it could be a major wake up call to all young men dieting hard to get lean. I will get blood tests every 3 weeks and post my results. Here goes nothing. If anyone has any advice, please feel free to share

[bass]

if these were your levels prior to TRT, thats where you going to end up once you do PCT, which is still in the tank! i doubt life style change will get you high enough to be healthy. good luck an keep us posted.

[Steiner]

if these were your levels prior to TRT, thats where you going to end up once you do PCT, which is still in the tank! i doubt life style change will get you high enough to be healthy. good luck an keep us posted.

I have to agree, I always train hard and eat well but when it's gone... it's gone. Fitness and diet simply cannot replace that testerone once your body clock calls time on it.

vetteman08 is right but your endo needs to have his neck pulled, not his paycheck.

I bet he wouldn't go cold turkey and sit in the corner looking at a linp dick and an unhappy wife for 2-3 months!

Why are you stopping the trt?

[zaggahamma]

I don't think we underestimate a clean diets credentials

But it won't give u high t if u r low t

Just my .o2

Best of luck though with all of it

[Movingmetal]

Deep down i know you guys are right. But i have to give it a try. I know its risky but its my only chance to recover natural T levels. If it fails after 2-3 months, i will go back on trt. I will get a blood test next week and post results

[Movingmetal]

Oh and as i am on Reandron 1000, it will take a while for the T to leave my system. So i guess its going to gradually decline.

[flatscat]

Deep down i know you guys are right. But i have to give it a try. I know its risky but its my only chance to recover natural T levels. If it fails after 2-3 months, i will go back on trt. I will get a blood test next week and post results

I can appreciate this. Have done the same thing myself.

Just follow your plan - keep your diet right, train hard - especially large muscles - and get plenty of rest.

Best of luck and I hope you find what you are looking for.

[Movingmetal]

thanks for the support flatscat! How did you find it? did you increase your natural t? if so how long did it take?
I will continue to lift heavy and eat clean. Will i lose all my muscle mass? Will i gain fat mass? Assuming diet is perfect of coarse

[Movingmetal]

So after 8 weeks since my last injection I had more blood work done. These are the results.

Total testosterone 9.8 nmol/l
SHBG 25 nmol/l
Free androgen index 39.2

My endo says to wait 2 more months and see what the body does.

[Movingmetal]

hey guys need a little advice if possible.

So as mentioned in the comment above, those were my latest blood work results.
I forgot to mention my LH and FSH.

LH < 1
FSH <1

Therefore, my pituitary is not up and running yet. How long will it take before these increase? I understand that they may never increase due to possible secondary hypogonadism, but lets say in a normal 20 year old who had been on test for 12 weeks, how long would it take to recover LH and FHS? The reason i ask is that if these levels do not increase soon, i will most definetely be back on TRT for life. So just hanging in there for the moment.

[bullshark99]

Bro, I know your looking for answers/advice, but no one can answer that with any amount of certainty. The odds are 1 in 1 (100%) if it happens for you but everybody is different. You are gonna have to do your best to stick to your plan and if things dont recover, consider plan B, back on TRT.

[Movingmetal]

yep totally agree bullshark.

Well, just to keep you guys updates on my progress.

After stopping trt,

after 8 weeks, 10nmol/l
after 10 weeks, 10nmol/l

my LH and FHS are still suppressed. So that means when they become active again, im hoping these levels will shoot up.

My lipido is high strangely. I want to have sex everyday and have high energy levels.
My psychological state is also very high. Feeling very positive and ready to attempt to recharge my body.

Before going on trt my levels were 6.8nmol/L.

So 10 is a good start.

[bass]

did you do pct? glad youre doing good.

[Movingmetal]

Did not do a pct as my endo said we will
Just let nature do the work. Will my hpta eventually turn back on without a pct?

[Jadam]

Glad you're feeling well going cold turkey. When I was trying to find a new doctor, one wanted me to quit for two months so he could run his own labs. After about six weeks, I couldn't take it and went back on.

[vinceproduction]

My doctor ( and I use that term loosely) pulled me cold turkey and it was the worst 2 months of my life! It was pure hell. I slept when I came home from work, was argumentative and hated life. I can't understand why a doctor would pull someone off of testosterone without a pct.

[Brohim]

Thanks for the advice. I have to decided to go cold turkey for at least 2 months. So basically im going to train hard, eat enough, take zinc, and try and relax. I think we underestimate the power of food. I may be wrong, but if i am right, it could be a major wake up call to all young men dieting hard to get lean. I will get blood tests every 3 weeks and post my results. Here goes nothing. If anyone has any advice, please feel free to share

Dude food has nothing to do with your HPTA system. If you come off cold turkey you will feel like dogshit. Use Nolvadex an Clomid and HCG if you have it. Research "PCT" you need to do this for 4-5 weeks.

A PCT will "jumpstart" your LH and your pituitary. That is the whole point of doing a PCT.

[Movingmetal]

So its been 3 months off TRT now.
It was hard dealing with the psychological aspects of coming off such as knowing i will have low T again. This stressed me as Im addicted to training and dieting to achieve the perfect body.
I eventually decided to stop feeling sorry for myself as their are worse things in life, and make the decision to do whatever i feel like and forget about T levels, training, and eating healthy for 3 months.
This was hard at first, and became much easier. I still think about training every day, but i know i will eventually be back in routine, and decided to make the most of the time off while i attempt to recover my levels.
To be honest, i feel great. Im happy, i go out and drink most weekends with my mates, eat junk food everyday, and have great sex with the girl Im currently seeing. Even thought my total testosterone is well under 10 nmol/L.
I will get another blood test tomorrow morning and fill you guys in on what the results show.
I do not regret taking this time off trt, as its taught me to be strong when times are tough.
fingers crossed for tomorrows blood work.
I really wanted to do a PCT, however my endo said no, and therefore i had no way of getting the gear, except illegal measures. So i trusted him and went with it.

[Movingmetal]

So it's been 15 weeks since last injection. Total testosterone is 7nmol/l.
Losing hope. Will continue without t for one more month. Starting to feel tired and fatigued all the time. Losing sleep and becoming aggressive.
My endo says that "7nmol may be my normal production, and it's just in the low ranges

[Movingmetal]

Hey guys,
I have taken 3 months off trt to try and recover my unknown levels previous to strict dieting, and it has been a hard journey.
I have been walking around with a total testosterone of 7nmol/L for the past 2 months.
Nothing has changed.
I have finally accepted that diet was not the cause to my low testosterone .
I saw a testosterone specialist today, as i was not happy with my previous endocrinologist (he suggested that a level of 7nmol/L is "in the range"). bullshit.
Today the guy I saw knew what he was doing.
I will now begin trt in the manner he suggests.
Thanks for the support everyone.
TRT for life now

[xcraider37]

Thanks for the advice. I have to decided to go cold turkey for at least 2 months. So basically im going to train hard, eat enough, take zinc, and try and relax. I think we underestimate the power of food. I may be wrong, but if i am right, it could be a major wake up call to all young men dieting hard to get lean. I will get blood tests every 3 weeks and post my results. Here goes nothing. If anyone has any advice, please feel free to share

Go easy on the training hard part of this PCT, I would say it would be best to train easy for a few months. The theory that compounds lifts are going to raise your T level is not going to work for you at this point, try training hard after about 6 months.

Looks like I needed to read the whole thread. Good luck on your TRT restart.

[bass]

Hey guys,
I have taken 3 months off trt to try and recover my unknown levels previous to strict dieting, and it has been a hard journey.
I have been walking around with a total testosterone of 7nmol/L for the past 2 months.
Nothing has changed.
I have finally accepted that diet was not the cause to my low testosterone .
I saw a testosterone specialist today, as i was not happy with my previous endocrinologist (he suggested that a level of 7nmol/L is "in the range"). bullshit.
Today the guy I saw knew what he was doing.
I will now begin trt in the manner he suggests.
Thanks for the support everyone.
TRT for life now

unfortunately nature can't correct itself all the time, but look at the bright side, now with TRT you can do things far more better physically and mentally. what is your protocol now?

[Movingmetal]

New protocol is testogel 50mg/5g packets, once a day. Any advice on how to optimise results?

[Movingmetal]

Hey guys. So, I decided i wanted one more blood test to clarify that i definetely had low T. The results have come back, and my total test is now 9.8! the highest its been. Does this mean its continuing to rise? Now i need to decide wheather to stop taking testogel and see if my levels go back up! what should i do!

[Movingmetal]

Anyone? Is 9.8nmol/l from 6.8nmol/l of T enough to show that my t was rising?

[DanMan250]

When did u have this blood test done? U said u have been on Testogel for 3 weeks and now feel no good. 9.8nmol/L is barely above the bottom of the ref range. You should feel a lot better if you are toward the top of the ref range which is 30nmol/L.

[Movingmetal]

i had it done 1 day before going onto TRT for the 2nd time. I know im a stress head, its just im so young and im just trying so hard to figure out whats happening to me. And there is little help where i live. This forum is the best resource i have