Bass's new blood work based on Test/hCG EOD no AI.

[bass]

Regardless, I'm curious and subscribed just as others are. Bass, by no means am I discrediting how far you've come, or where you're at. We are actually very similar in this situation. My SHBG is also very low (approx. 10 to 11 if not mistaken), so I'm in the same boat. I had to really tweak my protocol over the years to accommodate this variable. My objective is to just illustrate other possibilities from a different angle, coming from my experiences and other members that I've been associated with. You have my support no matter what, and ultimately I want you to achieve your optimal balance. If you can achieve it with the new plan you just presented, then excellent, I'll be the first to tip my hat, and to take note that it was an effective method.

Very best to all!

no worries Vette, all of your inputs have helped me more than you know. i alone know how my body reacts to medication so i'll do what i think is needed based on my experience and your valuable input to make the right adjustment. thanks for taking the time to respond.

For bass: sorry, don't recall your test levels/E2 before...is all you did this time was eliminate the AI?

I wouldn't recommend someone park himself at an E2 > 80, otoh if you're not experiencing any effects then only a gradual adjustment is called for.

As we all know the perfect world is one with as few chemicals in our bodies...maybe more so than achieving "good numbers."

last time i stopped AI's for 4 weeks doing twice a week shots SQ along with 300 iu 3 days a week, then at the last week took 1.5 mg AI split then did blood work, my e2 came back at 18 i believe, it was very low, so it didn't take much to bring my e2 down.

And yet another thing you can be happy with is your results of the prostate specific test you got 0.8 which is extremely good imo and if it stays in that range you should be gtg against old prostate cancer crap

before i started TRT it was at 0.5, a year or so later while on TRT went up to 0.8, last test was 0.8 so no change, which is good.

Bass did the Iodine help with your TSH level's? Also do you notice more of a "kick" when doing IM injections in larger doses rather than SQ?

yes absolutely it helped! my TSH was always at 3.5 range 0.5-4.5, four weeks or so on iodine 3-5 drops a day rub it on my skin and its down to 1.99 as you can see in the BW above. thanks a million for helping me with the dose.

[steroid.com 1]

b - What Iodine are you using?

Also, add in 200mcg of Selenium as it synergistically works with the Iodine.

[bass]

b - What Iodine are you using?

Also, add in 200mcg of Selenium as it synergistically works with the Iodine.

J.CROW'S Lugol's Solution of Iodine 5%

i had to look up synergistically! LOL. okay, i'll try it, thanks!

[keep fightin]

Bass you are a human lab rat! I know you will keep us posted on this, great thread..

[bass]

Bass you are a human lab rat! I know you will keep us posted on this, great thread..

we all are!

[bass]

decided to do blood work this Thursday morning to see if my 0.25 mg AI eod is doing the trick. this BW will be a complete panel,

-Lipid Profile
-Complete Blood Count w/ Differential
-Estradiol, Sensitive
-Insulin Growth Factor (IGF-1)
-Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
-Testosterone , Free (Direct), Serum With Total Testosterone
-Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA)
-Thyroid Profile

[kelkel]

Look forward to it!

[Vettester]

Yes, very good!! Look forward to seeing your dosage effectiveness as well.

[jamotech]

Im starting to get familiar with that panel of tests... glad I got it especially for the lipid panel

[bass]

only paid 160 for it!

[jamotech]

only paid 160 for it!

yea its cheap, did you use the 15% off code?

[bass]

yea its cheap, did you use the 15% off code?

of course!

[bass]

i am disappointed with some of the results, little worried about my PSA, it seems to keep going up. also big time disappointed in my TSH, been consistent with the iodine but this time its the worst I've ever seen it! cholesterol not to worry about it because i do eat lots of protein, my HDL is pretty good and my ration is near perfect. and finally this is the first time ever doing a sensitive e2 and it looks like i crashed it again! but was only taking 0.25 eod! i guess Vette and I were wrong in our assessment, GD and Kel were right. so I'll stop AI for couple of weeks and start at 0.25 twice a week then do another blood test in 4 weeks. do you guys think crashing e2 can effect PSA levels? what what should i do about my thyroid?

CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 5.0 x10E3/uL 4.0-10.5 01
RBC 5.97 High x10E6/uL 4.14-5.80 01, this was two days before i donated blood, next time i'll do double reds.
Hemoglobin 17.1 g/dL 12.6-17.7 01
Hematocrit 51.7 High % 37.5-51.0 01, this was two days before i donated blood, but like to know how to lower it!
MCV 87 fL 79-97 01
MCH 28.6 pg 26.6-33.0 01
MCHC 33.1 g/dL 31.5-35.7 01
RDW 14.3 % 12.3-15.4 01
Platelets 141 x10E3/uL 140-415 01
Neutrophils 60 % 40-74 01
Lymphs 32 % 14-46 01
Monocytes 6 % 4-13 01
Eos 2 % 0-7 01
Basos 0 % 0-3 01
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.0 x10E3/uL 1.8-7.8 01
Lymphs (Absolute) 1.6 x10E3/uL 0.7-4.5 01
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.3 x10E3/uL 0.1-1.0 01
Eos (Absolute) 0.1 x10E3/uL 0.0-0.4 01
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 x10E3/uL 0.0-0.2 01
Immature Granulocytes 0 % 0-2 01
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 x10E3/uL 0.0-0.1 01

Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose, Serum 95 mg/dL 65-99 01
BUN 20 mg/dL 6-24 01
Creatinine, Serum 1.30 High mg/dL 0.76-1.27 01, not worried about, it always been this way.
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 63 mL/min/1.73 >59 01
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 15 9-20 01
Sodium, Serum 139 mmol/L 134-144 01
Potassium, Serum 4.1 mmol/L 3.5-5.2 01
Chloride, Serum 98 mmol/L 97-108 01
Carbon Dioxide, Total 25 mmol/L 20-32 01
Calcium, Serum 9.7 mg/dL 8.7-10.2 01
Protein, Total, Serum 7.4 g/dL 6.0-8.5 01
Albumin, Serum 4.6 g/dL 3.5-5.5 01
Globulin, Total 2.8 g/dL 1.5-4.5 01
A/G Ratio 1.6 1.1-2.5 01
Bilirubin, Total 0.5 mg/dL 0.0-1.2 01
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 60 IU/L 25-150 01
AST (SGOT) 18 IU/L 0-40 01, this been looking solid the last two tets!
ALT (SGPT) 21 IU/L 0-55 01, this been looking solid the last two tets!

Lipid Panel
Cholesterol, Total 238 High mg/dL 100-199 01
Triglycerides 113 mg/dL 0-149 01
HDL Cholesterol 67 mg/dL >39 01
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 23 mg/dL 5-40 01
LDL Cholesterol Calc 148 High mg/dL 0-99 01

Thyroid Panel With TSH
TSH 4.390 uIU/mL 0.450-4.500 01
Thyroxine (T4) 7.7 ug/dL 4.5-12.0 01
T3 Uptake 35 % 24-39 01
Free Thyroxine Index 2.7 1.2-4.9 01
Testosterone ,Free and Total
Testosterone, Serum 721 ng/dL 348-1197 01
Free Testosterone(Direct) 24.6 High pg/mL 7.2-24.0 02

Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 1.0 ng/mL 0.0-4.0 01, this one i am worried about, keeps going up!

Insulin -Like Growth Factor I 340 High ng/mL 87-238 02

Estradiol, Sensitive 5 pg/mL 3-70 02, crashed again!

[SEOINAGE]

I wonder if you over did the iodine. Your numbers look good, t4 is up a bit from last one. What did your thyroid panel look like before the iodine?

[Vettester]

Wow, at that dosage I would have never in my wildest dreams anticipated your E2 to drop that low. .25mgx2 and it crashed?? Seriously? Guess it goes to show everyone is completely different with how they metabolize.

Also, even though you were due to give blood, I am surprised to see your RBC's elevated like that, being that you donate blood on a regular basis. Donating keeps me down/around 5.4 all the time. Again, just goes to show we are all different.

[kelkel]

Bass. Do you know what your DHT level is? If not, test it next month when you re-do things. High DHT levels can compound the issue by blocking estrogen on about 3 different levels. Regarding your TSH, I'd re-test it in the afternoon and would not base everything on that morning test, due to fluctuations. Read this:

http://thyroid.about.com/od/getteste...a/tshtests.htm

Also this. Very long but interesting, especially at the end:

http://www.jbc.org/content/272/11/6838.full

Seriously everything we manipulate can/will have a domino effect.

[bass]

I wonder if you over did the iodine. Your numbers look good, t4 is up a bit from last one. What did your thyroid panel look like before the iodine?

i may have, i was doing up to 5 drops a day! my previous TSH was always at around 3.5 on scale 0.5 to 4.5

Wow, at that dosage I would have never in my wildest dreams anticipated your E2 to drop that low. .25mgx2 and it crashed?? Seriously? Guess it goes to show everyone is completely different with how they metabolize.

Also, even though you were due to give blood, I am surprised to see your RBC's elevated like that, being that you donate blood on a regular basis. Donating keeps me down/around 5.4 all the time. Again, just goes to show we are all different.

this was based on 0.25 eod nor twice a week, about 0.875 mgs AI ew! still very little.

Bass. Do you know what your DHT level is? If not, test it next month when you re-do things. High DHT levels can compound the issue by blocking estrogen on about 3 different levels. Regarding your TSH, I'd re-test it in the afternoon and would not base everything on that morning test, due to fluctuations. Read this:

http://thyroid.about.com/od/getteste...a/tshtests.htm

Also this. Very long but interesting, especially at the end:

http://www.jbc.org/content/272/11/6838.full

Seriously everything we manipulate can/will have a domino effect.

i will include DHT next time, in fact i can get it tested now. thanks for the links!

[bass]

Vette, can you calculate SHBG from the results above, or do i need prolatin test done?

[bass]

just ordered these tests and will get it done today,

Dihydrotestosterone (DHT)
Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy
Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH) and Free T4
Prolactin

[rfarns01]

You may want to get your estradiol checked again, with a different test, from what I have found on other anti-aging forums the Lapcorp sensitive you used is not a very good test it generally test men in the low range, I just had mine done and it came back at 12 with that test. I guess what I think is called the Roche Method is the more accurate test. From your other post you have had this one before, I think the range is 7 to 42.

So you may not be as low as you think.

[bass]

You may want to get your estradiol checked again, with a different test, from what I have found on other anti-aging forums the Lapcorp sensitive you used is not a very good test it generally test men in the low range, I just had mine done and it came back at 12 with that test. I guess what I think is called the Roche Method is the more accurate test. From your other post you have had this one before, I think the range is 7 to 42.

So you may not be as low as you think.

you know I've heard conflicting arguments about these two tests, but most I've seem is the one you're talking about, range 7-42. my last test without AI show in the upper 90s. in the next test I'll do both just to see what the hell is the difference!

[rfarns01]

I look forward to seeing the dual Estradiol test to see how they compare, keep us posted on that. I myself am struggling to find that sweet spot and just decided to stop the AI altogether for a while.

[Vettester]

Vette, can you calculate SHBG from the results above, or do i need prolatin test done?

bass, your SHBG is at 8 nmol/l. Your free test is sitting at 3.42%. I didn't look back to your OP, but I think this is relatively close to the same results as before. No prolactin score was needed to find this.

Here's the link to the calculator if you or anyone wants to check future labs ... http://www.issam.ch/freetesto.htm

[bass]

bass, your SHBG is at 8 nmol/l. Your free test is sitting at 3.42%. I didn't look back to your OP, but I think this is relatively close to the same results as before. No prolactin score was needed to find this.

Here's the link to the calculator if you or anyone wants to check future labs ... http://www.issam.ch/freetesto.htm

thanks Vette, but the calculator is to find Free and Bioavailable Test, not SHBG!

[bass]

i found this posted on another forum, where this member accidentally ordered two E2 tests, one being Estradiol and the other Estradiol Sensitive. here are his results,

Estradiol, Sensitive 3.0 - 70.0 pg/mL 66
Estradiol 7.6 - 42.6 pg/mL 73.9

one is in range and the other way out of range! it seems the sensitive shows much lower on the scale compared to the standard e2 test, so based on these results i could be at 20 or so with the standard e2 test, which most clinics and doctors use.

[Vettester]

thanks Vette, but the calculator is to find Free and Bioavailable Test, not SHBG!

Enter the values you already have (total test and albumin) and you can manually enter the SHBG score that will equal your free test score. Play with it and you will see what I mean. It's just reverse calculating it.

[bass]

Enter the values you already have (total test and albumin) and you can manually enter the SHBG score that will equal your free test score. Play with it and you will see what I mean. It's just reverse calculating it.

thanks, thats exactly what i did!

[SEOINAGE]

That's weird, on the lab corp one i did I was a 21, and on the 7.6-42.6 i was a 42.2 But my dosage of test was much higher on the second one, and test was taken before inject on weekly injections on sensitive, and second was 2 days after biweekly injection.

So it sounds like the 21 might be closer to 30 and the 42 could be closer to lower 30s, haha interesting, but im guessing best bet is somehow figure which is better and use it every time.

[bass]

very confusing isn't it! so what if i do both tests and the sensitive assay says 30 range 3-70 and the standard e2 says 80 range 7-42. which one should i follow?!

[bass]

my vitamin D is still high despite the reduced dose, was doing 10,000 iu ed then cut back to 10,000 eod and still going up, could high v. D cause the hCG not to be effective on keeping my boys healthy?! additional blood work is included as well,

TSH	3.35		uIU/mL	0.450-4.500
T4, Free (Direct)	1.16		ng/dL	0.82-1. 77
Dihydrotestosterone	39		ng/dL	30-85
Prolactin	7		ng/mL	4.0-15.2
Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy	101	High	ng/mL	30 0-100.0