Another Blood Work for Bass!

**bass** · 07-25-2012, 03:00 PM

guys, i am doing a complete male hormone panel this Friday, the difference in this BW is i am dong two E2 tests, one is the ultra sensitive and the other is regular Estradiol. just want to see how they compare! besides i want to see how my eod test/hCG protocol is holding up, been doing 24 mgs test eod, eod in between 200 iu hCG and 0.25 mg AI e3d. I'll post the results here once i get them.

**steroid.com 1** · 07-25-2012, 03:54 PM

Get those numbers up right quick my friend!

**--->>405<<---** · 07-25-2012, 03:59 PM

will be interested to see there bass. ive been considering subq eod but havent jumped in yet

i also find it very interesting how yall seem to do well on such a low dose AI and i need 2mg per week!

think the E2 sensitive/ reg E2 comparison is a great idea!

good luck bass! i

**Times Roman** · 07-25-2012, 04:14 PM

and if your RBC is too high, maybe we can bleed together over the toilet! =)

**steroid.com 1** · 07-25-2012, 04:15 PM

^^^^Get pics!!! LOL

**Vettester** · 07-25-2012, 05:41 PM

Subscribed!!

**HealthyMan** · 07-25-2012, 07:07 PM

^^^^

**bass** · 07-25-2012, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

and if your RBC is too high, maybe we can bleed together over the toilet! =)

LOL, ill buy the beer!

**bass** · 07-30-2012, 11:40 AM

only posting the stuff that are important and out of range. based on this BW it looks like my E2 is way down even on 0.5 mgs AI per week, also noticed a significant drop in my Test levels, as you all know i bee injecting 24mgs eod, so i will increase my test dose back to 30 mgs eod and hopefully my e2 will come up in good range. i am happy about my liver function despite the once a day ibuprofen and once a day baby aspirin. i hope the two e2 tests can give you some prospective as to how they compare, i don't see much difference! feeling good but not my best. here is my blood work,

CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 4.5 x10E3/uL 4.0-10.5
RBC 5.85 High x10E6/uL 4.14-5.80
Hemoglobin 16.8 g/dL 12.6-17.7
Hematocrit 52.1 High % 37.5-51.0
Platelets 139 Low x10E3/uL 140-415

Glucose, Serum 109 High mg/dL 65-99

Lipid Panel,
Cholesterol, Total 252 High mg/dL 100-199
Triglycerides 95 mg/dL 0-149
HDL Cholesterol 62 mg/dL >39
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 19 mg/dL 5-40
LDL Cholesterol Calc 171 High mg/dL 0-99

Testosterone ,Free and Total
Testosterone, Serum 600 ng/dL 348-1197
Free Testosterone(Direct) 19.0 pg/mL 7.2-24.0

Estradiol
Estradiol 8.5 pg/mL 7.6-42.6
Estradiol, Sensitive 8 pg/mL 3-70

Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 1.0 ng/mL 0.0-4.0 (no change from last test)

Insulin -Like Growth Factor I 352 High ng/mL 87-238

comments welcomed!

**GotNoBlueMilk** · 07-30-2012, 11:54 AM

I didn't want to be the first to post this about my EOD findings, but since Bass has commented I will follow suit.

When I went from 2x/week subq to EOD subq my total T went from 810 to 700. I was doing 40 mg 2x/week, then went to 22 mg EOD (22 times 3.5 = 78 mg). I increased to 26 mg EOD and got my results back to where they were when doing 40 mg 2x/week. I always do my BW at a trough. On 2x/week I inected Sun AM and Wed PM. BW was drawn Wed AM. When doing EOD, I did BW on the day I was going to inject my T in the evening, and BW was pulled in the AM.

Seems strange, but doing EOD may require a slightly higher amount of Test to keep blood levels where you want them. My E2 levels have been great though. Even now with my Total T back in the low 800's and doing EOD, I don't have to take any AI. I had to take 0.3 mg of AI 2x/week when doing 40 mg of T 2x/week. Obviously, I have less T spikes when doing EOD.

FYI, I am doing 100 IU of HCG EOD too, and still no E2 issues.

**xcraider37** · 07-30-2012, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by bass

only posting the stuff that are important and out of range. based on this BW it looks like my E2 is way down even on 0.5 mgs AI per week, also noticed a significant drop in my Test levels, as you all know i bee injecting 24mgs eod, so i will increase my test dose back to 30 mgs eod and hopefully my e2 will come up in good range. i am happy about my liver function despite the once a day ibuprofen and once a day baby aspirin. i hope the two e2 tests can give you some prospective as to how they compare, i don't see much difference! feeling good but not my best. here is my blood work,

CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 4.5 x10E3/uL 4.0-10.5
RBC 5.85 High x10E6/uL 4.14-5.80
Hemoglobin 16.8 g/dL 12.6-17.7
Hematocrit 52.1 High % 37.5-51.0
Platelets 139 Low x10E3/uL 140-415

Glucose, Serum 109 High mg/dL 65-99

Lipid Panel,
Cholesterol, Total 252 High mg/dL 100-199
Triglycerides 95 mg/dL 0-149
HDL Cholesterol 62 mg/dL >39
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 19 mg/dL 5-40
LDL Cholesterol Calc 171 High mg/dL 0-99

Testosterone ,Free and Total
Testosterone, Serum 600 ng/dL 348-1197
Free Testosterone(Direct) 19.0 pg/mL 7.2-24.0

Estradiol
Estradiol 8.5 pg/mL 7.6-42.6
Estradiol, Sensitive 8 pg/mL 3-70

Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 1.0 ng/mL 0.0-4.0 (no change from last test)

Insulin -Like Growth Factor I 352 High ng/mL 87-238

comments welcomed!

Good to see you did both e2 test together. Have you noticed ED issues or poor libido with levels that low. Any idea where your SHBG is?

**bass** · 07-30-2012, 03:04 PM

no issue with ED, libido still okay, not as aggressive as when i was on 200 mgs per week, but good enough. my SHBG is probably below normal by now, always been in the tank.

**bass** · 07-30-2012, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

I didn't want to be the first to post this about my EOD findings, but since Bass has commented I will follow suit.

When I went from 2x/week subq to EOD subq my total T went from 810 to 700. I was doing 40 mg 2x/week, then went to 22 mg EOD (22 times 3.5 = 78 mg). I increased to 26 mg EOD and got my results back to where they were when doing 40 mg 2x/week. I always do my BW at a trough. On 2x/week I inected Sun AM and Wed PM. BW was drawn Wed AM. When doing EOD, I did BW on the day I was going to inject my T in the evening, and BW was pulled in the AM.

Seems strange, but doing EOD may require a slightly higher amount of Test to keep blood levels where you want them. My E2 levels have been great though. Even now with my Total T back in the low 800's and doing EOD, I don't have to take any AI. I had to take 0.3 mg of AI 2x/week when doing 40 mg of T 2x/week. Obviously, I have less T spikes when doing EOD.

FYI, I am doing 100 IU of HCG EOD too, and still no E2 issues.

exactly why i went eod is to control E2 better, and it seems to be working. not only that but also able to control hemoglobin better, but made no difference in RBC level. next time I'll be donating double reds.

**zaggahamma** · 07-30-2012, 03:32 PM

super igf batman...those are nice...always been higher?

glucose, fasting 109? whats the plan there amigo? no worries?

also glad you did both e2 tests...imo...looks unnecessary to do so actually..might save me a penny when i get checked

good thread...real precise

**Times Roman** · 07-30-2012, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by bass

LOL, ill buy the beer!

I cheated and donated at a local b bank.

**kelkel** · 07-30-2012, 04:10 PM

I don't know Bass. Other than the E2 do you think the EOD protocol is really worth it?

**bass** · 07-30-2012, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

super igf batman...those are nice...always been higher?

glucose, fasting 109? whats the plan there amigo? no worries?

also glad you did both e2 tests...imo...looks unnecessary to do so actually..might save me a penny when i get checked

good thread...real precise

no worries bro, been eating tons of organic fruits, just need to cut back. i did both e2 tests just to see what the difference is between the two. igf wasn't that high prior to TRT, i think it was mid range!

Originally Posted by Times Roman

I cheated and donated at a local b bank.

did you really?!

Originally Posted by kelkel

I don't know Bass. Other than the E2 do you think the EOD protocol is really worth it?

probably not Kel, but it seems to control e2 better, i might go back to twice a week once it gets old pining eod!

this thread was mostly for education purposes, just wanted to see how levels get effected with different protocols.

**Times Roman** · 07-30-2012, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by bass

did you really?!

yes. not too happy about it either. oh well

**bass** · 07-30-2012, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

yes. not too happy about it either. oh well

Believe me bro, they will test it for everything, if it's good they'll use it and if it's bad they'll get rid of it. no harm done.

**Viking13** · 07-30-2012, 08:42 PM

Add 1000-2000mg per day of cinnamon to help with your glucose levels. It does make a difference and will help.

**bass** · 07-30-2012, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Viking13

Add 1000-2000mg per day of cinnamon to help with your glucose levels. It does make a difference and will help.

thanks for the tip Viking, funny thing is yesterday my sister recommended cinnamon, she takes it to control her sugar.

**Vettester** · 07-30-2012, 10:31 PM

Bass, thanks for posting. As you know, Total Chol and LDL is probably getting a few looks from your doctor. For me, some of that's just genetic, and follows suit with my iron and high ferritin.

Leaning with what Kelkel stated on the eod protocol. I'm still shocked that your E2 had dropped so low to begin with, but I'd be doing all that I can to get it back in the 20's or 30's on the sensitive assay. Going 2x or even 1x week would be IMO beneficial.

**APIs** · 07-31-2012, 09:59 AM

Wow Bass, you're a pretty fit looking guy for those Total Chol and LDL figures. Are you genetically predisposed to this? Or was it a result of your diet recently you think? Based on this data, are still going to continue with Subq?

**bass** · 07-31-2012, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Vettester

Bass, thanks for posting. As you know, Total Chol and LDL is probably getting a few looks from your doctor. For me, some of that's just genetic, and follows suit with my iron and high ferritin.

Leaning with what Kelkel stated on the eod protocol. I'm still shocked that your E2 had dropped so low to begin with, but I'd be doing all that I can to get it back in the 20's or 30's on the sensitive assay. Going 2x or even 1x week would be IMO beneficial.

Vette, i am not worried about my cholesterol, i always look at the ration which is more important, unfortunately the slightly elevated cholesterol runs in my family, but no one died from heart disease. been thinking about doing twice a week protocol and increase the doe a little.

Originally Posted by APIs

Wow Bass, you're a pretty fit looking guy for those Total Chol and LDL figures. Are you genetically predisposed to this? Or was it a result of your diet recently you think? Based on this data, are still going to continue with Subq?

API, not as fit as i like to be, still carry allot of fat around mid section. my Triglycerides are very low, i believe high Triglycerides are probably more harmful than total cholesterols. been eating lots of whole eggs and other cholesterol rich foods like red meat, i will cut back on red meat to lower the total. again the ratio is what really matters.