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08-22-2012, 10:27 AM #1
Just started TRT and wondering about doses.
Doctor currently has me on 1 cc once a week at 200mg/ml Cyp . it raised me from 302 to about 640. i am basically planning on cruising and blasting later this year. To my understanding 640 is still in the middle range for a 30 y/o. so even with the 200mg Cyp i am just at "normal" male levels. When i go for a 10 week increase i was going to up it to either 400 or 500mg per week. and i wouldsplit that into 2 shots unlike the once a week i have going now. I have about 4 cycles done in the past. last one about 2 years ago. I am 5'11" at about 160. I lost about 40 pounds due to an injury that led to a painkiller problem. All thats cleared up now... Ok now for the questions. If my gains are for mass and strength alone do you think 500mgs a week will raise my test levels to an appropriate level if 200 only brought it up to 640? What else would you guys recommend to add? in the past i used dbol but cant really find that of late. My diet is pretty solid, about 4000 cals min per day, at least 250g protein, carbs i dont count nor fat but i naturally eat pretty lean and carb heavy.
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08-22-2012, 10:38 AM #2
hey I'm in a similar situation as I want to blast eventually and unsure if 500 mg is the right number, at this point I will probably just do it and see, but really was thinking I should do 600 instead of 500, but really no reason to rush into a larger dose than what is necessary. Question for you though, when was blood drawn in relation to your shots, and how long where you on the shots prior to blood test? If its day of shot before shot, that really isn't bad at all, and you could probably split it in two doses, and it will level out your peaks and troughs, not getting as high or as low. But if you haven't been on them very long they could be even higher in a few more weeks.
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08-22-2012, 11:07 AM #3Associate Member
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500 is fine. Treat your cycling experience as a fresh one since 2 years is plenty of time off and you don't have the muscle mass at your weight to really require anything higher right now.
It might not get you as high as some others....but it will be above the range and you will see gains(good gains) if diet/training is right. Also like above, depending on when bloodwork was done compared to your last shot, that could be pretty good levels.
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08-22-2012, 11:11 AM #4HRT
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OP - This post would better serve you on the AAS board.
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08-22-2012, 12:09 PM #5
i am going to just stay on the trt for the time being, I am trying to get him to prescribe me higher then 200mg per week/ and split it up. i always try to speed things up when i start back from an injury, time will tell,
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This really has nothing to do with HRT other than the fact you got a prescription...
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08-22-2012, 12:58 PM #7
Sorry, should have asked if there is a point at this time of increaseing past what the doc is giving is all. move it if you want admin, didnt mean to mispost
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08-22-2012, 01:14 PM #8
can you answer when the test was taken in relation to your shot and how long you have been on injections? That would help us answer that for you.
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08-22-2012, 01:26 PM #9HRT
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08-22-2012, 01:30 PM #10HRT
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If you increase dosage rates greater then what the Physician prescribed you will need to replenish inventory sooner then his expectations...assuming he's attentive to these things...so that could/will send a red flag.
You can do short blasts on a TRT protocol; it's not unheard of around these parts but just know that the situation above is very likely and you will need to time your BW so he doesn't see the abuse among other things that blasting can do to your sex hormone pathway.
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08-22-2012, 01:42 PM #11
I'm on a 1xweek shot of 250mg Test Enanthate for TRT... I never did a steroid cycle in my life but seeing the amount of
muscle(20+- pounds) i have put on with just with my TRT dosage I wouldn't even entertain blasting..
In fact I think I'm still adding on muscle with my increased Test levels.
The better my diet gets the more gains i keep getting too.. it's like body absorbs nutrients totally different
then it did pre TRT.Last edited by TraceMYD; 08-22-2012 at 01:45 PM.
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08-22-2012, 03:55 PM #12Associate Member
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Trace, how long have you been on TRT to see those gains?
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08-22-2012, 04:21 PM #13
Since Feb 2012
I'm 35 y/o 5'7 200 lbs
Not sure what my bodyfat is but i have visible abs.
I also do crossfit 4-5 times a week.
Funny thing is.. my friends that i run into that haven't seen me since before I started TRT
thinks i'm on steroids because of my gains lol
I just tell them i'm on TRT and they look confused for a second and say "ohh ok"
I'm pretty sure they have no clue to what i'm talking about..but they just go along with it...Last edited by TraceMYD; 08-22-2012 at 04:26 PM.
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08-22-2012, 05:03 PM #14Associate Member
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Trace,
That's awesome. I've only been on 100mg of cyp/week for 2 weeks and I'm getting really impatient because I'm still not feeling better. I'd love to have 20lbs of muscle packed on in 6 months though! Gives me hope.
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08-23-2012, 08:00 AM #15Originally Posted by juice2012
Too much too fast will make it hard to control the sides effects. I had bloating, acne on my back and shoulders, and higher estrogen along the way but 3 months into it everything started normalizing and now I'm feeling great! Well worth the adjustment phase.
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08-23-2012, 01:13 PM #16Associate Member
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Trace I thought ethanate was once every 3 weeks?, just asking as Im using ethanate at the moment.
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08-23-2012, 01:42 PM #17Originally Posted by edmundo22
Now the lads across the pond have nebido which is test undecoanate which after the loading phase I believe only has to be injected aline every 6 weeks or so. It may be longer than that. Haven't done much looking into that one as it's not available here in the states.
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08-23-2012, 02:27 PM #18HRT
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Same with me as well LOL!
I don't even recognize myself but I lift 4 days a week and train hard so the results are impressive.
Just had BW done and my Doc who is a highly trained TRT practitioner said I look damn near perfect!
Got to love this lifestyle...look fantastic, feel great and live a long time...priceless
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08-23-2012, 11:49 PM #19
From what I read, there is really no difference between cypionate and ethanate.
like Dpyle stated they are both 5-7 day half life.
My Doc told me that his patients experience less sides from ethanate ... it is slightly more expensive then the cypionate at the pharmacy.
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08-23-2012, 11:51 PM #20
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