3J's, Got my bloodwork back where to go from here?

[AXx]

This was done by LabCorp if that helps any. Also I need to add reference intervals I will. I dont know what this looks like.


• Total Testosterone ---Testosterone Serum? --471ng/dl range 348-1197

*T4---8.9ug/dl range 4.5-12.0

*T3---30%-- range 24-39

*Dihydrotestosterone---46ng/dL this reference range is blank on sheet

• Bioavailable Testosterone---Mine says "free and weakly bound"-- 29.5% range 9.0-46.0

• Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)--138.9ng/dl range 40.0-250.0

• SHBG---25.1nmol/L rnge 16.5-55.9

• DHT (perhaps) *Gel user especially pay attention to this.

• Estradiol---16.4pg/ml range 7.6-42.6 It says Roche ECLIA methodology

• LH---4.0 mIU/mL range 1.7-8.6

• FSH---2.8 mIU/mL range 1.5-12.4

• Prolactin---9.9 ng/mL range 4.0-15.2

• Cortisol---18.4ug/dL range 2.3-19.4 this is the AM level and blood was in AM

• Thyroid Panel---

• CBC---
RBC's 5.07 everything else was within normal limits, if I need to add to this I can

• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel--
Bun/Creatine Ratio--- 20

• Lipid Profile-
Total Chol--200
HDL--46
LDL--136

• PSA (age dependent)--n/a

• IGF -1---339ng/mL range 117-329

* IGFBP-3---6.3mg/L range 3.5-7.6

* Vitamin D, 25 Hydroxy---28.0ng/mL range 30.0-100.0


Hope I did this right, if I need to do anything else just let me know.

[steroid.com 1]

Edit your post and add the reference ranges to each assay.

[AXx]

Edit your post and add the reference ranges to each assay.

On it

[AXx]

Done, I knew I would need to do that and I even said it in the first post, Im an idiot. Thank G

[bass]

what are your stats? age, weight, height, BF%!

FH and FSH stands out, low!

Cortisol, don't know much about but GD and others will chime in.

IGF1, above normal, odd!

are you on any kind of medication, supplements, any AAS history?

[AXx]

what are your stats? age, weight, height, BF%!

FH and FSH stands out, low!

Cortisol, don't know much about but GD and others will chime in.

IGF1, above normal, odd!

are you on any kind of medication, supplements, any AAS history?

30
6'0
212
15%bf or so I hadn't done it lately.

No meds, I take a multi-vit, Ibuprofen 800 occasionally.

From 18-23 I took more andro than I could count. In that time is also took dbol and whinny tabs. 2008 I cycled 12 weeks of cyp.

[bass]

thanks for the info 3J! did you do PCT after cycling? if not it could explain the LH and FSH! your T levels are not terribly low, but for your age they are low. of course you will need to see a doc but before jumping on TRT I'd consider hCG and Clomid therapy to see if you can recover some. other issues could be causing your low T is thyroid, may need to do more testing for thyroid. and perhaps an MRI for pituitary gland to rule out any tumors!

[AXx]

thanks for the info 3J! did you do PCT after cycling? if not it could explain the LH and FSH! your T levels are not terribly low, but for your age they are low. of course you will need to see a doc but before jumping on TRT I'd consider hCG and Clomid therapy to see if you can recover some. other issues could be causing your low T is thyroid, may need to do more testing for thyroid. and perhaps an MRI for pituitary gland to rule out any tumors!

No I didnt know what the hell I was doing.

I didnt even see my thyroid on here, what would it be under. Thyroid?

[bass]

Free thyroxine index (FTI); T3 uptake (THBR); thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH); thyroxine (T4); tri-iodothyronine (T3). you already done T3 and T4 which they look good, but need to know TSH to see a better picture of how your thyroid is functioning.

okay then, no PCT! so basically you did screw up your natural production. it maybe worth it to try hCG and Clomid therapy, other wise you're looking at TRT for life.

[AXx]

Free thyroxine index (FTI); T3 uptake (THBR); thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH); thyroxine (T4); tri-iodothyronine (T3). you already done T3 and T4 which they look good, but need to know TSH to see a better picture of how your thyroid is functioning.

okay then, no PCT! so basically you did screw up your natural production. it maybe worth it to try hCG and Clomid therapy, other wise you're looking at TRT for life.

So I need do do this??

Also I have those figures for you.

FTI---2.7 range 1.2-4.9

TSH---0.886uIU/mL range 0.450-4.500

[bass]

these number look good actually! as for doing what you need, i was simply suggesting that you talk to your doc regarding hCG /Clomid therapy. what these drugs do is kick start your natural production, its worth a try first than just jump into TRT. TRT is for life, once you start there is no going back.

[AXx]

these number look good actually! as for doing what you need, i was simply suggesting that you talk to your doc regarding hCG/Clomid therapy. what these drugs do is kick start your natural production, its worth a try first than just jump into TRT. TRT is for life, once you start there is no going back.

Roger that sir. Thanks a ton.

[AXx]

Bass I think I may know the answers to these questions but I'm going to ask anyway. If you dot mind answering.

What do you consider normal for a guy my age?

Also Would a future cycle DONE PROPERLY effect these numbers?

[bass]

I'd say about 700 +

if by cycling you mean blasting then yes, you can blast every once in awhile and not worry about crashing, simply go back to your trt protocol. and yes your numbers will go up while blasting.

[AXx]

I'd say about 700 +

if by cycling you mean blasting then yes, you can blast every once in awhile and not worry about crashing, simply go back to your trt protocol. and yes your numbers will go up while blasting.

Bass you've been a great help. Thank you.

[kelkel]

Agree with Bass. You are low but exactly why is the question. Without a track history of LH/FSH it's hard to tell if an MRI is warranted, unless you have a record of BW showing a downward progression. If so, go for it. Good to rule it in or out.

Vid D is low. Begin supplementing with D3 immediately as it will raise your Free T level.
Prolactin is mid-range but I prefer slightly lower.
Cortisol is a stress hormone. High cortisol = lower T levels and most people, docs included, don't relate the two. It can almost shut down your T production.
I'm jealous of your IGF-1 level.

kel

Read this: http://www.ehow.com/about_5162836_ef...tosterone.html

[AXx]

Both of you guys have said that IGF-1 was high, good right??

Is there anyway I can take advantage of this. I really don't know what I'm asking here. Or is this just genetic stuff.

[kelkel]

It basically means you're not a candidate for growth hormone . No issue there. Your lucky.

[AXx]

It basically means you're not a candidate for growth hormone. No issue there. Your lucky.

I asked doc about HCG and clomid she said nah!!

She wants to start off at 100mg a week first month 50mg twice a week, then 200 every 14 days after check levels again in 3 months.

What you guys recommendations on that.

[kelkel]

I would not start it at all just yet. Speak to her about cortisol, re-test, etc. See if you can get back to good levels once you get your cortisol down. Avoid TRT as long as possible. Read that link on cortisol and it's debilitating effects on your endogenous T production.

If you do choose TRT the 50 twice per week is the ticket. I myself go every 3.5 days as do several others here. Defenitely the way to go IMO. Do not accept 200 every 14 days as your doc does not understand the half-life of test which is basically around 7 days.

I still stand by lowering your cortisol level and adding D for a period of time and then re-evaluating the need for TRT.

[AXx]

I did read it. That's a good read. From my studies also, lower cortisol levels also will lower body fat.

Ok I will check with her on this. Hadn't really ever studied anything about lowering cortisol. I will research and also get her to as well.

[bass]

I would not start it at all just yet. Speak to her about cortisol, re-test, etc. See if you can get back to good levels once you get your cortisol down. Avoid TRT as long as possible. Read that link on cortisol and it's debilitating effects on your endogenous T production.

If you do choose TRT the 50 twice per week is the ticket. I myself go every 3.5 days as do several others here. Defenitely the way to go IMO. Do not accept 200 every 14 days as your doc does not understand the half-life of test which is basically around 7 days.

I still stand by lowering your cortisol level and adding D for a period of time and then re-evaluating the need for TRT.

great post Kel, this reminds me to check my cortisol!